I am not trying to troll, I just hear a lot of people saying that given the low ratings, negative feedback and bad sales that the DA franchisee may get canceled.
What do you think? Although I am really disappointed with DA2, I really hope that there will be a DA3, DA4...
As I already said in some other thread, Bioware doesn't need to apologize for DA2, just to admit they made mistake.
I just think they should really listen what was said here and make a kick-ass DA3, a mix between DA:O and DA2.
Something like 70% DA:O, 30% DA2.
I really want to give Bioware my support since they made the best game I've ever player - DA:O, but at the same time I want them to know that I am very disappointed and kinda angry with what they did with DA2.
I know that 90% of you, no matter how disappointed you are with this one, want a DA3.
Do you think that this is the last of the Dragon Age franchise?
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:15
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Nope. I'm pretty sure they will still surprise us with a third game and maybe a fourth one. It depends on the quality of the patch and future DLCs, really.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:16
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This is a pattern with EA so I'm not looking forward to anything.
Well-known Westwood titles from the early 1990's include Dune II, The Legend of Kyrandia, and Lands of Lore. Westwood's greatest commercial success however came in 1995 with the release of the real-time strategy game Command & Conquer. Building on the gameplay and interface ideas of Dune II, it added pre-rendered 3D graphics for gameplay sprites and video cinematics, an alternative pop/rock soundtrack with techno elements streamed from disk, and modem play. Command & Conquer, Kyrandia, and Lands of Lore all spawned multiple sequels.
In August 1998, Westwood was acquired by Electronic Arts for $122.5 million in cash. At the time, Westwood had 5% to 6% of the PC game market.[1] In response to EA's buyout, many long-time Westwood employees quit and left Westwood Studios. Because of this and EA's newly imposed demands, games being developed by Westwood Studios at the time were rushed and left unfinished upon their release, namely Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun.[2] All the subsequent games developed by Westwood were also heavily subjected to increased control by Electronic Arts, with some of them being cancelled.
Along with Westwood, EA had also acquired Virgin Interactive's development studio based in Irvine, California.[1] It was managed by Westwood and became known as Westwood Pacific, and later EA Pacific. Westwood Pacific developed or co-developed games like Nox and the Command & Conquer: Red Alert's sequel Red Alert 2, which takes place in an alternate universe to that of the original title Command & Conquer. One of the last games released by Westwood, Command & Conquer: Renegade (an action game, which mixed elements from first-person shooters and real-time strategy games) failed to meet consumer expectations and commercial goals Electronic Arts had set for it. In March of 2003, Westwood Studios (along with EA Pacific) was liquidated by EA, and all willing staff were assimilated into EA Los Angeles. Their last video game was the MMORPG Earth & Beyond.
At the time of its liquidation, Westwood employed a third of the original Westwood Studios personnel, some of which formed Petroglyph Games in April 2003, along with three of them (Brett Sperry, Adam Isgreen and Rade Stojsavljevic) forming Jet Set Games development studio in 2008, both based in Las Vegas, Nevada.
In September 1992, Electronic Arts acquired the company.[citation needed]
In 1997, they released one of the earliest and most successful graphical MMORPGs, Ultima Online. After this title, Electronic Arts decided that Origin would become an online-only company after the completion of Ultima IX in 1999. However, within a year's time, in part due to Ultima IX's poor reception [2], EA canceled all of Origin's new development projects, including Ultima Online 2, Privateer Online, and Harry Potter Online. Richard Garriott left Origin shortly after and founded Destination Games in 2000.
In later years, Origin mainly existed to support and expand Ultima Online and to develop further online games based on the Ultima franchise such as Ultima X: Odyssey, originally to be released in 2004 but later canceled. In February 2004, the studio was disbanded by Electronic Arts.
I could go on, but it's depressing.
Well-known Westwood titles from the early 1990's include Dune II, The Legend of Kyrandia, and Lands of Lore. Westwood's greatest commercial success however came in 1995 with the release of the real-time strategy game Command & Conquer. Building on the gameplay and interface ideas of Dune II, it added pre-rendered 3D graphics for gameplay sprites and video cinematics, an alternative pop/rock soundtrack with techno elements streamed from disk, and modem play. Command & Conquer, Kyrandia, and Lands of Lore all spawned multiple sequels.
In August 1998, Westwood was acquired by Electronic Arts for $122.5 million in cash. At the time, Westwood had 5% to 6% of the PC game market.[1] In response to EA's buyout, many long-time Westwood employees quit and left Westwood Studios. Because of this and EA's newly imposed demands, games being developed by Westwood Studios at the time were rushed and left unfinished upon their release, namely Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun.[2] All the subsequent games developed by Westwood were also heavily subjected to increased control by Electronic Arts, with some of them being cancelled.
Along with Westwood, EA had also acquired Virgin Interactive's development studio based in Irvine, California.[1] It was managed by Westwood and became known as Westwood Pacific, and later EA Pacific. Westwood Pacific developed or co-developed games like Nox and the Command & Conquer: Red Alert's sequel Red Alert 2, which takes place in an alternate universe to that of the original title Command & Conquer. One of the last games released by Westwood, Command & Conquer: Renegade (an action game, which mixed elements from first-person shooters and real-time strategy games) failed to meet consumer expectations and commercial goals Electronic Arts had set for it. In March of 2003, Westwood Studios (along with EA Pacific) was liquidated by EA, and all willing staff were assimilated into EA Los Angeles. Their last video game was the MMORPG Earth & Beyond.
At the time of its liquidation, Westwood employed a third of the original Westwood Studios personnel, some of which formed Petroglyph Games in April 2003, along with three of them (Brett Sperry, Adam Isgreen and Rade Stojsavljevic) forming Jet Set Games development studio in 2008, both based in Las Vegas, Nevada.
In September 1992, Electronic Arts acquired the company.[citation needed]
In 1997, they released one of the earliest and most successful graphical MMORPGs, Ultima Online. After this title, Electronic Arts decided that Origin would become an online-only company after the completion of Ultima IX in 1999. However, within a year's time, in part due to Ultima IX's poor reception [2], EA canceled all of Origin's new development projects, including Ultima Online 2, Privateer Online, and Harry Potter Online. Richard Garriott left Origin shortly after and founded Destination Games in 2000.
In later years, Origin mainly existed to support and expand Ultima Online and to develop further online games based on the Ultima franchise such as Ultima X: Odyssey, originally to be released in 2004 but later canceled. In February 2004, the studio was disbanded by Electronic Arts.
I could go on, but it's depressing.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:18
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If they don't work on DA3 they'll be working on a new IP...
I hope they do a DA3 - which will be a TRUE sequel to DAO. Rather than the weird second cousin we have to invite to family functions.
I hope they do a DA3 - which will be a TRUE sequel to DAO. Rather than the weird second cousin we have to invite to family functions.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:21
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Whether people want it or not, Dragon Age 3 is pretty much a fact. Toss a sizable amount of DLC's into the mix and I can safely say that we have definitely not seen the end of the franchise. IF it's actually a step up or down from what we have is a different matter entirely.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:23
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As much as I wish it was, not a chance in hell.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:28
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P_k_r wrote...
Whether people want it or not, Dragon Age 3 is pretty much a fact. Toss a sizable amount of DLC's into the mix and I can safely say that we have definitely not seen the end of the franchise. IF it's actually a step up or down from what we have is a different matter entirely.
Sad truth is that they have lowered the bar so far with DA2 that even if DA3 is entirely the same thing with maybe two towns instead of one it will be a step up. And thats just awful.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:28
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As Riloux(cool name!) said, not a chance in hell.
However much people may complain, the truth is that it's been selling like wildfire and whatever other factors they may be in this equation, the simple fact is DA3 will be a huge money-maker too.
However much people may complain, the truth is that it's been selling like wildfire and whatever other factors they may be in this equation, the simple fact is DA3 will be a huge money-maker too.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:37
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I believe they will make a DA3 and it will be like DA2, but the dropping metascore will have some sort of effect I'm just not sure what atm.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:40
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DeathStride wrote...
As Riloux(cool name!) said, not a chance in hell.
However much people may complain, the truth is that it's been selling like wildfire and whatever other factors they may be in this equation, the simple fact is DA3 will be a huge money-maker too.
This line sound familiar ?
"failed to meet consumer expectations and commercial goals Electronic Arts had set for it"
Sales are relative. Given the goal of DA2 , it's failed.
CRISIS1717 wrote...
I believe they will make a DA3 and it will be like DA2, but the dropping metascore will have some sort of effect I'm just not sure what atm.
Some people will jump on it and try to pick it appart with an almost sadistic glee... Thing is having split the fan base, even if they went back to what Origins was, they would still have as many critics on the other side.
Generally why unsuccessful IP's get canned or put on hiatus for a couple of years.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 08:47
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Why would anyone want it to be canceled. I understand the disappointment, but it would be a shame if all that story and setting to be ended in such a way.
Also, forgot to add in the opening post, I hope that Bioware greatly appreciates that more than half of the disappointed fans blame EA instead of them both. EA did not put a gun on Bioware and set the deadline. They also wanted the big cake, but as someone said "The cake was a lie".
Bioware really should step-up and justify the trust given to them, because everyone that bought DA:O and DA2 will more than probably buy DA3, but after that it's left to DA3 to make a point.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... you know.
Also, forgot to add in the opening post, I hope that Bioware greatly appreciates that more than half of the disappointed fans blame EA instead of them both. EA did not put a gun on Bioware and set the deadline. They also wanted the big cake, but as someone said "The cake was a lie".
Bioware really should step-up and justify the trust given to them, because everyone that bought DA:O and DA2 will more than probably buy DA3, but after that it's left to DA3 to make a point.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... you know.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 09:16
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That all depends on how well The Old Republic does. If it tanks you may as well say goodbye to BioWare.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 09:26
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I'm sure that this game will sell more than the first one, and in the end, that is what matters to the publishers and developers. Honestly, the more I played this game, the deeper the story and characters became. The repetitiveness was a bit much, but I think that some of the negativity toward this game is amplified by the internet.
Hundreds of thousands of people will buy this game and remain unaware of the microcosm of "Metacritic" and forums. There's a Nielson statistic somewhere on the intrawebs that claims 80-90% (don't recall which, Google it) of all video-game purchasers/ players don't even know what Metacritic is, nor do they use it for their purchasing decisions. It will probably sell close to 3 million life-time sales on consoles alone. That's enough to sustain/ encourage a franchise.
Hundreds of thousands of people will buy this game and remain unaware of the microcosm of "Metacritic" and forums. There's a Nielson statistic somewhere on the intrawebs that claims 80-90% (don't recall which, Google it) of all video-game purchasers/ players don't even know what Metacritic is, nor do they use it for their purchasing decisions. It will probably sell close to 3 million life-time sales on consoles alone. That's enough to sustain/ encourage a franchise.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 09:27
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We are defintely getting Dragon Age 3. This isn't like Mass Effect with a set number of games to tell one story in a wider universe, instead we've had Dragon Age Origins + Awakening as an expansion. Followed by Dragon Age Journeys. Then we recieved Dragon Age 2 plus Dragon Age Legends. We've had two novels so far, with an incomplete canon machinima series, an upcoming live action web series, and also an upcoming Dragon Age anime. On top of that they're already on the second expansion for the pen-and-paper Dragon Age RPG.
Dragon Age is a franchise with legs and I don't see EA abandoning it anytime soon.
Dragon Age is a franchise with legs and I don't see EA abandoning it anytime soon.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 09:55
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Ain't it too early to sing doom and gloom for Dragon Age titles? Game is so new. We even don't have Builder/DLC/Expansions, heck even not a serious patch this far.
It can be unimpressive for a Bioware title but surely it is way much better than the Awakenings or NWN: SotU.
My biggest fear is Bioware will drop Dragon Age titles on another company, especially Obsidian. They don't have slightest clue what a Bioware RPG is.
I am loving Dragon Age universe and there are many stories I want to hear/play.
So waiting in following order: DA 2 Toolset - DLCs covering lost years (the ones game skipped) - DA 2 Expansion/s then it will be right time for DA3.
It can be unimpressive for a Bioware title but surely it is way much better than the Awakenings or NWN: SotU.
My biggest fear is Bioware will drop Dragon Age titles on another company, especially Obsidian. They don't have slightest clue what a Bioware RPG is.
I am loving Dragon Age universe and there are many stories I want to hear/play.
So waiting in following order: DA 2 Toolset - DLCs covering lost years (the ones game skipped) - DA 2 Expansion/s then it will be right time for DA3.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 09:57
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We should just get to DA3. I still remember the times you didn't have to buy bits of the story in two-hour long, pricy packages.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 10:02
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If they really gonna include the missing years as dlc i'm gonna be so pissed of... speaking of "cutting out parts of the game to sell them later as dlc" to make more money is the saddest thing anyone can do and that will be the day I stop visiting this forum AND the day that decides I will never buy a Bioware game again.
If the world was fair, I would get my dragon age 3 and that for free as a "sorry" from Bioware for prostituting itself.
If the world was fair, I would get my dragon age 3 and that for free as a "sorry" from Bioware for prostituting itself.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 10:04
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It depends on factors it would be hard to nail down at this point. If DA2 meets or exceeded sales expectations it would be likely that the IP will continue to be expanded. Bioware has a lot of people that like the IP.
That said, they had lots of people that liked the Jade Empire world as well, and their will never be another one of those. DA2 is getting a bit hammered by critics and may not sell well. Anecdotal evidence suggest to me that it is not getting the normal positive word of mouth that Bioware's loyal fanbase can be trusted to provide in large amounts.
Oh, and I loved Jade Empire. Of course, it had a villain, focused plot, memorable locations and the "press button = receive awesome" made sense in a light fighting game where you would doge, block, heal and switch styles on the fly as opposed to "Yes, you stupid machine, I want to attack my target at best possible rate while not triggering abilities on a cooldown and otherwise I'd like to be free to look around and observe the situation."
That said, they had lots of people that liked the Jade Empire world as well, and their will never be another one of those. DA2 is getting a bit hammered by critics and may not sell well. Anecdotal evidence suggest to me that it is not getting the normal positive word of mouth that Bioware's loyal fanbase can be trusted to provide in large amounts.
Oh, and I loved Jade Empire. Of course, it had a villain, focused plot, memorable locations and the "press button = receive awesome" made sense in a light fighting game where you would doge, block, heal and switch styles on the fly as opposed to "Yes, you stupid machine, I want to attack my target at best possible rate while not triggering abilities on a cooldown and otherwise I'd like to be free to look around and observe the situation."
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 11:02
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A ton of DLC for DA2, maybe an expansion. And at least one sequel.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 11:11
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I think there is a good chance that DA2 is the last game in the franchise.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 12:53
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If they don't learn anything from da2 i hope it is.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 01:00
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Nope, the cow's not dead yet. There will be DLC, an addon ... and probably a Dragon Age 3, too.
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Posté 29 mars 2011 - 01:06
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Not all of Bioware, just BioWare Austin.Hatchetman77 wrote...
That all depends on how well The Old Republic does. If it tanks you may as well say goodbye to BioWare.
