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[PsychoWARD23]

 Oh, I don't know, every mage didn't turn to Blood Magic or bombed the Chantry full of innocents.

[Lord Gremlin]

Pride demons are starving. You cruel person, let the mages do what they made for: create food and shelter for demons.

[syllogi]

I agree; other than Bethany and possibly Hawke, there was not a single uncorrupted mage in Kirkwall, while on the templars side, a few seemed reasonable and sane. It was awfully heavy handed and crude, how mages were portrayed, especially Orsino's Stupid Evil twist.

[MacNille]

TeenZombie wrote...

I agree; other than Bethany and possibly Hawke, there was not a single uncorrupted mage in Kirkwall, while on the templars side, a few seemed reasonable and sane. It was awfully heavy handed and crude, how mages were portrayed, especially Orsino's Stupid Evil twist.

What about the dude who wants to lose his virgien?

[PsychoWARD23]

TeenZombie wrote...

I agree; other than Bethany and possibly Hawke, there was not a single uncorrupted mage in Kirkwall, while on the templars side, a few seemed reasonable and sane. It was awfully heavy handed and crude, how mages were portrayed, especially Orsino's Stupid Evil twist.

I don't know, Orsino is talking about how mages aren't all bad, then BAM! However, it does make sense since he saw tons of innocent mages lying dead on the floor.

[Thrennion]

What about the dude who wants to lose his virgien?

He was possessed by a demon of Truly Awful Hair.

Modifié par Thrennion, 28 mars 2011 - 09:34 .

[Lianaar]

Since I started to pay attention to my opponent's actual name, I realised that most of my opponents are not blood mages and abominations. More then half of the mages I put down are actually either circle mages or just simple apostates. However they are not something unexpected, so I didn't pay attention to them. Once I started counting, they became evident.

[CrAzInAtOr]

Screw the mages and the templars, I say the Hero of Fereldan and Hawke (and their companions) team up and rip the hell out of both of them.

[sylvanaerie]

Thrennion wrote...

What about the dude who wants to lose his virgien?

He was possessed by a demon of Truly Awful Hair.

Even funnier, let him do his thang that night and go back to the parents house the next day and you get to overhear a very amusing conversation.

[Aurawolf]

I forgot from Dragon Age Origins when mages are in trouble they instantly turn to blood magic or become abominations to get out of it. Towards the end of the game it just becomes silly, I understand they are desperate but if the Circle did it's damn job how do all these mages even know blood magic?! I wonder if on the Kirkwall side of the fade if there is a line of demons waiting for the next dumb mage in trouble to freely jump into? Meanwhile in Fereldin the mage circle has no idea what happened to all of the demons and proclaims the fade demon free.

[Camenae]

Thrennion wrote...

What about the dude who wants to lose his virgien?

He was possessed by a demon of Truly Awful Hair.

That barmaid was actually pretty.  How much money did that dude's mother give him?  Must've been a lot!

I refused to let him have his night and took him in right away.  No girl deserves that.

[sylvanaerie]

Aurawolf wrote...

I forgot from Dragon Age Origins when mages are in trouble they instantly turn to blood magic or become abominations to get out of it. Towards the end of the game it just becomes silly, I understand they are desperate but if the Circle did it's damn job how do all these mages even know blood magic?! I wonder if on the Kirkwall side of the fade if there is a line of demons waiting for the next dumb mage in trouble to freely jump into? Meanwhile in Fereldin the mage circle has no idea what happened to all of the demons and proclaims the fade demon free.

LOL Just had an image of a giant waiting room holding all manner of demons and a little marquee with a number posted, some bored looking civil servants and some demoness with horn rimmed glasses pulling up a mage/body and calling out "now serving number 1023"

[LobselVith8]

Out of hundreds, or possibly thousands, of mages in the Kirkwall Circle, we meet only a handful. I don't think it's fair to judge all mages based on encountering only a fraction of them. That being said, I let the poor Orlesian mage go off to freedom. Bad hair or not, trying to get laid isn't a crime.

[SexBomb]

CrAzInAtOr wrote...

Screw the mages and the templars, I say the Hero of Fereldan and Hawke (and their companions) team up and rip the hell out of both of them.

I really wish we had a third option to just bash their heads together and walk away.

[TJPags]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Out of hundreds, or possibly thousands, of mages in the Kirkwall Circle, we meet only a handful. I don't think it's fair to judge all mages based on encountering only a fraction of them. That being said, I let the poor Orlesian mage go off to freedom. Bad hair or not, trying to get laid isn't a crime.

I judge them on the ones I met.

137 mages met . . . 134 blood mages or abominations . . . 1 gawky kid with bad hair . . .2 normal mages.

[axl99]

Apparently there were codex entries about how the Veil in Kirkwall was very thin because the Tevinter Magisters practiced blood magic in the Gallows. And since the Templars stuck the Mages in the Gallows, they were actually putting their charges in danger of being possessed by spirits/demons. Meh.

I actually wanted to stab that hypocrite Orsino for his complicity in letting Quentin carry on his murder spree that killed Hawke's mother. And Anders? Man he just had to have the most abominable timing. I liked him better when he was still helping mages escape to the Free Marches. At least he was helping his cause.

Don't get me started on Meredith. I will throw kittens out the window.

Modifié par axl99, 29 mars 2011 - 03:51 .

[Aurawolf]

TJPags wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Out of hundreds, or possibly thousands, of mages in the Kirkwall Circle, we meet only a handful. I don't think it's fair to judge all mages based on encountering only a fraction of them. That being said, I let the poor Orlesian mage go off to freedom. Bad hair or not, trying to get laid isn't a crime.

I judge them on the ones I met.

137 mages met . . . 134 blood mages or abominations . . . 1 gawky kid with bad hair . . .2 normal mages.

LOL, that is some pretty bad percentages for running into a blood mage or abomination. I think stabbing first and asking if they were a blood mage later might actually be a good idea in Kirkwall.

[sylvanaerie]

axl99 wrote...

Apparently there were codex entries about how the Veil in Kirkwall was very thin because the Tevinter Magisters practiced blood magic in the Gallows. And since the Templars stuck the Mages in the Gallows, they were actually putting their charges in danger of being possessed by spirits/demons. Meh.

I actually wanted to stab that hypocrite Orsino for his complicity in letting Quentin carry on his murder spree that killed Hawke's mother. And Anders? Man he just had to have the most abominable timing. I liked him better when he was still helping mages escape to the Free Marches. At least he was helping his cause.

Don't get me started on Meredith. I will throw kittens out the window.

Too late, refugees ate them all.  Immediately after they went abomination.  I suspect that's where the missing virgins went too.

[Sharn01]

All of chapter 3 can be summed up with

Merideth: Take this time to prepare yourself Hawke, I will be back with an army.

Hawke: Yeah, you go get your army, well be waiting right here for you, with the same people we have here right now.

I was waiting for someone to just say, hey, lets attack now while its just us and no army's and save a ton of lives and time.

I had problems with the way the whole templar vs mage thing was portrayed throughout the game, particuarly the mages, but chapter 3 lost all sense. The guy who posted earlier about a line of demons in a waiting room to possess people in kirkwall while the rest of Thedas seems to miracuosly be demon free was spot on, mages going through their harrowing and passing with flying colors because no demon even shows up and all.

Modifié par Sharn01, 29 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[The Elite Elite]

Yeah, they do make it pretty hard on you when they all seem to let demons take them over. We fight with the knight-commander that not all mages are the same, then when it comes down to it, the mages all turn into abominations to fight off the templars. Though why do blood mages get thrown in with abominations as being automatically evil? Jowan wasn't evil, and neither is Merrill (and a mage warden and mage Hawke with blood magic aren't evil just for being blood mages). Just like regular magic, blood magic can be used for good or evil.

[LobselVith8]

137 out of how many hundreds or thousands of mages who never became abominations or sought to use their magic to harm others, TJPags? And considering virtually all of the templars have no issue committing genocide against all the mages of every age in Kirkwall, should we condemn them for "following orders" when it comes to the slaughter of innocents? Or should we condemn all the mages for the actions of the fraction we specifically encounter?

[Dean_the_Young]

That's a pretty awful bastardization of statistics and facts right there, even by Lob's standards..

[Aurawolf]

Really wasn't it the idol that turned Kirkwall into a bloodbath? Sure things were bad in Kirkwall prior to the idol being given to Meredith but at least she wasn't supporting the insane ideas like making mage tranquil after the harrowing. It was the idol that pushed Meredith over the edge and of course Anders and his insane idea to blow up the chantry. Those two things made reason completely useless and forced the champion's hand so take your pick either can take the blame pretty equally.

[sylvanaerie]

The Elite Elite wrote...

Yeah, they do make it pretty hard on you when they all seem to let demons take them over. We fight with the knight-commander that not all mages are the same, then when it comes down to it, the mages all turn into abominations to fight off the templars. Though why do blood mages get thrown in with abominations as being automatically evil? Jowan wasn't evil, and neither is Merrill (and a mage warden and mage Hawke with blood magic aren't evil just for being blood mages). Just like regular magic, blood magic can be used for good or evil.

Jowan wasn't evil but he did cause a huge amount of pain (and potentially kills someone if you go that route).  Merrill's actions can cause the extermination of her clan and her stubbornness to see how stupid it is to be dealing with the devil causes the death of her Keeper (who takes that bullet for her First).  Yes, no one told Marethari to do that but she did it out of love for Merrill.  And if not her, then it would have been Merrill we were forced to kill.
Blood magic isn't inherently evil but I get the feeling it's like a trickle of water over time.  At first little acts don't mean like much (sacrificing your own blood, then sacrificing some willing companion's, then taking a willing sacrifice of life, then making your own blood sacrifices).  As each act erodes away someone's morality it just snowballs.  Any death/infliction of deliberate pain changes a person and kills empathy in them.  The worst are like Hadriana or Denarius, so jaded that all the world becomes their portable mana pool.
Merrill is aghast during Bitter Pill that Hadriana killed someone in a blood sacrifice for power.  She's perfectly willing to justify her use of blood magic as 'it is just a tool'.  How long before that changes to something more in line with someone like Huon barely a mage for ten years who kills his wife (who he seems to still love even as he kills her). 
So, yea I am not a big fan of Blood Magic as it uses the life force to fuel it.  Let's not even go into the morality of altering people's minds and perceptions to your liking.  That's a whole nother can of worms.

[kea_spicy]

http://dragonage.wik...gma_of_Kirkwall

Apparently Kirkwall's circle mages have a higher percentage of dying during their Harrowing an/or turn to blood magic. As axl99 mentioned, this is partially due to those damned Tevinter magisters thinning the veil on purpose by going even more slave-sacrifice-crazy than normal. This might help explain how the Templar recruits were being posessed/ turned into abominations?