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[dantares83]

DA has a few mysteries that till now, has not been solved. Going by how badly reviewed and the terrible outlash DA2 has, DA3 might be the last game (if it ever comes out) we see for this series. So what are some of the mysteries you hope to see before this series ended?

For me,

1) I really want to know is Alistair is Fiona's son? No one has an answer to this question and I would prefer Marric not to have so many 'bastard' childs around...

2) Who/what is Felmeth and Sandal's role in DA

3) OGB! i think he/she will be borned regardless of the players' choice...

[Foolsfolly]

WHAT IS THE BIG CHANGE COMING!?!?!?!

Seriously, I doubt Morrigan and Flemeth were talking about a petty war between a crazed old woman and a bunch of abominations. Does the change have something to do with Sandal's "the magic coming back" line? If so, why isn't that the story of DA2?

Especially since Flemeth tells Hawke to not be afraid to jump when that moment happens....that moment never happened in DA2.

[FastimusRex]

-> 1) I'd say yes. Actually, read 'The Calling' now working on 'The Stolen Throne.' Although, it's never confirmed, Maric never had a child with Katriel. He had a son (Cailan) with Rowan and another son with Fiona. He wasn't a man **** or anything, and if you read 'The Calling' and tie it into what you know about DA:O, it makes sense short of Alistair not knowing the whole truth, which is hardly surprising.

As for 2 and 3, those are things I'd just wager guesses towards. And, personally, I find that foolish. So, in other words, I've no idea what Sandal or Flemeths roles are. Convenient enchanter and Morrigan's creator / person-who-puts-main characters-on-a-certain path, respectively.

I mean, Flemeth even helped Maric (in The Stolen Throne) and warned him of Loghain.

[FastimusRex]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Especially since Flemeth tells Hawke to not be afraid to jump when that moment happens....that moment never happened in DA2.

That moment was most likely Hawke choosing a side after Ander's forced her hand. Jumping to help the Templars or the mages.

[FastimusRex]

Foolsfolly wrote...

WHAT IS THE BIG CHANGE COMING!?!?!?!

Seriously, I doubt Morrigan and Flemeth were talking about a petty war between a crazed old woman and a bunch of abominations. Does the change have something to do with Sandal's "the magic coming back" line? If so, why isn't that the story of DA2?

Also, how could that possibly be the primary focus of DA2? It's not until the second act that NPC's start saying stuff like, "Oh more mages are being born" or "Oh, people sure are treating mages even worse here in Kirkwall than other places, so I hear."

'Change is coming' is hinted at. I think people where expecting DA2 to have an actual end, like DAO and the slaying of the archdemon. DA2 didn't, really. Hawke didn't really have an archdemon type badguy to slay. It's a story that leads to bigger things. The catalyst being the Chantry exploding, mages all over Thedas rebelling and the Templars falling out of line.

Logically, it's simply a setup of needed information an events that with coagulate into a formidable and more relevant story, down the line. At least, I hope so.

[Inzhuna]

I want Sandal's prophecy explained. So. Bad.

[Foolsfolly]

FastimusRex wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Especially since Flemeth tells Hawke to not be afraid to jump when that moment happens....that moment never happened in DA2.

That moment was most likely Hawke choosing a side after Ander's forced her hand. Jumping to help the Templars or the mages.

....if that was the big change and the moment for Hawke to jump and see if they could fly...then that was lamest change possible.

A war we knew about 3 minutes into the game (some 35+ hours ago, and likely days ago for the player) was the thing Morrigan and Flemeth teased.

I really hope that's not the change.

[bztang]

Inzhuna wrote...

I want Sandal's prophecy explained. So. Bad.

What's his prophecy, is it about the scary lady he sees?

[Foolsfolly]

FastimusRex wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

WHAT IS THE BIG CHANGE COMING!?!?!?!

Seriously, I doubt Morrigan and Flemeth were talking about a petty war between a crazed old woman and a bunch of abominations. Does the change have something to do with Sandal's "the magic coming back" line? If so, why isn't that the story of DA2?

Also, how could that possibly be the primary focus of DA2? It's not until the second act that NPC's start saying stuff like, "Oh more mages are being born" or "Oh, people sure are treating mages even worse here in Kirkwall than other places, so I hear."

'Change is coming' is hinted at. I think people where expecting DA2 to have an actual end, like DAO and the slaying of the archdemon. DA2 didn't, really. Hawke didn't really have an archdemon type badguy to slay. It's a story that leads to bigger things. The catalyst being the Chantry exploding, mages all over Thedas rebelling and the Templars falling out of line.

Logically, it's simply a setup of needed information an events that with coagulate into a formidable and more relevant story, down the line. At least, I hope so.

Dragon Age 1 wasn't 50 hours in Denerim alluding to how a Blight might happen and then ended at Ostagar. If they had a more interesting story (like this great change that Morrigan hyped us about in Witch Hunt) then perhaps that should have been part of the plot.

[Rahelron]

Don't be pessimist... given what is happening with this chapter two things can happen:

1- As you said they are going to abandon the DragonAge franchise because now it has lost its appeal.
2- (More likely to me) They are going to take more time to develop the next chapters, trying to include more content and less bugs.

These are the things i really want to see in the next parts:

- MORRIGAN!! I Want her back! I know that she will never be a playable NPC again (a companion), but at least I want to know what's her plan.

- I want to see the Tevinter

- A map as big as the DAO one with a capital city as large as Kirkwall.

[Ox_Mox]

I'm actually fairly concerned about the OGB. He might end up playing a major role (which is what we would expect since he was kind of a big deal at the end of origins), and thus bioware ignores our choice and makes him exist regardless of ritual or no. OR he might have to play a minor role so he can either exist or not exist without messing up the story too much.

Only other possibility I can think of would involve creating two largely different storylines regarding whether or not you had the OGB, which seems like a lot of work so it probably won't happen.


Also I don't think Sandal will ever be explained. I think his mysterious darkspawn slaying antics are meant more as a joke than actual canon powers.

[Inzhuna]

bztang wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

I want Sandal's prophecy explained. So. Bad.

What's his prophecy, is it about the scary lady he sees?

Nope.
"One day the magic will come back. all
of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and
the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

[SamilTane]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Especially since Flemeth tells Hawke to not be afraid to jump when that moment happens....that moment never happened in DA2.

Oh I've actually been assuming that change Flemeth was referring to was the start of the mage-templar war. You must admit that a three way civil war (mage, templar, chantry itself) happening across all countries except Tevinter is a pretty big thing.

What I'm not sure about is what Flemeth's primary motives are. I used to think that she was kinda facilitating the mage-templar war by planting Hawke in Kirkwall, but it seems a little unlikely that she would know that Anders would join the party and that we would like use a weapon of mass destruction.

I think it's more likely that Flemeth's motive in all this has been to raise heroes. Her actions in DAO and DA2 can be summarised as saving two random people and putting them in conditions where they would become, respectively, the Hero of Fereldan and the Champion of Kirkwall. Not to mention the fact that both these heroes have been stated to have gone missing. As for the underlying reason she wants to do this... I guess we'll have to wait for future games.

[FastimusRex]

@Foolsfolly

A recurring theme in both of your posts (an a lot that I've seen) mention, rather whinely,something about Morrigan. When will people realize that DA2 is a different game. Flemeth's presence, I can understand. She's helped many protagonists throughout the Dragon Age. Maric, The Warden and Alistair and Hawke. Morrigan was only there during the Warden's play-period. And, ultimately, the only thing that makes her important is the fact that she was impregnated with the essence of an Old God. I doubt even David Gaider knows where that will lead to. I hope he has an idea, but given the writing of DA2, I hold no such hopes.

In the scheme of things, whatever they may be, Morrigan is insignificant, only her potential spawn bears any weight. Assuming the DA:O storyline one played included the dark ritual.

And, if the change Flemeth hinted at for Hawke wasn't unknowingly allowing Anders to incite Thedas-wide rebellion, what was? Are we to assume that Hawke never had the chance to leap during the Dragon Age 2 storyline? If so, what was the purpose. I'd think Bioware would have more care for their fans than essentially creating a beta game to see the potential reviews.

[Foolsfolly]

A recurring theme in both of your posts (an a lot that I've seen) mention, rather whinely,something about Morrigan. When will people realize that DA2 is a different game

You do realize it's the same series though, right?

Also, I rarely talk about Morrigan, but whatever.

And, if the change Flemeth hinted at for Hawke wasn't unknowingly allowing Anders to incite Thedas-wide rebellion, what was? Are we to assume that Hawke never had the chance to leap during the Dragon Age 2 storyline? If so, what was the purpose. I'd think Bioware would have more care for their fans than essentially creating a beta game to see the potential reviews.

I have no idea. But unknowingly allowing Anders to do something and Hawke 'leaping' aren't exactly the same thing. But I've played the game three times and there's never a moment, a pivotal moment, where Hawke has to act and change something.

It got close with the Act 2 finale. When Hawke takes command of Meredith and Orinso and leads the assault on the Keep. It felt like our hero had finally arrived...but that hero's no where to be seen in Act 3, where Hawke's back in errand boy form and no one listens to a word Hawke says.

[TobiTobsen]

FastimusRex wrote...

I mean, Flemeth even helped Maric (in The Stolen Throne) and warned him of Loghain.

I really want to know what Maric and Flemeth were doing in her shack. I mean Loghain said he looked tired when he left it. Did she took some of his life essence to stay "young"? Where they dancing the horizontal mambo? And if... why? Did she knew Morrigan would betray her and she would need a new daughter/body to possess?

So many questions...

[FastimusRex]

TobiTobsen wrote...

I really want to know what Maric and Flemeth were doing in her shack. I mean Loghain said he looked tired when he left it. Did she took some of his life essence to stay "young"? Where they dancing the horizontal mambo? And if... why? Did she knew Morrigan would betray her and she would need a new daughter/body to possess?

So many questions...

I really have no idea. Flemeth told Maric that in order for her to help him(and Loghain) she needed a promise. The promise was never explained or detailed within the actual book. I understand Bioware (or any creative developer) not wanting to reveal too many secrets. Then again, that just creates more work for them in the long run. Saddens me to think about it, but I worry that a lot (if not most) of the questions will just go unanswered.

[FastimusRex]

Foolsfolly wrote...

A recurring theme in both of your posts (an a lot that I've seen) mention, rather whinely,something about Morrigan. When will people realize that DA2 is a different game

You do realize it's the same series though, right?

Also, I rarely talk about Morrigan, but whatever.

And, if the change Flemeth hinted at for Hawke wasn't unknowingly allowing Anders to incite Thedas-wide rebellion, what was? Are we to assume that Hawke never had the chance to leap during the Dragon Age 2 storyline? If so, what was the purpose. I'd think Bioware would have more care for their fans than essentially creating a beta game to see the potential reviews.

I have no idea. But unknowingly allowing Anders to do something and Hawke 'leaping' aren't exactly the same thing. But I've played the game three times and there's never a moment, a pivotal moment, where Hawke has to act and change something.

It got close with the Act 2 finale. When Hawke takes command of Meredith and Orinso and leads the assault on the Keep. It felt like our hero had finally arrived...but that hero's no where to be seen in Act 3, where Hawke's back in errand boy form and no one listens to a word Hawke says.

I guess we'll play at semantics, then. So, forgive me for not making this clear. Leaping and making a decision of whom to support were one-in-the-same for me. Hawke either sides with mages or Templars. That is a decision that will define Hawke's character to the rest of Thedas. That is a leap, as it directly effects Hawke and her/his impending fate. I've also played it 3 times through. On my fourth playing a 'pure' Templar supporter. And, your right. There is no 'in your face' decision. It seems like it's purely subjective, but I'm sticking with the whole choosing sides bit was what Flemeth was talking about. And if what she was talking about didn't occur in DA2, then what was the point of Hawke? Why just introduce a character and not truly go anywhere with it.

Now, I won't disagree that DA2 is found wanting in comparison to DA:O. It's relatively disapointing on almost every story-oriented aspect. It's kinda sad when I find the best thing about DA:2 to be the voice acting and the skill allocation screen. The storyline was meh.

Modifié par FastimusRex, 29 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[Inzhuna]

I always assumed Maric looked tired and weary because of what Flemeth told him. Remember, she told him a Blight was coming to his country but he won't be alive to see it and that his best friend will betray him. Not the easiest thing to process.

[Foolsfolly]

But that decision has no weight. Either choice ends with the same result. And the choice to even choose wasn't Hawke's. Anders acted and Meredith forced Hawke to choose who to side with. A phrase like 'leaping' sounds like Hawke actively doing something at a pivotal moment.

After beating the game, my only thought about that moment with Flemeth was that 6 years later that moment still hasn't arrived for Hawke. Maybe it was about to but Hawke ran off without a word instead of leading.

Perhaps that's the point, Hawke could have been the Champion in more than name only. Hawke's moment had come, Orinso, the Grand Cleric, the Viscount, and the Knight-Commander were all dead and a whole City-State was rudderless....and a pro-mage Hawke runs off and a pro-Templar Hawke is made Viscount before also running off.

Hawke missed the big moment.

....something to think about, anyway.

Now, I won't disagree that DA2 is found wanting in comparison to DA:O. It's relatively disapointing on almost every story-oriented aspect. It's kinda sad when I find the best thing about DA:2 to be the voice acting and the skill allocation screen. The storyline was meh.

Wasn't the new skill trees great? I don't think BioWare hears that enough. It's great how actives, passives, and sustainables all have their own shape so at a glance you know what's what. That was cool. I loved upgrading skills too.

I also liked the dialogue, some missions had amazing dialogue. In fact, most missions had great dialogue.

[supakillaii]

Alistair is the on of Flemeth and Maric.
OGB will play a huge role, wether he was made, or not.
Just my guesses.

[TobiTobsen]

supakillaii wrote...

Alistair is the son of Flemeth and Maric.

Haha... that thought crossed my mind once. So maybe Alistair wasn't making up the whole Dogs from Anderfels story... it was just no dog. It was a Shapeshifting Dragon from the Korcari Wilds

[M8DMAN]

I just want My Warden and Leliana back.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 29 mars 2011 - 10:58 .

[RazorrX]

1) He is Fiona's child. That is why Duncan watched over him his whole life (he said he knew duncan before the wardens). That is why Duncan conscripted him before he became a lyrium addict templar, That is why Duncan tried to protect him and keep him out of the fight, etc.

2) Flemeth is the agent of change, same as Morrigan. Sandal is an old god in the body of a Dwarven Mage from the primal Thaig.

3) Most likely the OGB will be confirmed as Canon soon. If you look at DA2 and the premade choices only 1 was called Default - Male Noble - dark ritual - architect alive. That is the 'canon' story that DG and the rest are going to use for the future games.

4) There will be about the same dev time as DA2 for DA3. EA has profits in mind, gone are the 3+ year dev times. Since ME showed it can make a successful sequel in about 1.5 years - and ME3 in about the same all future DA products will follow the ME dev plan.

[The Angry One]

RazorrX wrote...

3) Most likely the OGB will be confirmed as Canon soon. If you look at DA2 and the premade choices only 1 was called Default - Male Noble - dark ritual - architect alive. That is the 'canon' story that DG and the rest are going to use for the future games.

Default is not canon.
It's called default because it's what's picked if you choose nothing else. You know, the definition of default.

Modifié par The Angry One, 29 mars 2011 - 01:27 .