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[AkiKishi]

aftohsix wrote...

 Crazy!!  Did you know Mass Effect 1 is selling worse than Crysis 2 as well!  ZOMG WHAT CAN THIS MEAN?!

Did you know Sucker Punch sold more tickets than Inception at the box office this weekend?  I know right?

Did you know 2011 Chevy Silvarados are selling better than 1968 VW Beetles these days?  What is going on?

Economics.  How does it work?  Please to tell me?

Nice rant, but DA is outselling DA2 in some places. How does that work exactly?

[aftohsix]

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

 Crazy!!  Did you know Mass Effect 1 is selling worse than Crysis 2 as well!  ZOMG WHAT CAN THIS MEAN?!

Did you know Sucker Punch sold more tickets than Inception at the box office this weekend?  I know right?

Did you know 2011 Chevy Silvarados are selling better than 1968 VW Beetles these days?  What is going on?

Economics.  How does it work?  Please to tell me?

Nice rant, but DA is outselling DA2 in some places. How does that work exactly?

Hey Bob.  Why don't you try getting off your high horse to have a discussion with me just once.  FACT:  A game that just released on Tuesday outselling a game that came out two weeks ago isn't news nor is it a sign that the game it's outselling is doing poorly.

Modifié par aftohsix, 29 mars 2011 - 02:55 .

[Warheadz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

 Crazy!!  Did you know Mass Effect 1 is selling worse than Crysis 2 as well!  ZOMG WHAT CAN THIS MEAN?!

Did you know Sucker Punch sold more tickets than Inception at the box office this weekend?  I know right?

Did you know 2011 Chevy Silvarados are selling better than 1968 VW Beetles these days?  What is going on?

Economics.  How does it work?  Please to tell me?

Nice rant, but DA is outselling DA2 in some places. How does that work exactly?

It's simple.
The rule of awesome: People want it.

[Zem_]

CaimDark wrote...
What is it with DA fans hoping DA2 bombs because the game disappointed? Sure, Bioware rushed the sequel and it shows, but I like DA, and I don't want the series to disappear, which is exactly what will happen if it bombs.

Financial success would convince them they can rush the next one as well.  It wil be their new business model.  Here's the thing:  DA2 cannot possibly have cost anywhere near as much to develop as DA:O, which means it doesn't have to sell nearly as well to be considered a financial success.  So everyone comparing DAO sales to DA2 sales and thinking "Sales(DA2) < Sales(DAO)" means failure.... wake up!  It's just not the case. 

Hoping that DA2 bombs is hoping that the franchise either returns to its roots.. or dies.  Because for many a DA3 that gives us as shallow a development effort as DA2 will be, for many, the same thing as death of the franchise anyway.

[1000questions]

Warheadz wrote...

... My anti-virus or anything didn't notice anything. It even showed the "safe site" icon next to it on google...

You sure it's not a false?

Edit: Ran a scan and didn't find anything...

yeah it does, but it may be a false alarm , will check:unsure:

[byzantine horse]

The Angry One wrote...

DA2 has heavy flaws and EA's rushing is evident, but this "OMG LOW SALES ABANDON SHIP" attitude is getting silly, especially when you consider that digital download sales are yet to be counted.

And again. An fps outsells an RPG. I R SHOCKED.

Agree, if people are so passionate about the game that they litterally flood the forum in complaints about their dissappointment, wishing it to go really bad for the game is... well illogical. There really aren't that many choices out there if you are into RPG, not great RPGs anyway, and Dragon Age certainly has potential which Origins showed. If you like RPG games it is very weird to wish the life out of the DA series.

[AkiKishi]

byzantine horse wrote...

Agree, if people are so passionate about the game that they litterally flood the forum in complaints about their dissappointment, wishing it to go really bad for the game is... well illogical. There really aren't that many choices out there if you are into RPG, not great RPGs anyway, and Dragon Age certainly has potential which Origins showed. If you like RPG games it is very weird to wish the life out of the DA series.

How is it wishing ? Whether you acknowledge it or not that is the sales situation for DA2.

This reminds me of when the demo was released it went something like this.

"The combat sucks"
"It will be fixed in the game"

"The combat still sucks"
"Finish the game before you complain"

"The combat still sucks"
"You are a hater" 

At what point do you accept reality ?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 29 mars 2011 - 03:25 .

[Ostagar2011]

byzantine horse wrote...

Agree, if people are so passionate about the game that they litterally flood the forum in complaints about their dissappointment, wishing it to go really bad for the game is... well illogical. There really aren't that many choices out there if you are into RPG, not great RPGs anyway, and Dragon Age certainly has potential which Origins showed. If you like RPG games it is very weird to wish the life out of the DA series.

That's because people mistakenly believe that if they whine hard enough, BioWare will stop making mainstream teenage action garbage and go back to serious, tactical RPGs. This is a pipe dream. DA3 will - at best - see one or two of Origin's elements make a token comeback. At worst, there will be no DA3. People fail to understand this. They also hold BioWare to a much higher standard than say, Bethesda, because Bethesda long ago abandoned all pretences at being a developer of core RPGs.

[meteorswarm]

Bioware can learn Bethesda's RPGs' style.For example,a very huge world and its battle system.

[byzantine horse]

BobSmith101 wrote...



How is it wishing ? Whether you acknowledge it or not that is the sales situation for DA2.

This reminds me of when the demo was released it went something like this.

"The combat sucks"
"It will be fixed in the game"

"The combat still sucks"
"Finish the game before you complain"

"The combat still sucks"
"You are a hater" 

At what point do you accept reality ?

So just because YOU think that the game is bad I have to think the same way YOU think and think that the game is bad as well? Great logic. What is reality to you may or not be reality to someone else. That is the real reality and you can try accept it yourself.

I have never said that the game is the best in the world. But I like it, it's decent enough and worth my time and money for the fun I got out of it. Whether or not it sells bad is beyond me, except for the fact that decent sales make a third installment all the more likely.

What part of this argument that I don't get is when people go out of their way to say "this game sucks, look I have proof, it sells bad. In your face you who wrongly like the game, you are all bad and you all suck as much as this game does" and rub it into people's faces. Sure, the game doesn't sell as good as it probably could have given more development time. Bioware will be the first to know of the numbers, why drag out YET ANOTHER argument to invalidate other peoples' opinions? You don't like the game? Great, that's your opinion. I like the game? OH GOD NOW HELLFIRE UPON YOU!

That is the part I don't get. People evidently like Dragon Age, else there wouldn't be more than a shrug if the game went bad, but people instead complain constantly and berate eachother for thinking differently simply because they do care. Dragging these numbers forth 3 times a day in different threads along with a "Look I was right!" isn't really helping anyone, least of all you as you evidently like Dragon Age and I'd be surprised if you don't want to see a third game, all the while cheering when bad numbers arrive. There's no logic in it.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 29 mars 2011 - 04:16 .

[abaris]

CaimDark wrote...

What is it with DA fans hoping DA2 bombs because the game disappointed?

Easily answered: Sales numbers, money making and shareholder values are the only things speaking the corporate language. If a rushed and disapointing title fails to deliver, it might be, the next title isn't rushed and disapointing. It might also be, the next title doesn't try to appeal to a so called broader audience.

On the other hand, if it proves to be a money printing machine, chances are, the next title and all that follow will be button awsome.

Modifié par abaris, 29 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[Moirnelithe]

I'm hoping some new game studio will pick up where traditional rpg's left off. There are not many traditional rpg's coming out anymore (if any, not even DA:O is one imo), sounds like a nice niche market for a new company. Just have a look at the "rpg"genre in the Steam listing of games... nearly all of them are "action" rpg's. Plenty of room for traditional rpg's.

Here's to hoping....

[AkiKishi]

byzantine horse wrote...
So just because YOU think that the game is bad I have to think the same way YOU think and think that the game is bad as well? Great logic. What is reality to you may or not be reality to someone else. That is the real reality and you can try accept it yourself.

I have never said that the game is the best in the world. But I like it, it's decent enough and worth my time and money for the fun I got out of it. Whether or not it sells bad is beyond me, except for the fact that decent sales make a third installment all the more likely.

What part of this argument that I don't get is when people go out of their way to say "this game sucks, look I have proof, it sells bad. In your face you who wrongly like the game, you are all bad and you all suck as much as this game does" and rub it into people's faces. Sure, the game doesn't sell as good as it probably could have given more development time. Bioware will be the first to know of the numbers, why drag out YET ANOTHER argument to invalidate other peoples' opinions? You don't like the game? Great, that's your opinion. I like the game? OH GOD NOW HELLFIRE UPON YOU!

That is the part I don't get. People evidently like Dragon Age, else there wouldn't be more than a shrug if the game went bad, but people instead complain constantly and berate eachother for thinking differently simply because they do care. Dragging these numbers forth 3 times a day in different threads along with a "Look I was right!" isn't really helping anyone, least of all you as you evidently like Dragon Age and I'd be surprised if you don't want to see a third game, all the while cheering when bad numbers arrive. There's no logic in it.

You can think what you like but numbers are numbers.

We have had the excuses like

"It's only been a week" 
"It's only been two weeks" 
"Bioware games never sell well at first but do over time"

Bioware changed direction to make DA2 a "mass market" game with "mass market" sales and you don't see the logic in posting the low sales numbers?

[Seifz]

abaris wrote...

CaimDark wrote...

What is it with DA fans hoping DA2 bombs because the game disappointed?

Easily answered: Sales numbers, money making and shareholder values are the only things speaking the corporate language. If a rushed and disappointing title fails to deliver, it might be, the next title isn't rushed and disappointing. It might also be, the next title doesn't try to appeal to a so called broader audience.

On the other hand, if it proves to be a money printing machine, chances are, the next title and all that follow will be button awsome.

I don't think you really understand how this works.  If DA2 doesn't put up the sales numbers they're hoping for, there very well might not even be a DA3.  You're taking for granted that we'll get DA3 and that sales will only determine if BioWare has "learned their lesson".  That's not reality.

[KneeTheCap]

Does steam (or any other download service) release their sales figures? I think DA2 sold pretty well in steam...

[bill4747bill]

CaimDark wrote...

What is it with DA fans hoping DA2 bombs because the game disappointed? Sure, Bioware rushed the sequel and it shows, but I like DA, and I don't want the series to disappear, which is exactly what will happen if it bombs. Maybe it's a good think NPD has forbidden anyone from sharing their sales data with the media. With luck, it will help to to tone down the "COD sold 20 million, game X sold "only" 3 million in 2 months, game X is an epic failure!!!" mentality.

Maybe they think that if the game companies all go out of business a new one will magically appear that makes absolutely perfect games that every single fan likes every last element of?

[KnifeLife]

Lmao, I out of all my friends not one of them had bought it from amazon, so thats an extra 6 copies on the list

[KnifeLife]

Lmao,out of all my friends not one of them had bought it from amazon, so thats an extra 6 copies on the list

[abaris]

Seifz wrote...

I don't think you really understand how this works.  If DA2 doesn't put up the sales numbers they're hoping for, there very well might not even be a DA3.  You're taking for granted that we'll get DA3 and that sales will only determine if BioWare has "learned their lesson".  That's not reality.

No, I understand very well how this works.

But if DAIII was anything like DAII I can live with that risk. But that's hopefully not the end of the line for Bioware. Other games might be just a tick better if this fails to deliver.

And its the only reality or lesson to be learned. No outraged or dispointed fan can scream as loud as little green Ben Franklin.

Modifié par abaris, 29 mars 2011 - 04:32 .

[byzantine horse]

BobSmith101 wrote...

You can think what you like but numbers are numbers.

We have had the excuses like

"It's only been a week" 
"It's only been two weeks" 
"Bioware games never sell well at first but do over time"

Bioware changed direction to make DA2 a "mass market" game with "mass market" sales and you don't see the logic in posting the low sales numbers?

My reply was directed at you stating that it was "reality" that the game was bad and that I should "accept reality" which I refuse to do. I can't deny sale numbers - which didn't, I said that the game sells worse than it would have done with enough development time - and sale numbers obviously reflect how good a game is to some degree (On the flipside an average fps is most likely going to outsell a great RPG for example just due to the size of the possible consumer base).

Never did I say anything about the sale numbers being illogical. What I don't see logic in is to use them as a means to further invalidate other people's opinions, which you just did at me in your previous post. That is what I don't buy. Do you see me rub my opinion in your face and tell you how wrong and bad you are and that you should "accept reality" that your opinion is invalid? No? Then don't ****ing do it to other people.

[KnifeLife]

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

 Crazy!!  Did you know Mass Effect 1 is selling worse than Crysis 2 as well!  ZOMG WHAT CAN THIS MEAN?!

Did you know Sucker Punch sold more tickets than Inception at the box office this weekend?  I know right?

Did you know 2011 Chevy Silvarados are selling better than 1968 VW Beetles these days?  What is going on?

Economics.  How does it work?  Please to tell me?

Nice rant, but DA is outselling DA2 in some places. How does that work exactly?

Quite normal actually i done the same on mass effect, heard there was an amazing gamplay series and instead of starting on number 2 got the first one, people have proberly heard others say its good and then figured well i might aswell get the first before second, i no my cousin is

[PaulSX]

I am quite sure if DA2 sold more than 2M by the end of this year, they should have smile on the faces

[abaris]

suntzuxi wrote...

I am quite sure if DA2 sold more than 2M by the end of this year, they should have smile on the faces

At which prize?

Do you think if amazon sells at 49.99 other retailers can uphold 60?

[Maverick827]

I like how, if the stories are to be believed, EA tells BioWare to "streamline" the game or "try to attract the Call of Duty crowd," and then BioWare goes and writes a very avant-garde narrative for the world of video games.