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[Volourn]

This is silly. Signs are indicating that DA2 iss elling a smuch as DA1 despite having much less time, money, and effort put into it. It is very likely a financial success.


"DAO sold about 4.7 million and grows up continue"

LMAO

[Ostagar2011]

suntzuxi wrote...

I am quite sure if DA2 sold more than 2M by the end of this year, they should have smile on the faces

It will definitely make that. And that should be enough to at least break even on a 15 month development period.

However:
1) The dumbing down was intended to get the Call of Duty player - so target was >5 million.
2) If they had just sat on their ases and produced a graphically face-lifted Origins expansion under the 'Dragon Age 2' name, with one or two 'cool' new features, they would have got at least 3 million.
2) They lost tons of RPG fans by the genre shift to DAA2. No more blind pre-ordering of BioWare products on brand name alone. Loads of people who until DA2 were absolute BioWare fanboys, now fully paid up members of rpgcodex. Or at least wary of things like SWTOR and ME3 (when they probably shouldn't be).

Modifié par Ostagar2011, 29 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[Volourn]

You have no idea what their 'target' is. Stop making up random numbers.

the only thing BIO said is that their stated overall goal is to eventually make a game worthy of being a big boy of selling in the neighbourhood of 10mil copies. They've been saying that for years though - not just about DA2 - they said that prior to DA as well.

If I were to make a guess, the game will end up between 2.5-3.5mil copies like majority of BIO games and they'll be quite pleased with that espicially since unlike DA1 it took less to make.

R00fles!

[meteorswarm]

Overall,Bioware will die because of DA2 and SWTOR,and Bethesda will be the very very strong.
Bioware will disappear from then on.

[Volourn]

hahahahahaha

[Warheadz]

Volourn wrote...

This is silly. Signs are indicating that DA2 iss elling a smuch as DA1 despite having much less time, money, and effort put into it. It is very likely a financial success.


LMAO

You know, the only reason for that is the success of Origins.

[MyKingdomCold]

Plus, in his OP he compared the sales of DA2 to Crysis 2. Of course, Crysis 2 is going to sell more. It's being hyped a lot more and it's a shooter.

[Volourn]

"You know, the only reason for that is the success of Origins."

The only reasons for Origin's success is BG1, BG2, NWN, KOTOR, JE, and ME. Your point?

[AkiKishi]

byzantine horse wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

You can think what you like but numbers are numbers.

We have had the excuses like

"It's only been a week" 
"It's only been two weeks" 
"Bioware games never sell well at first but do over time"

Bioware changed direction to make DA2 a "mass market" game with "mass market" sales and you don't see the logic in posting the low sales numbers?

My reply was directed at you stating that it was "reality" that the game was bad and that I should "accept reality" which I refuse to do. I can't deny sale numbers - which didn't, I said that the game sells worse than it would have done with enough development time - and sale numbers obviously reflect how good a game is to some degree (On the flipside an average fps is most likely going to outsell a great RPG for example just due to the size of the possible consumer base).

Never did I say anything about the sale numbers being illogical. What I don't see logic in is to use them as a means to further invalidate other people's opinions, which you just did at me in your previous post. That is what I don't buy. Do you see me rub my opinion in your face and tell you how wrong and bad you are and that you should "accept reality" that your opinion is invalid? No? Then don't ****ing do it to other people.

You misunderstood. These were things that were clear from the demo.

Missing Auto attack people said that it would be in the full game and so forth.

There comes a point where you can't escape from reality anymore no matter how much you wish that were not the case.

In the case of autoattack that was the day before the US release.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 29 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[nopho]

Warheadz wrote...

Volourn wrote...

This is silly. Signs are indicating that DA2 iss elling a smuch as DA1 despite having much less time, money, and effort put into it. It is very likely a financial success.


LMAO

You know, the only reason for that is the success of Origins.

please do not feed the troll

[Korhiann]

Yes well I do believe more evidence would be in order before condemning DA2 to the fiery pits of failure. So unless someone can provide an overall view of sold units a cross all platforms I wouldn't pay this much attention.

[Galad22]

Seifz wrote...

I don't think you really understand how this works.  If DA2 doesn't put up the sales numbers they're hoping for, there very well might not even be a DA3.  You're taking for granted that we'll get DA3 and that sales will only determine if BioWare has "learned their lesson".  That's not reality.

Yes well who cares. If they don't actually make rpgs like they used to I am not interested in their mass market action rpgs, that are badly done.

If they go back to making proper rpgs, with good stories and which have more than combat in them, good for them. I continue support them.

But if they try to appeal to this mass market audience that don't actually care about rpgs, I don't see why I'd have any interest touching their products ever again.

[LTD]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Does steam release their sales figures?.

No and yes.  Steam offers a  " Which (steam-)games are people currently playing?" - chart. It doesn't provide full answers to any questions one might have, but it does help in painting the big picture. Notably, unlike guesstimations of Vgchartz and whatnots, these numbers are at least very accurate. DA II is currently ranked at  #25 out of 100 listed.



Dragon Age II
Current number of players: 2400    Daily peak: 3600


For comparsion, few other titles;

Civilization V:  15000, peak 16000

Empire Total War: 6300, peak 7000

Fallout New Vegas:  3800, peak 4600

Call of Duty Black Ops (single player mode) 6500, peak 7100

Mass Effect 2 1400, peak 1400

Dragon Age Origins+Ultimate Edition total around 1100 with peak of  1600

Modifié par LTD, 29 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[Deadmac]

meteorswarm wrote...

Have you ever heard the phrase "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched?". Games stay on the shelves for a really long-long time, so the company can generate enough revenue. Even though "Dragon Age II" may be falling now, price slashing, dlc, and other incentives will keep revenue flowing.

Unless we have an understanding of how BioWare measures success, we cannot definitively say what type of sales are good or bad.

Modifié par Deadmac, 29 mars 2011 - 06:32 .

[Ostagar2011]

Volourn wrote...

You have no idea what their 'target' is. Stop making up random numbers.

the only thing BIO said is that their stated overall goal is to eventually make a game worthy of being a big boy of selling in the neighbourhood of 10mil copies. They've been saying that for years though - not just about DA2 - they said that prior to DA as well.

If I were to make a guess, the game will end up between 2.5-3.5mil copies like majority of BIO games and they'll be quite pleased with that espicially since unlike DA1 it took less to make.

R00fles!

10 million is the sales target BioWare is aiming to achieve with its future releases, studio co-founder Dr. Greg Zeschuk has told VideoGamer.com.

Random numbers? why do you lie? If anything I was conservative >5m was also the target given by activision for MW2.

[AkiKishi]

Deadmac wrote...

Have you ever heard the phrase "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched?". Games stay on the shelves for a really long-long time, so the company can generate enough revenue. Even though "Dragon Age II" may be falling now, price slashing, dlc, and other incentives will keep revenue flowing.

Unless we have an understanding of how BioWare measures success, we cannot definitively say what type of sales are good or bad.

While games are on the shelves the retailer is not ordering replacements. Even if they do a "fire sale" to shift stock they won't order in great numbers afterwards.

Case in point not long ago a local place had 26 "left over copies" of Dead Space 2. They halved the price and sold most of them. But they never ordered more.

[Volourn]

You better read what he says agaian. And, read it very closely. Then one more time so you cana ctually understand.

Nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE in that does he claim that if DA2 doesn't sell 10mil copies it is a fialure. It should also be noted that he states that DA and ME wwere 'minor successes'. So.. by that logic, if DA2 sells aboutt he same it is a minor success too espciially since it was likely far cheaper to make.

Don't make stuff up and twist others' words.

Again, to be clear, nowhere does he claim that DA2 will be a fialure i if it doesn't sell 10mil.

By that logic, ME3 is alreayd doomed as a failure because it isn't gonna sell 10mil copies. And, DA, ME, and ME2 were all failures too. LMAO

[AkiKishi]

People make up target numbers just for fun obviously and don't really care if the target is met.

[Volourn]

Understanding words is much more difficult than reading them. YOU FAIL.

[Warheadz]

Bobsmith... Just give it up.

[LTD]

Deadmac wrote...

Have you ever heard the phrase "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched?". Games stay on the shelves for a really long-long time, so the company can generate enough revenue. Even though "Dragon Age II" may be falling now, price slashing, dlc, and other incentives will keep revenue flowing.

Counting the eggs helps a great deal though. Most people in the industry seem to agree AAA games make significant amount (70%-80% ) of total income  during the first few weeks following release.

[Zem_]

Ostagar2011 wrote...
1) The dumbing down was intended to get the Call of Duty player - so target was >5 million.

This is one of the more mis-understood comments from Bioware.  They are NOT trying to get ALL of the CoD audience.  This would be silly.  The only way to target the entire audience of an online multiplayer first-person squad-based military themed shooter is to make another online multiplayer first-person squad-based military themed shooter and COMPETE.  No one was expecting to make a fantasy genre CRPG and capture the first-person shooter crowd.  Anyone who thinks they were is living in a fantasy land of their own.

They were probably trying to target the small portion of the CoD playerbase that actually enjoys the single-player campaign.  Someone who likes that might be willing to try an action RPG.  I think Bioware could have saved themselves some trouble by claiming they were going after the Fallout/Oblivion fans instead.  I think DA2 has more in common with those than with CoD campaign mode. 

All DA2 needs is bullet time kill-cameras!

Arrow Time??

[cheesewhiz]

Volourn wrote...

This is silly. Signs are indicating that DA2 iss elling a smuch as DA1 despite having much less time, money, and effort put into it. It is very likely a financial success.


"DAO sold about 4.7 million and grows up continue"

LMAO

I don't believe that for a second. 

VGchartz is showing total worldwide sales for DA2 at about 920,000 over 2 weeks (360, PS3, PC). 

For comparison, DA:O lifetime sales are over 3,000,000 for combined xbox 360 and PS3 (no data on PC sales).  

So it looks like DA2 will be lucky to sell half of what DA:O did.

While it doesn't look like DA2 will be a financial failure, I'd hardly call it a financial home run. 

Compared to DA:O, its a sales failure. 

1 million in sales is modest. It's ok, but nothing to write home about. They might break even, they might not. I don't know what their in-house targets were and what their total costs were. 

Modifié par cheesewhiz, 29 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[Volourn]

You are making yup numbers again. It's really embarassing. But, yeah, next youa re gonna claim DA sold 20million copies. l0lz