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#76
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Dubya75 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

The difference is in the intention, the aim, the goal, why start a thread just to try to bring the game down just because you may not like it? Constructive criticism is fine but most of it is far from that. Most of these threads are not started with the intention of improving the next game, some possibly are.


Then why advocate the hypocrisy of picking a side when both sides do it. Posting an outside review of the game is different to leaving your own feedback in the CC. This topic started as an outside feedback which is something that would not be in the CC by the forum users.  Within 4-5 posts the (templars) as I call them leaped into offensive mode. This thread was started with correct intention of linking a review (from an outside source) whether or not you like it is why this has turned into same as the rest a templar / mage war. Just like posting a good review some mages jumped in as you templars have done now. I don't use the word fanboy or hater because every single person on these forums is a fan else they wouldn't even be here.


Thank you for putting that into perspective for the templars! ;)


Likewise for the "mages"! ;)

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_LordKain_ wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

The difference is in the intention, the aim, the goal, why start a thread just to try to bring the game down just because you may not like it? Constructive criticism is fine but most of it is far from that. Most of these threads are not started with the intention of improving the next game, some possibly are.


Then why advocate the hypocrisy of picking a side when both sides do it. Posting an outside review of the game is different to leaving your own feedback in the CC. This topic started as an outside feedback which is something that would not be in the CC by the forum users.  Within 4-5 posts the (templars) as I call them leaped into offensive mode. This thread was started with correct intention of linking a review (from an outside source) whether or not you like it is why this has turned into same as the rest a templar / mage war. Just like posting a good review some mages jumped in as you templars have done now. I don't use the word fanboy or hater because every single person on these forums is a fan else they wouldn't even be here.


Thank you for putting that into perspective for the templars! ;)


Likewise for the "mages"! ;)


Screw all of this. I'm following the frakking Qun.

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I don't recognize DA2 in this review. I think my copy came with the glitch that makes the game awesome. Good read, though! Thnx for posting link for us.

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LOL, OK let's just put this into some perspective. Go watch any Two Worlds II youtube clip and you will realise that actually, Dragon Age II is pretty damn good in terms of animation and playability.
My opinion.

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shaneho78 wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

The difference is in the intention, the aim, the goal, why start a thread just to try to bring the game down just because you may not like it? Constructive criticism is fine but most of it is far from that. Most of these threads are not started with the intention of improving the next game, some possibly are.


Then why advocate the hypocrisy of picking a side when both sides do it. Posting an outside review of the game is different to leaving your own feedback in the CC. This topic started as an outside feedback which is something that would not be in the CC by the forum users.  Within 4-5 posts the (templars) as I call them leaped into offensive mode. This thread was started with correct intention of linking a review (from an outside source) whether or not you like it is why this has turned into same as the rest a templar / mage war. Just like posting a good review some mages jumped in as you templars have done now. I don't use the word fanboy or hater because every single person on these forums is a fan else they wouldn't even be here.


Thank you for putting that into perspective for the templars! ;)


Likewise for the "mages"! ;)


Screw all of this. I'm following the frakking Qun.


I think of the Qun as EA though. Powerful/Imposing but seperate from the Chantry (Bioware) and follow/think in general a different approach and route to things. Qun aka EA tend to be more inclined with sports, action genres (beliefs) as opposed to Bioware aka Chantry are RPG.

My belief which hasn't changed because what I like and dislike isn't really up for debate as no-one can change what another person likes or not by arguing with them, is that DA2 isn't my kind of game after playing it couple times (once rogue-good guy approach) and (once mage-bad chick approach). It is my personal preference that I do not like framed narrative games and 'to me' such themes seem more inline with JRPGs and adventure/action games than RPG, which goes (imho) against what Bioware has always stood for to me which was cause/effect choice/consequence large expansive worlds with great story added in.

DA:O was made by similar thinking mind to my own gaming wise by Brent Knowles for people like him (and myself since that's what I liked). But I don't base my judgement's on DA2 because it's not DA:O 2 I simply base it on do I like it, what do I like about it and not like. For me it ticked more dislike than like boxes that's all.

I like the graphics quality improvements (not to be mistaken for liking duplication of maps and small scale world to explore but more in sense character and textures improvement), I liked the music especially the adding of the Liar track at end of the game related very well to the plot of the game and felt complimented the tone of the story with the lyrics. I even liked the combat not including the waves or mobs, but the fluidity of it (even though lacked the pure raw power of some of the spells from other games including DA:O).

I did not like the 'framed narrative' plot limiting the choices to a very linear progression with choices being more linked to how you say something not what it accomplishes. I didn't like the re-use of maps and found technical limitations just an excuse for time restraints. A toolset doesn't bother me because I chose to buy on console even though I could use on PC like I do for Witcher and more. I also did not like the using awakening as a basis for companion interaction (they are the same in sense all party members become background noise and you cannot speak to them while out and about yet give you occasional quests to further their story only).

I don't like not being able to decide what my members wear (personal taste as something I like in CRPG genre as opposed to action games and JRPGs), if I want my 'team' to look like the A-Team or Batman and Robin it adds entertainment value for me. Also the issue of each act getting smaller quest wise with act 3 being half the size as 2 and 2 being 3/4 size of 1 on top of an ended which felt pushed on me too harshly like if wished to pick the middle option in a certain conversation and then NPCs repeating a phrase and then giving the choice once more minus the middle option, this was re-occurring I felt through the whole game in many quests if not all which again is because of 'framed narrative' that I don't like.

The Quests in DA2 felt like this to me for most part while there was some nice ones I will gladly admit the majority felt 'cheap' I guess not helped with big giant pointers telling you exactly where to go on all of them turned it into a shopping list or tick sheet rather than RPG (personal opinion).

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Then there are the constant freezes on my PS3 only when playing DA2 (some people get bugs some don't but I do with this game as do many others) and other bugs/glitches which gave me the increased impression of being rushed to retail.

So I gave it a 6/10. Does that give templars the right to say I'm wrong all the time or have bad taste? Because they do and according to a lot to them I'm a 'hater'. The same goes for these reviews because someone didn't agree with the score compared specifically to what they scored it as all of sudden if becomes a conspiracy against the Chantry. The reviewer didn't like it, you may not like DA3/ME3 but I'm not going to attack you all the time for it.

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Wintermist wrote...

I played through Dragon Age: Origins many times over, but I started Dragon Age 2, 3 times, and still haven't finished it. That tells me something is not as good as it used to be. I can relate to this review.

The way Wired describes it, the side-quest changes seem very similar to what was done with Mass Effect 2.

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I still have no idea why people use (x) review from (x) critic as an absolute. All of it is an"opinion" of the reviewer. To really drive this point home ..

A panel of reviewers got together to review a certain movie a few years back. This movie which they personally did not agree with "at that time" and dismissed it all-together.The fans however had different opinions . Some hated the idea of this film others fell in love with it.The more time that passed and the more this film caught on with the general public actually had the critics re-review the film. They changed their initial rating because of how much of a phenom this film actually was. The film was non other than .....


Star Wars : A New Hope

Granted this is an extreme example. I like using extreme examples because it gets the point across. My point exactly is this. The initial reviews are opinions and very subjective. Whether they are positive or negative reviews the same applies. Now more than ever if say 100 haters of the game who in real life are very vendictive individuals think they have a way to "adjust" the numbers on a particular site to more favor their cause. They can effectively make many many accounts on that site ( per person ) and enter whatever data they wish. Since the site itself is not tracing IP adresses or requireing individual purchases of the product per account, They can effectively get away with this tactic on a mass scale.

So since the reviews are opinions and the site scores are in fact being manipulated on a mass scale what is exactly a "fair / objective review " ?

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Guess they didn't write their own review this time.

Reviews are all over the board on this one, they mean very little to me, I've played it a few times, I have my own score, and it isn't great, that means more to me than anything else.

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I feel like if they had spent a couple more weeks or even a month on bug testing and fixing, the game would have been much better received.

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Bioware has been dropping the ball. ME2 DLC that was put out today is bad that I can't even bring myself to finish it. I think the EA influence is now complete.

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Chaos_1001 wrote...
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So since the reviews are opinions and the site scores are in fact being manipulated on a mass scale what is exactly a "fair / objective review " ?

I don't think there's any debate that, even in the absence of any external incentives, reviews are inherently subjective. The only thing that people can comment on is whether they agree or disagree with a review. Calling people that write reviews or post their opinions on them "fanboys" or "haters" (not saying you did this) is just irrelevant and kind of a waste of time.

Modifié par Obadiah, 29 mars 2011 - 04:46 .


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There is something wrong with the article. When writer write this:

Every job and task in Dragon Age II is a crash course in boredom.

None of the quests are that interesting.

This is not true, not every "quest" is booring, some of them are very nice. It basicly shows the attitude of the writer, behind the article. Don't get me wrong, there is fine critism in article too, but this isn't neutral article, it's from someone who just doesn't like the game.

Modifié par Lumikki, 29 mars 2011 - 05:03 .


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Oh wow, they called Origins "sprawling". I guess this is the kind of guy that could get lost in a phonebox. If you compare the size of RPG worlds, Origins wouldn't even be in the top 1000. It's incredibly small, whether you compare it to WRPGs or JRPGs. I don't mind people preferring either game to the other, but the reasons people really rave about Origins while hating DA2 often seem crazy. 

One of the biggest complaints is how it's all in one city and the dungeons are repetitive - well that's exactly the case for Persona 4 which only had about 5 dungeons and was set entirely in a few screens of one town. Wired gave that game 100/100. It really is comical, this irrational nerdy backlash. Wired said of Persona 4 "The truly stunning thing about Persona 4 is that it just doesn’t have any glaring flaws" but when DA2 does it all in one city (far larger and more developed than the town in P4, if you can believe that) and has more dungeon types it's "The world of Dragon Age II is extraordinarily small, largely confining you to a few districts of Kirkwall that you must visit ad infinitum". Stay classy, biased fanboys!

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

Its funny how the reviews we agree with seem more objective to us and less 'bought' than others...

Not really, X-play (whom I trust for all gaming info & reviews) gave Limbo & Okami tons of love that I felt was unwarrented (becuase I do not like those kinds of games) yet they gave DA2 a 3/5. It just goes to show that they at least don't sell out, & are mostly unbias.

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Man ohh man... say it ain't so :(

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Lumikki wrote...

There is something wrong with the article. When writer write this:

Every job and task in Dragon Age II is a crash course in boredom.

None of the quests are that interesting.

This is not true, not every "quest" is booring, some of them are very nice. It basicly shows the attitude of the writer, behind the article. Don't get me wrong, there is fine critism in article too, but this isn't neutral article, it's from someone who just doesn't like the game.


Every review incorporates thing's they like or dislike about the game that's what a review is though. Else it just becomes technical data akin to numbers and figures which is something you cannot fairly expect someone to give a score or rating on. It's no different than anyone saying to someone who gives it a high score (or any score) "your not neutral because you liked the game" it goes both ways and without an opinion on it they cannot give it a score (imho) it just becomes a game of top trumps with this game has (x) amount of <insert item> and (y) has more of that item so (y) is better and deserves higher score...

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 mars 2011 - 05:15 .


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Such a great review.  These are very accurate and percise reviewers.  I guess we can conclude this is one of the worst RPGs ever released if we go by Wired. 

/end_sarcasm

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Of course it goes both ways. I never sayed it did not. How ever, I'm saying that person did show the attitude. Problem with like a lot and not like at all, is that person goes extreme. Meaning everyting is fine or everything is bad. This is never the case with features. There is allways good and bad in everyting. If person can't see both, good and bad, then they aren't neutral. To really write good review you need to be as neutral as possible.

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If you read the text, it's presented as a 9/10 game. If you just look at the score, it's clear he's on the tear soaked bandwagon.

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Lumikki wrote...

Of course it goes both ways. I never sayed it did not. How ever, I'm saying that person did shows the attitude. Problem with like a lot and not like at all, is that person goes extreme. Meaning everyting is fine or everything is bad. This is never the case with features. There is allways good and bad in everyting. If person can't see both, good and bad, then they aren't neutral. To really write good review you need to be as neutral as possible.


That review is not biased anymore than any other. He's says likes the combat, likes the visuals, likes the narration, didn't like the quests, found it boring personally and few other things. He states what he thinks is good and what he thinks is bad. This matches your criteria or neutral in that he states both sides. The rest is personal opinion but all review are. Your coming across like so many in here calling it nonsense because you don't agree with the score and wording. That's just how it comes across.

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sheppard7 wrote...

Bioware has been dropping the ball. ME2 DLC that was put out today is bad that I can't even bring myself to finish it. I think the EA influence is now complete.


Arrival is bad? Say it ain't so!!! I've been so eager to get my greedy paws on that one after the greatness that was LOTSB! :(

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That review is nice and completly like other reviews. But 5/10 is a bit low, I would have given 6-7 at least.

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sheppard7 wrote...

Bioware has been dropping the ball. ME2 DLC that was put out today is bad that I can't even bring myself to finish it. I think the EA influence is now complete.


Saves me some money anyway. It probably won't be up on PSN till tomorrow.

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Finishing the Qunari saga just now, I'd give it a 5/10 so far as well. Bored out of my mind and not at all immersed.

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Dubya75 wrote...

LOL, OK let's just put this into some perspective. Go watch any Two Worlds II youtube clip and you will realise that actually, Dragon Age II is pretty damn good in terms of animation and playability.
My opinion.


I just played Two Worlds last night, and it is just inferior in every way.   I think a lot of people are just raging on how it isn't the same as DA1.   DA2 may not be as good as ME2, or DA:O, but in my opinion it is on par with the other bioware games for sure.   They just need to make Merrril a little hotter.   :)