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[BubbleDncr]

Marko GW wrote...

As I already said in some other thread, Bioware doesn't need to apologize for DA2, just to admit they made mistake.

They don't need to apologize for making an awesome game.

[Lilunebrium]

Asperius wrote...

Ain't it too early to sing doom and gloom for Dragon Age titles? Game is so new. We even don't have Builder/DLC/Expansions, heck even not a serious patch this far.

It can be unimpressive for a Bioware title but surely it is way much better than the Awakenings or NWN: SotU.

My biggest fear is Bioware will drop Dragon Age titles on another company, especially Obsidian. They don't have slightest clue what a Bioware RPG is.

I am loving Dragon Age universe and there are many stories I want to hear/play.

So waiting in following order: DA 2 Toolset - DLCs covering lost years (the ones game skipped) - DA 2 Expansion/s then it will be right time for DA3.

Basically everything I have to say.

[shumworld]

If Michael Bay can make Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen only to be signed up for another TF sequel. Then I'm sure BW will make a DA3.

[Boiny Bunny]

It depends how EA judges the critical response and sales to DA2. Sales might be high-ish, but how much of that is due to the incredible game that was Origins? How many fans will pre-order DA3 before not knowing much about it, as many did for DA2? Will you be automatically convinced that it will be a brilliant game, as you were DA2?

DA2 was always going to do somewhat well in terms of sales, simply riding on the success of DA:O - but now that they've made a dud entry in the series, consumers will (hopefully) be a little bit more discerning with their quality standards when it comes to DA3.

I know that I won't be pre-ordering DA3. It will definately be a 'wait until its out' game.

And do you know what? DA2 was going to be one of those games - except that they created the Signature edition - to get everybody to pre-order before they revealed all the things they had cut out of the game.

[sheppard7]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

It depends how EA judges the critical response and sales to DA2. Sales might be high-ish, but how much of that is due to the incredible game that was Origins? How many fans will pre-order DA3 before not knowing much about it, as many did for DA2? Will you be automatically convinced that it will be a brilliant game, as you were DA2?

DA2 was always going to do somewhat well in terms of sales, simply riding on the success of DA:O - but now that they've made a dud entry in the series, consumers will (hopefully) be a little bit more discerning with their quality standards when it comes to DA3.

I know that I won't be pre-ordering DA3. It will definately be a 'wait until its out' game.

And do you know what? DA2 was going to be one of those games - except that they created the Signature edition - to get everybody to pre-order before they revealed all the things they had cut out of the game.

They will probably try to do another Signature Edition. Odd thing is we should have known. Really why is there no Collector's Edition after release instead. We should have seen that as "It's A Trap!" If they felt it would have gotten a great response, they would have just done the route of extra 20 or 30 dollars for Collector's Edition like every other game.

[Romantiq]

Asperius wrote...

Ain't it too early to sing doom and gloom for Dragon Age titles? Game is so new. We even don't have Builder/DLC/Expansions, heck even not a serious patch this far.

It can be unimpressive for a Bioware title but surely it is way much better than the Awakenings or NWN: SotU.

My biggest fear is Bioware will drop Dragon Age titles on another company, especially Obsidian. They don't have slightest clue what a Bioware RPG is.

I am loving Dragon Age universe and there are many stories I want to hear/play.

So waiting in following order: DA 2 Toolset - DLCs covering lost years (the ones game skipped) - DA 2 Expansion/s then it will be right time for DA3.

It's very unlikely that toolset will even be released. If its by some miracle released then it's probably going to be made the same way origins toolset was using stupid sql manager. I can't trust this company to make a decent user friendly toolset with proper documentation on scripting after dao one.
NWN : SoU  and Awakening are both expansions. DA 2 - "FULL GAME" with price tag of $59.

I love this universe as well and I would surely love to see more dialogues, customization, environment and much better quests. (unlike lazy lvl design and fetch quests that we got)

Modifié par Romantiq, 30 mars 2011 - 12:40 .

[z Blitz]

I don't understand why so many of you are SO disappointed with DA:2. I thought it was refreshing. DA:O was much like ME1 in my opinion. GREAT game, but the game play was so freaking slow. DA:2 was so nice, it was quick, the graphics were great, and I didn't find playing as a Champion for Kirkwall bad at all. I found it highly entertaining. My only complaint is the lack of bonding between the companions. You don't really get to know them or speak with them hardly at all compared to DA:O.

I really freaking hope they make a DA:3, I just hope it's not some new character. I hope we can go back to The Grey Warden and continue traveling with some old companions like Alistair/whatever romance you chose, and maybe pull a COD where you play two different stories at once, where Hawke and her/his companions are else where fighting the good fight or the opposite fight of the warden depending on the choices you make. That would make for BA game I think. Just my opinion. I'm not sure how that would work out though, all I really want is to have the next DA be more centered around The Wardens more so than DA:2 was. But I guess I really don't have much of a say in it lol, but even though DA:2 wasn't as a good as it could have been, I'll definitely be preordering DA3, because I'm going to play it regardless of whether it sucks or not. Which it probably won't, it's Bioware, they'll learn from whatever mistakes they made in DA2 and make the next freaking awesome.

[Boiny Bunny]

Heh, I created a thread waaaaaaaaaaaay back about the signature edition being a ploy to make people pre-order, before they revealed how bad the game was going to be by actually showing combat etc.

Anybody who pre-ordered the signature edition more or less did so because:

1) They like Bioware games
2) They like Origins
3) They wanted cool items etc. in DA2

But when everybody was preordering the signature edition, we all knew next to nothing about DA2 itself.

At any rate, everybody thought I was nuts, and was being a conspiracy theorist etc.

It just didn't seem right - having an edition which you had to pre-order before a certain date, in order to get a bunch of extra content, and that cut off date being before they actually reveal anything substantial about the game.

Good marketing ploy though.

[Gatt9]

Yes, I think it is the last.

I don't think ME3 will do as well as expected, between ME2 and DA2 there's a fair number of RPG players who are now alienated. Keep in mind, depending on which source you like, ME2 only sold either 1.6 million or 2.5 million units.

I strongly suspect that Star Wars is not going to do well, judging from the word of mouth and Bioware's complete lack of experience in any Open World design or MMO design. I suspect it'll be like Star Wars Galaxies, good initial sales, very high drop rate.

Following that, I suspect that EA will fold Bioware as they didn't buy them for their RPG sales, Bioware's sales aren't all that amazing, they bought them for Star Wars.

I suspect EA may also fail next year. I don't expect the new Command & Conquer to do well, and if the NFL lockout persists, EA's only real money maker is gone. Combine that with the expense of not only Star Wars, but their unnanounced MMO, and you've got an incredible cash burn rate at a studio that generally isn't well known for good quality games any longer.

It's going to be an interesting 12 months.

[Volourn]

" Keep in mind, depending on which source you like, ME2 only sold either 1.6 million or 2.5 million units."

L0L Making up numbers is so cool. I'll play too! ME2 sold 25.4235M copies!!!

[lady constance]

OP, even suggesting such horror is blasphemous.

[johook213]

I hope there are many more Dragon Age games released.

[Dark Specie]

Gatt9 wrote...
I don't think ME3 will do as well as expected, between ME2 and DA2 there's a fair number of RPG players who are now alienated. Keep in mind, depending on which source you like, ME2 only sold either 1.6 million or 2.5 million units.

Isn't ME the strongest title do far, AFAIK? That said, ME3 is done by another Bioware team, has been in the works longer than DA2 was (AFAIK, anyway) and is done by another Bioware team, one that people seems to have some degree of confindence in after ME2. Now, while ME2 discarded some of the things from ME1, just like DA2 dropped some things from DAO, there is still a general consensus that ME2 was well-done enough and managed to be a worthy successor. So, all in all I don't think DA2 will affect people's faith in ME3 much, althrough the possiblity exist - Still, I'd say that any cautiousness regarding Bioware's games is going to be directed at whatever comes after ME3 & TOR.

Anyway - I don't think this'll be the last of the Dragon Age franchise - We haven't even seen any DLC or an expansion for DA2 yet, for one thing!

[Boiny Bunny]

^ Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that DA:O sales are as follows:

Console total: 3.2 million units
PC: More than either of the console versions individually, so minimum of ~ 1.6 million.

Total: Minimum of 4.8 million.

That puts it leagues ahead of Mass Effect 2 and any other Bioware game ever made.

[MonkeyLungs]

z Blitz wrote...

I don't understand why so many of you are SO disappointed with DA:2. I thought it was refreshing. DA:O was much like ME1 in my opinion. GREAT game, but the game play was so freaking slow. 

I prefer DA:O to DA2. I prefer ME1 to ME2. And not out of a sense of nostalgia, I always play ME1 prior to a ME2 playthrough. I just like the first game more.

I also think DA2 combat is too fast and I would love a COMBAT SPEED SLIDER TO  slow it down.

I don't hate any of these games.

I do think Bioware is horrible at QA/Testing and their customer service is pathetic.

[sheppard7]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Heh, I created a thread waaaaaaaaaaaay back about the signature edition being a ploy to make people pre-order, before they revealed how bad the game was going to be by actually showing combat etc.

Anybody who pre-ordered the signature edition more or less did so because:

1) They like Bioware games
2) They like Origins
3) They wanted cool items etc. in DA2

But when everybody was preordering the signature edition, we all knew next to nothing about DA2 itself.

At any rate, everybody thought I was nuts, and was being a conspiracy theorist etc.

It just didn't seem right - having an edition which you had to pre-order before a certain date, in order to get a bunch of extra content, and that cut off date being before they actually reveal anything substantial about the game.

Good marketing ploy though.

When I first heard about the Signature Edition, I didn't even like DAO. The mage prologue I just thought was too boring and when I got the mission to escort Duncan to his room and couldn't turn down that mission, I ejected the disk out of my 360 and never put it back in. Then a family member said to try the Dalish Elf or Human Noble origin and I was hooked but too late to get the Signature Edition preorder.

But I was thinking the Signature Edition would be available after release only 20 dollars more by the "20 dollars worth of content" line while those who preordered got it as a free upgrade. Since that was not the case, you were not nuts or being a conspiracy theorist.

[Dark Specie]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

^ Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that DA:O sales are as follows:

Console total: 3.2 million units
PC: More than either of the console versions individually, so minimum of ~ 1.6 million.

Total: Minimum of 4.8 million.

That puts it leagues ahead of Mass Effect 2 and any other Bioware game ever made.

Sorry, I don't have ME's sales figures, as such, but from what has been said, I believe the sales are more "mainstream" than DAO's sales has been so far...

[lady constance]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

z Blitz wrote...

I don't understand why so many of you are SO disappointed with DA:2. I thought it was refreshing. DA:O was much like ME1 in my opinion. GREAT game, but the game play was so freaking slow. 

I prefer DA:O to DA2. I prefer ME1 to ME2. And not out of a sense of nostalgia, I always play ME1 prior to a ME2 playthrough. I just like the first game more.

I also think DA2 combat is too fast and I would love a COMBAT SPEED SLIDER TO  slow it down.

I don't hate any of these games.

I do think Bioware is horrible at QA/Testing and their customer service is pathetic.

I thought I was the only one!

[Boiny Bunny]

Dark Specie wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

^ Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that DA:O sales are as follows:

Console total: 3.2 million units
PC: More than either of the console versions individually, so minimum of ~ 1.6 million.

Total: Minimum of 4.8 million.

That puts it leagues ahead of Mass Effect 2 and any other Bioware game ever made.

Sorry, I don't have ME's sales figures, as such, but from what has been said, I believe the sales are more "mainstream" than DAO's sales has been so far...

If I recall correctly, ME2 sales (all platforms) are currently sitting around 3 million.  Admittedly, the PS3 version hasn't been out for long, but sales on the PS3 have been pitiful - not because it's a bad game, but just because everybody who really wanted to play ME2 already had by the time it came out.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by saying ME sales are more 'mainstream' however.

From everything I've heard, ME2 is Bioware's best received game critically speaking (i.e. in terms of GOTY's etc and general hype), but Origins far outsells it.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 30 mars 2011 - 02:16 .

[WoahitsMuna]

It better not be the last one! i absolutely love the dragon age games, and i will be so upset if they chose not to make a new one!

[Melca36]

I have no doubt there will be a DA:3

[DiatribeEQ]

If the Star Wars MMO is successful (seriously, they've put over 300 million bucks into it so far), we'll see more stuff from Bioware (of all types). If it tanks, Bioware will be broken up and what sold well, will see 14 more sequels, the rest, forgotten.(re: think about your yearly Madden updates & the miniscule improvements in the game/roster, but released every year. big whoop, eh?)

[DhammaWings]

I can't help think DA2 was rushed to market. Duplication of areas, same textures used for rocks, walls, and other details make me think it's a rush job. I like the game well enough (not as well as DAO), but I wonder if it was rushed because The Witcher 2 is coming soon, The Elder Scrolls Skyrim after that. Perhaps BioWare thought they would lose market share if they waited until properly finished.

My guess is we will see DA3, but it won't be for several years. I think BioWare wil focus efforts elsewhere.

Modifié par DhammaWings, 30 mars 2011 - 02:30 .

[Volourn]

"Origins far outsells it."

nO. nO, IT DOESN'T.

[Agamo45]

The ridiculous cliffhanger ending was obviously just setting the stage for DA3, so no.