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[AreleX]

One more boss fight for you to watch while I write this thing, killing the Sundermount Mature Dragon in under 30 seconds.

Took some of the boss fight requests, posted the Deep Roads Dragon and Ancient Rock Wraith fights. I'll try to start writing the guide tonight, and have it up by tomorrow...but don't quote me on that.

I've decided to take another crack at Rogue for my next playthrough, and I've got a lot of ideas I want to test out. Would anyone be interested in a guide being made for it? I don't know when I'd have the time/patience/etc to do it, but it's something I could put on my to-do list, if people feel it would be helpful.

I figured I'd ask and gauge interest before spendinig any of my time writing something that time consuming. I know people enjoy the Mach-5 build, but this is another beast entirely. Here's a quick video I recorded of my level 7 DW rogue, you guys decide if it's something you want to find out more about or not:

DW Assassin - Tranquility
DW Assassin on the Wounded Coast
DW Assassin - Night Lies
DW Assassin vs the Ancient Rock Wraith
DW Assassin - One-Minute Deep Roads Dragon Boss Kill
DW Assassin - 30-Second Sundermount Mature Dragon Kill

Modifié par AreleX, 01 avril 2011 - 03:15 .

[IN1]

I'm sure people will appreciate it, AreleX. See how popular your Berserker Vanguard thread is? As long as your build is mainstream enough (in a good sense!) to have mass appeal, and your video quality doesn't drop, your DW rogue is bound to be as popular as your 2H warrior is  Besides, you like to play it the manly way (ZOMG no pausing, ZOMG tactics enabled, ZOMG no kiting), and vast majority of players seems to think this is, indeed, the most enjoyable way to play DA2 -- so why not?

As for me, I cannot say I adore this kind of builds, but yours was intelligently presented and nicely played, so I'd be interested in your take on DW rogue.

Modifié par IN1, 29 mars 2011 - 03:38 .

[Moonstryder]

I'd Read it.
Lots of potential in Rogues, such as how to properly manage obscure effects and aggro. My current nightmare rogue team is the most fun I've have had all game because Hawk and Izzy complement each other well with fatigue fog/chamelon breath. I'd like to see how you would handle an in depth rogue hawk guide :happy:

[enudrom]

I'd definitely be interested seeing as I'm just starting a dw rogue nightmare run. I'm planning on trying out Dual Weapon/Subterfuge/Shadow, because I've already done an Assassination/Archer, and it looks pretty fun.

I'm thinking about running with Fenris-Vanguard/TwoHanded/Tevinter, (w/ "no FF" mod,) Varric- Scoundrel/Marksman and Merrill if I can find a mod that gives her the Creation tree for Heal/Haste/Heroic Aura. (I am so sick of Anders droning on about mage rights.)

What do you think?

Edit: found a mod that will let Merrill cast the oh so awesome Creation spells. I am so looking forward to playing without the almost required Anders. "http://www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2407"

Modifié par enudrom, 29 mars 2011 - 04:51 .

[AreleX]

I don't know, that's the thing; I figured I'd ask and gauge interest before spendinig any of my time writing something that time consuming. I know people enjoy the Mach-5 build, but this is another beast entirely. Here's a quick video I recorded of my level 7 DW rogue, you guys decide if it's something you want to find out more about or not:

DW Assassin - Tranquility

enudrom wrote...

I'd definitely be interested seeing as I'm just starting a dw rogue nightmare run. I'm planning on trying out Dual Weapon/Subterfuge/Shadow, because I've already done an Assassination/Archer, and it looks pretty fun.

I'm thinking about running with Fenris-Vanguard/TwoHanded/Tevinter, (w/ "no FF" mod,) Varric- Scoundrel/Marksman and Merrill if I can find a mod that gives her the Creation tree for Heal/Haste/Heroic Aura. (I am so sick of Anders droning on about mage rights.)

What do you think?

Edit: found a mod that will let Merrill cast the oh so awesome Creation spells. I am so looking forward to playing without the almost required Anders. "http://www.dragonagenexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2407"

I think this would work great, since you'll have the biggest issue (FF) taken care of, so Fenris won't be utterly destroying you and your party every two seconds.

Modifié par AreleX, 29 mars 2011 - 05:32 .

[IN1]

AreleX wrote...

I don't know, that's the thing; I figured I'd ask and gauge interest before spendinig any of my time writing something that time consuming. I know people enjoy the Mach-5 build, but this is another beast entirely. Here's a quick video I recorded of my level 7 DW rogue, you guys decide if it's something you want to find out more about or not:

DW Assassin - Tranquility

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I'm sure people will love it for the same reasons they love your Reaver/Berserker: fast attack speed, high dps, overall in-your-face (in-your-back) 'manliness'. I'd say: provided you have spare time, give it a go.

[Fa1nT]

I would, I just like reading them

A good thing would be

Best Daggers/Armor in each act
The Build (with explanations of why you picked what skills)

My first game was on hard, with a force/spirit mage. Then I did a Reaver Vanguard up to level 14, where I switched to Reaver + Berserker (you need a lot of talent points ._.) on nightmare and it has been pretty fun.

I want to try a Rogue later on with daggers and mabe switched to a bow for a level, then back to daggers. A guide showing what skills are nice (besides assassin obviously).

It would be nice if you wrote it fast, then went back and did all the fancy color editing and stuff you did for your first guide. I just really want a good talent list, as finding good items in shops is pretty easy. You can then build on that list with the full guide

Modifié par Fa1nT, 29 mars 2011 - 06:43 .

[brazen_nl]

How come the video is so blurry, even with the 720p version?

[IN1]

brazen_nl wrote...

How come the video is so blurry, even with the 720p version?

That's because AreleX cheats all the time. The more you cheat, the blurrier your video gets. It's a widely known issue with DA2, and there is a post by Luke Barrett regarding this glitch in Technical Support sub-forum. Hopefully, it will be patched in v. 1.1, since now my videos are unbelievably blurry.

[AreleX]

IN1 wrote...

brazen_nl wrote...

How come the video is so blurry, even with the 720p version?

That's because AreleX cheats all the time. The more you cheat, the blurrier your video gets. It's a widely known issue with DA2, and there is a post by Luke Barrett regarding this glitch in Technical Support sub-forum. Hopefully, it will be patched in v. 1.1, since now my videos are unbelievably blurry.

I've been caught! Please don't ban me, I just wanted to look cool...



Blame Bioware for having such a poor cheat detection system, not me. Should've gotten Punkbuster, at least.

Modifié par AreleX, 29 mars 2011 - 11:40 .

[SirValeq]

Do it. I'm really curious if you can pull of some of the mid-game fights without pausing and/or micromanaging your tank. Getting the tank to do what you really want him/her to do seems to be very difficult through tactics only.

[ShadowPlay 14]

 I'd read it, I need the help. Not that I'm bad or anything  

[Bozorgmehr]

IN1 wrote...

That's because AreleX cheats all the time. The more you cheat, the blurrier your video gets. It's a widely known issue with DA2, and there is a post by Luke Barrett regarding this glitch in Technical Support sub-forum. Hopefully, it will be patched in v. 1.1, since now my videos are unbelievably blurry.

Huh? I'm pretty sure AreleX isn't looking at a blurry screen while playing - quality depends on how you record and how you process the video, the codec used and YT's severe drop in quality no matter what.

Can you link the Luke Barrett's post or are you trolling?

iLikeBWgames wrote...

Do it. I'm really curious if you can pull of some of the mid-game fights without pausing and/or micromanaging your tank. Getting the tank to do what you really want him/her to do seems to be very difficult through tactics only.

It will be difficult to get tank-tactics right (acceptable might be a better word though). I reckon my 2H warrior did well in the Act 2 - 3 part when Aveline joins the party. I managed to have her tank reasonably well without pausing - you have to be lucky she doesn't run into your AoE all the time (I put her on Default - which means Aveline will try to flee the AoE - helped a lot).

The roque doesn't use AoE attacks so you won't be killing your pals. If you can manage Aveline to tank (which shouldn't be very hard) and keep her alive. You can go backstabbing and (unlike 2H) you can help out / keep save your squishy companions.

AreleX first rogue video looks promising - looking forward to the next

[Maria Caliban]

I would be thrilled with a guide like this.

[Teknor]

Do want.

[Maverick827]

I've been wanting to like rogues in Dragon Age since my first Origins character, but they've always let me down. I think DA2 has a shot, but I've always enjoyed the "scrapper" type of Rogue and with the knockback mechanic that probably won't be possible; I don't even know why BioWare gave Rogues a "tank" spec when no way to mitigate knockbacks.

Fenris would probably be too dangerous of a tank for a squishy Rogue, but I've never liked Aveline's threat generation or damage:survivability ratio. Would it be possible to turn Aveline into a mini-Mach-5?

[ezrafetch]

Maverick827 wrote...

Would it be possible to turn Aveline into a mini-Mach-5?

Cleave + Claymore
Destroyer
Massacre
Assault + Battery
Scatter + Disperse

and if you add Haste support...Aveline = MACHINE.  Upgraded Shield Bash (one of the first things you should get anyways) for CCCs on demand, then fill out the rest however you want.  The big problem is getting to level 10 to get the Claymore upgrade more than anything else.

Modifié par ezrafetch, 29 mars 2011 - 06:52 .

[Libaboy]

Yes please do

[AreleX]

Maverick827 wrote...

Would it be possible to turn Aveline into a mini-Mach-5?

That's the plan, a mix of Mach-5, Guardian, and Battlemaster. I have a newfound respect for her, after putting some thought into her talent tree, and picking good abilities to compliment my rogue.

In the video, I was incredibly surprised to walk over to the Templar Lieutenant and see him a sliver away from death, Aveline + Merrill absolutely wrecked shop on him, with zero assistance from me.

[tonnactus]

How rogues deal with zero fortitude? Never saw any good items that helped them with that.

Modifié par tonnactus, 29 mars 2011 - 06:59 .

[Liliandra Nadiar]

I'd take a look, even though I'm quite happy with how my DW rogue game went, I know I don't take full advantage of the game system enough to make real run at higher then Hard settings.

[Maverick827]

Did I miss some revelation about why a fully upgraded Bravery isn't good (for Aveline, that is, not to sidetrack the discussion...)?

Modifié par Maverick827, 29 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[ezrafetch]

Maverick827 wrote...

Did I miss some revelation about why a fully upgraded Bravery isn't good (for Aveline, that is, not to sidetrack the discussion...)?

Personally I dislike it because it occupies so much Stamina (30% is really steep).  Plus, if you spec Aveline for DPS, she should have no problems maintaining aggro (I give her 1pt Taunt to be safe).  You can also get Goad and always just transfer the threat back to Aveline yourself.  The biggest thing for me is that I want to save her Stamina to set up Staggers for your Mages or for you to exploit...assuming you're talking about DW Rogue, which I'm guessing since this is a DW Rogue thread...

[enudrom]

tonnactus wrote...

How rogues deal with zero fortitude? Never saw any good items that helped them with that.

There are a few items scattered about that give immunity to knockback. In act 2 there is Etched Ring of the Twins from Nexus Golem, and in act 3 there is a dagger that's pretty good called.... Hand of the Carta or something similar.

[AreleX]

enudrom wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

How rogues deal with zero fortitude? Never saw any good items that helped them with that.

There are a few items scattered about that give immunity to knockback. In act 2 there is Etched Ring of the Twins from Nexus Golem, and in act 3 there is a dagger that's pretty good called.... Hand of the Carta or something similar.

Carta's Left Hand (41 DEX Req.)
42 Physical damage
+87 Attack
+10% Critical chance
25% Chance to reduce attack speed
25% Chance to reduce movement speed
Immunity to knockbak
Hanker (Decrepit Alley, Kind of Want)

I'd use it if you really really REALLY can't afford the Etched Ring of the Twins (which should be priority 1), but if you do have the ring, I'd go for something with rune slots instead, for the Primeval Lyrium Rune, and Rune of Devastation.

Modifié par AreleX, 29 mars 2011 - 07:48 .