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[Bloggers99]

Blizzard makes RPG's?

[Tarek]

I would sleep with Blizzard AND Bioware at the same time, I would even invite Bethesda to the orgy.

but for me Blizzard, Bioware, and Bethesda have a big part in my game heart

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Escapist? The thing that rated DA2 at 5/5??? Lol.

Still, something tells me Blizzard's always got a card to play.

It's funny how you have never played DA2.

[Bloggers99]

Thing is, most people have packed only enough brains to squeeze into that bandwagon, even though it's bursting at the seams already.

[Torhagen]

Blizzard worked on a fps back in the day they scrapped it however because it didnt meet Q&A Standards and then there is Me2.

The second DA game is like Diablo with a Story

[TUHD]

Vote this round: Bioware (and then Valve)
Vote in the final if it is BW vs Valve: Valve, at least they kept the games they made so far in quality very good while going multiplatform... which I can't say of BW with DA2 as the latest... (also, Valve's game creator is way easier)

[Whatever42]

As someone who played wow for 5 years, I don't think Blizzard's quality was all that awesome. The class balance in original wow was amazingly bad. Every new instance was bugged to hell and they used the top guilds for months of testing in the live environment. Their loot system was laughable. The original PvP systems they put into operation were almost criminal. And there were lots of bugs. Not that they didn't set the standard for MMOs for a generation, but highest possible quality? Meh.

And after 10 years, they finally come out with SC2. Which is a great game and well-balanced but 10 years? Sorry, I'd rather have a new Bioware game every 2 years with some bugs than every 10 years.

In the last 10 years, Blizzard has gotten far more of my money than either Bioware or Bethesda. I'm not a disgruntled fanboy. But lets not pretend Blizzard is all awesome while everyone else sucks.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 29 mars 2011 - 11:40 .

[Akaranz]

wow what a tough choice to make... I like Bioware and Blizzard both sooo much

[LTD]

Synobal wrote...

One produces strategy games, Dungeon crawlers, and MMOs the other makes immersion single player RPGs comparing or trying to decide what the better developer is, is an exercise in futility.

Other has ridiculously clean and impressive track record, while other releases plenty of grand games, occasional DA II  and heaploads of terrible DLC. It doesn't take a swarm of  wowjunkies for Bliz to take this one home..it takes but an objective opinion.

Modifié par LTD, 29 mars 2011 - 11:51 .

[Drake_Hound]

LTD wrote...

Synobal wrote...

One produces strategy games, Dungeon crawlers, and MMOs the other makes immersion single player RPGs comparing or trying to decide what the better developer is, is an exercise in futility.

Other has ridiculously clean and impressive track record, while other releases plenty of grand games, occasional DA II  and heaploads of terrible DLC. It doesn't take a swarm of  wowjunkies for Bliz to take this one home..it takes but an objective opinion.

Eh i don´t find cataclysme very clean , and SC2 divided into 3 parts that cost 150 to be forced to pay for multiplayer.
To be very clean either ...
But yes one can stare blindly at DLC and mention DA2 . but we all wear our tainted glasses .
So much for objective opnion .

[Spectro87]

Blizzard gets my vote after DAII and ME2. If the year was 2009, BioWare would be the no-brainer choice.

[SalsaDMA]

Drake_Hound wrote...

LTD wrote...

Synobal wrote...

One produces strategy games, Dungeon crawlers, and MMOs the other makes immersion single player RPGs comparing or trying to decide what the better developer is, is an exercise in futility.

Other has ridiculously clean and impressive track record, while other releases plenty of grand games, occasional DA II  and heaploads of terrible DLC. It doesn't take a swarm of  wowjunkies for Bliz to take this one home..it takes but an objective opinion.

Eh i don´t find cataclysme very clean , and SC2 divided into 3 parts that cost 150 to be forced to pay for multiplayer.
To be very clean either ...
But yes one can stare blindly at DLC and mention DA2 . but we all wear our tainted glasses .
So much for objective opnion .

I can only agree. WoW is anything BUT 'clean and impressive'.

Sure, EA has dug its claws into Bioware, but the effect of Activision clawing into Blizzard is rather obvious as well, with an even more detrimental effect to boot, I'd say.

[Whatever42]

LTD wrote...

Synobal wrote...

One produces strategy games, Dungeon crawlers, and MMOs the other makes immersion single player RPGs comparing or trying to decide what the better developer is, is an exercise in futility.

Other has ridiculously clean and impressive track record, while other releases plenty of grand games, occasional DA II  and heaploads of terrible DLC. It doesn't take a swarm of  wowjunkies for Bliz to take this one home..it takes but an objective opinion.

You do realize how ridiculously buggy wow was, right? And they could only improve class balance by homogenizing the classes and abilities?

Believe it or not, there are far, far more wow haters than DA2/ME2 haters. The rage and vitriol on this board doesn't hold a candle to the rage that has faced Blizzard for a decade.

[oldag07]

None of the above. The best developer made "Galaxy of Fantasy"!

[LTD]

I doubt anyone here has claimed WoW has achieved some sort of a demi-god like status of perfect bug free game. Bugs and various imbalances are more or less inevitable in any and every game ambitious and vast enough. Even more so when we speak of MMORPGs.  However, to claim WoW was somehow " ridiculously buggy" or vastly unbalanced simply isn't accurate.

The game is 6 years old and still has 10 million++ paying subscribers. No other western subscription based MMO musters up numbers even remotely comparable. Each expansion has been quite well loved among critics and fans both. If this doesn't account for " clean track record" as far as Wow is considered, what the fek does?

Modifié par LTD, 29 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[Bloggers99]

Loved by fans is a very broad double edged sword. You'd think Mass Effect 2 was one of the worst games ever considering half of the activity around here. I know plenty of people that bailed on WoW shortly after Lich King and even more after Cataclysm.

Also, a new mmo doesn't account for there only being 1 class worth choosing for almost the first full year of a game's existence.

[LTD]

Bloggers99 wrote...

Loved by fans is a very broad double edged sword. You'd think Mass Effect 2 was one of the worst games ever considering half of the activity around here. I know plenty of people that bailed on WoW shortly after Lich King and even more after Cataclysm.

Also, a new mmo doesn't account for there only being 1 class worth choosing for almost the first full year of a game's existence.

Yas, two edges. One features generic net drivel by people bored of the game, other features 10 million++ paying customers. Which edge you recon is relevant when it is time to do some serious hack and slashing?

Modifié par LTD, 29 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[LTD]

Doublepost

Modifié par LTD, 29 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[theriddlen]

My vote went to BioWare - i never found any of Blizzard games interesting, they just bored the sh** out of me. And Mass Effect (not to confuse with Dragon Age, which sucks!) is the first/second best game in the world for me (i'm still undecided whether first place goes to HL2+episodes or ME2).

BUT i will vote for Valve in the finals, they are much better and d***head-free.

Modifié par theriddlen, 29 mars 2011 - 01:30 .

[Gravbh]

I still have my original warcraft 1 floppy disks. I've had a blizzard game installed on my pc at any given time since 1996.

I voted for bioware. Blizzard now has an MMO(which I couldn't care less about) and another recent release which is just a clone of a 10 year old game,which I stopped playing hardcore about 8 years ago. The Starcraft 1 cut-and-paste that they call SC2 has killed my hopes for Diablo 3 as well.

Whoever moves on I'm voting for valve in the next bracket.

Modifié par Gravbh, 29 mars 2011 - 01:46 .

[Speakeasy13]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
You do realize how ridiculously buggy wow was, right? And they could only improve class balance by homogenizing the classes and abilities?

Believe it or not, there are far, far more wow haters than DA2/ME2 haters. The rage and vitriol on this board doesn't hold a candle to the rage that has faced Blizzard for a decade.

There are also a LOT more WoW players than DA2/ME2 players. I don't think WoW is a bug-free game, but anyone who had submitted a ticket for bugs and gotten a reply then a hotfix that came with the next patch would be impressed by Blizzard's commitment to quality. That is more than I can say for most Bioware game really:/

[marshalleck]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
You do realize how ridiculously buggy wow was, right? And they could only improve class balance by homogenizing the classes and abilities?

Believe it or not, there are far, far more wow haters than DA2/ME2 haters. The rage and vitriol on this board doesn't hold a candle to the rage that has faced Blizzard for a decade.

There are also a LOT more WoW players than DA2/ME2 players. I don't think WoW is a bug-free game, but anyone who had submitted a ticket for bugs and gotten a reply then a hotfix that came with the next patch would be impressed by Blizzard's commitment to quality. That is more than I can say for most Bioware game really:/

Seriously. A bug that strips your character of all its equipment and deletes it permanently from the game would not be tolerated in WoW--say what you will about the game or the developers, a bug that catastrophic would be prioritized and your character would be restored by a GM. It might even result in them taking down the servers for a hotfix. 

Bioware's response to the same bug in Awakening? Put a note about it in the bottom of a readme file of the PC installation, and leave it at that. WTF?

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 mars 2011 - 03:59 .

[spernus]

As someone who is super perfectionist, I'm gonna side with Blizzard 10 time out of 9 over Bioware. Far superior quality control, polish and gameplay expertize. As some have already said, no way would Blizzard release an expansion like Awakening or a game in a sad state like Dragon age 2 or create the horrendous item inventory of the first Mass effect. Blizzard is superior in every way except writing which is not respected within the gaming industry ( just ask Obsidian or ex Blackisle staff members).

[Uszi]

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Escapist? The thing that rated DA2 at 5/5??? Lol.

Still, something tells me Blizzard's always got a card to play.

It's funny how you have never played DA2.

^^^^
Phaedon and Zulu are my two favorite forum members for this reason.




My Escapist bracket got totally ****ed my Mojang.  I had Epic games taking them out way back when, and the final 4 being Epic vs Valve and Bioware vs Blizzard.

... I have Blizzard winning, so I'm voting for them.  :innocent:

I like Bioware games and all, but I grew up playing Blizzard games.  Diablo and SC game out right when my parents let me start playing M rated games, and Diablo/Starcraft/Warcraft are the bread and butter of my gaming repertoire.


But Bioware is owning right now, so rejoice.

[Whatever42]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
You do realize how ridiculously buggy wow was, right? And they could only improve class balance by homogenizing the classes and abilities?

Believe it or not, there are far, far more wow haters than DA2/ME2 haters. The rage and vitriol on this board doesn't hold a candle to the rage that has faced Blizzard for a decade.

There are also a LOT more WoW players than DA2/ME2 players. I don't think WoW is a bug-free game, but anyone who had submitted a ticket for bugs and gotten a reply then a hotfix that came with the next patch would be impressed by Blizzard's commitment to quality. That is more than I can say for most Bioware game really:/

Oh, I know there are are lot more WoW players. That's why there's a lot more vitriol on their forums generally. I haven't seen Bioware developers yet threatened personally by enraged players. But that's understandable, people are a lot more invested in MMOs. I'm not bashing Blizzard, just commenting on their community. I hope Bioware is prepared when they release SWTOR.


But I have repeatedly seen people report bugs on the PTR and then create massive threads about it only to have the bugs released anyway. Sure, they get hotfixed within a day or two because the game is largely unplayable for several thousand players. But again, that's understandable. Blizzard doesn't trust their overly rabid community any further than they can throw them. I think the Blizzard learned that the last place you get reliable feedback is from your forums.

I agree that Blizzard generally produces higher quality games than Bioware but they are far from perferct. And considering they only release games every 6 years, I would hope their quality is high. Personally, I would rather get a good quality game every 2 years than a great quality game every 6 years. But maybe that's just me.

And yes, Blizzard's customer service is absolutely top notch. I have had nothing but great experiences with them.