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[didymos1120]

Otterwarden wrote...

the link to gamasutra does mention that the email came out Friday. 

Uh, yeah, that's when they informed people of the new policy. And that may even be the day NPD finally decided on that policy.  But neither of those support the claim that EA (or anyone else) went to NPD "a few days ago" and said "You stop that!"  

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 mars 2011 - 05:34 .

[cachx]

BobSmith101 wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...
Dragon Age 2 ranked very low on Amazon for weeks now.
"Amazon's numbers are off! It means nothing!"
Dragon Age 2 ranked very low on Steam sales charts nearly since release.
"Steam's numbers are off! It means nothing!"
Dragon Age 2 shown to be selling very poorly on VGchartz.
"VGchartz's numbers are off! It means nothing!"
...
At some point you have to give up your denial and accept this. That, or go full blown conspiracy nut. Yes, that's right. All these websites are showing false number because... because... they hate BioWare! Mwahahahaha! It's you against the world, and one day the truth will be set free!!!

I tried that line of logic earlier . I don't think some people are going to accept it until the day the lights go out.

Does that also apply for...?
-This review score is too high! EA bought off everyone!
-This user review score is too high! Bioware's janitor's neighbor wrote it! evil conspiracy!
-Laidlaw did this ! Gaider did that! end of the world as we know it!
-I heard somewhere that EA did... I read someplace that Bioware did... (no sources provided).
It seems to me that this denial-reality-crackpot theories go both ways.

Even if DA2 sales were going great, the people that didn't like the game would find ways to spin it into something negative., or turn to their favorite argument of choice "RPG are dying", "the majority is always wrong", "casual gamers are ruining my life", and so on.

[Cade90]

-This review score is too high! EA bought off everyone!

The problem is that a lot of companies stop sending preview versions to gaming magazines if they give one of their games an unfavourable rating.

I'm not even gonna talk about meta critic user score as anything under a 4/10 and anything over 8/10 is just ridiculous imo.

Sales numbers are the only truely reliable indicator of how does this game is perceived by the audience.

[UncleScrooge]

Cade90 wrote...

Sales numbers are the only truely reliable indicator of how does this game is perceived by the audience.

That's false.

Sales numbers show how much the game sold, not the perception of it after its been played.  Reviews and such do that, and then in turn they effect sales numbers going forward for the product and its sequels, which can also spiderweb into loss of sales (or gain depending if the reaction is positive or not) of other products by the same manufacturer.

Modifié par UncleScrooge, 30 mars 2011 - 08:46 .

[randName]

Cade90 wrote...

-This review score is too high! EA bought off everyone!

The problem is that a lot of companies stop sending preview versions to gaming magazines if they give one of their games an unfavourable rating.

Yes, that's probably the reason most early reviews are positive, and the negative reviewes (on any game) starts trickling in after 1-2 weeks.

Cade90 wrote...
Sales numbers are the only truely reliable indicator of how does this game is perceived by the audience.

Prior to playing it; not the actual worth of the game once you have played it.

I for one regret buying DA2 at this point, and would have preferred to wait, or not get it at all if I had understood what the game was, and wasn't.

[AkiKishi]

cachx wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...
Dragon Age 2 ranked very low on Amazon for weeks now.
"Amazon's numbers are off! It means nothing!"
Dragon Age 2 ranked very low on Steam sales charts nearly since release.
"Steam's numbers are off! It means nothing!"
Dragon Age 2 shown to be selling very poorly on VGchartz.
"VGchartz's numbers are off! It means nothing!"
...
At some point you have to give up your denial and accept this. That, or go full blown conspiracy nut. Yes, that's right. All these websites are showing false number because... because... they hate BioWare! Mwahahahaha! It's you against the world, and one day the truth will be set free!!!

I tried that line of logic earlier . I don't think some people are going to accept it until the day the lights go out.

Does that also apply for...?
-This review score is too high! EA bought off everyone!
-This user review score is too high! Bioware's janitor's neighbor wrote it! evil conspiracy!
-Laidlaw did this ! Gaider did that! end of the world as we know it!
-I heard somewhere that EA did... I read someplace that Bioware did... (no sources provided).
It seems to me that this denial-reality-crackpot theories go both ways.

Even if DA2 sales were going great, the people that didn't like the game would find ways to spin it into something negative., or turn to their favorite argument of choice "RPG are dying", "the majority is always wrong", "casual gamers are ruining my life", and so on.

Pre-embargo ? There is a case for that yes. Corruption is rife when it comes to getting your hands on early copies of the game.

Certain things are just set in stone. Like CoD sells 7 million on day 1. Even if thats a few mil off, that's still a success and no one could say otherwise.
Equally Pokemon selling 2.6 million in Japan first week. Even if you loathe pokemon , no arguing with those numbers.

DA2 is not doing great, you can tell from the lack of splash adds, I was very suprised when someone said it may not have even broken 1 million.
For a game that was designed to be main stream , this alone makes it a failure.

@person earlier who mentioned DA's sales jumped after 8 weeks, most likely the price dropped.

[abaris]

BobSmith101 wrote...

@person earlier who mentioned DA's sales jumped after 8 weeks, most likely the price dropped.

The price for DAII already dropped - by 15 percent - at amazon. And I'd like to see any retailer trying to compete by holding up the original 60.

[TcheQ]

Gatt9 wrote...

TcheQ wrote...

lol well if 700k sales is bad, what is good?

http://www.gamespot....id=m-1-58548218
 
http://en.wikipedia....ing_video_games

Today?

For a small company 1,000,000 units is a fairly decent figure.  For a company on the order of EA,  you're looking at 2-3 million for it to be acceptable and more to be good.

In general,  somewhere between 1-2 million is the break even point for a game today,  depending on some other factors like "Was an engine reused" and "How did the DLC sell"?

700k would be considered abyssmal for an EA product.  It's likely the game will break even,  but it won't be "Good sales".

A good point of reference would be your second link.  ME sold 2,000,000 and ME2 sold 1.6 million. 

Keep in mind though,  with that list,  things are different today.  In Diablo/Diablo 2/Baldur's Gate timeframe,  100,000 was break even (It was actually JE Sawyer who offered that information).  So BG was actually a blockbuster,  in contrast to the rest of Bioware's products that did just "good".

Seriously?  I would think they made at least $15-$25mil already.  In three weeks.

To actually compare at such an early stage, I think we would need to look at how many ME and ME2 were sold in their first three weeks, then extrapolate.

Maybe there is a successformula of profit=0.4*N_sales(first_month)*(1+exp(-(N_sales/months)) due to decreasing advertising costs delimited by the decreasing sales price.

meh

[exskeeny]

which vendor in DA2 can I pick up that Michael Jackson album?

[steve1945]

DA2 selling bad?

I sure hope it does. Nothing says "you have screwed up" like loss of sales.

[CRISIS1717]

So vgchartz has it listed under 1 million sales. That's pretty awful.

[Warheadz]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

So vgchartz has it listed under 1 million sales. That's pretty awful.

Does that include digital dl's?
If DA2 scored only ~1 million sales I am kind of glad and angry at the same time.

Glad that Bioware got what it deserved:devil:

Sad that I was one of those fools

Edit: Now just do me a favor and don't buy DLC.

Modifié par Warheadz, 30 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Zem_]

UncleScrooge wrote...

You do know that just a few days ago EA went to NPD and asked them to stop releasing sales data to the public and media and NPD has complied, right?  99% sure it's because DA2 sales are extremely lackluster and they dont want to ****** off stockholders further than what they currently are.  In other words, they dont want a THQ/Homefront incident.

Oh don't be ridiculous.  This is ONE game and not even a big one for EA compared to the way some of their other franchises sell.  They are no way going to stop reporting ALL sales figures because of DA2.

[Eclipse_9990]

Warheadz wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

So vgchartz has it listed under 1 million sales. That's pretty awful.

Does that include digital dl's?
If DA2 scored only ~1 million sales I am kind of glad and angry at the same time.

Glad that Bioware got what it deserved:devil:

Sad that I was one of those fools

Edit: Now just do me a favor and don't buy DLC.

This^ I'm glad the game isnt doing well maybe they'll learn a lesson. I'm just sad I got sucked into the hype.. 

Well atleast I learned a valuable lesson from all this. I'll probably never get sucked into the hype ever again! *cough* after Skyrim is out *cough*.

[Warheadz]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

So vgchartz has it listed under 1 million sales. That's pretty awful.

Does that include digital dl's?
If DA2 scored only ~1 million sales I am kind of glad and angry at the same time.

Glad that Bioware got what it deserved:devil:

Sad that I was one of those fools

Edit: Now just do me a favor and don't buy DLC.

This^ I'm glad the game isnt doing well maybe they'll learn a lesson. I'm just sad I got sucked into the hype.. 

Well atleast I learned a valuable lesson from all this. I'll probably never get sucked into the hype ever again! *cough* after Skyrim is out *cough*.

Me too. I'll never pre-order another game *cough* except L.A Noire *cough*


But seriously, does that include digitals?

[DTKT]

Warheadz wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

So vgchartz has it listed under 1 million sales. That's pretty awful.

Does that include digital dl's?
If DA2 scored only ~1 million sales I am kind of glad and angry at the same time.

Glad that Bioware got what it deserved:devil:

Sad that I was one of those fools

Edit: Now just do me a favor and don't buy DLC.

This^ I'm glad the game isnt doing well maybe they'll learn a lesson. I'm just sad I got sucked into the hype.. 

Well atleast I learned a valuable lesson from all this. I'll probably never get sucked into the hype ever again! *cough* after Skyrim is out *cough*.

Me too. I'll never pre-order another game *cough* except L.A Noire *cough*


But seriously, does that include digitals?

I dont think anyone has ever tracked digital sales.

[UncleScrooge]

Zem_ wrote...

UncleScrooge wrote...

You do know that just a few days ago EA went to NPD and asked them to stop releasing sales data to the public and media and NPD has complied, right?  99% sure it's because DA2 sales are extremely lackluster and they dont want to ****** off stockholders further than what they currently are.  In other words, they dont want a THQ/Homefront incident.

Oh don't be ridiculous.  This is ONE game and not even a big one for EA compared to the way some of their other franchises sell.  They are no way going to stop reporting ALL sales figures because of DA2.

You dont seem to understand the significance of this game failing and how it effects EA.  Let me break it down for you.

Dragon Age 2 doesnt sell as much as expected after massive ad campaign.  Bad.

Dragon Age 2 is so terribly terrible and the overwhelming consumer outcroud so loud and massive at the opening of 2011, the most important year in EAs history in terms of risk/reward, that consumers are now saying they will not purchase TOR and ME3.  Bad.

NFL lockout uncertainty means Madden 12 sales may be absolutely abysmal if it eats into the season according to EA.  Bad.

Stockholders see what NPD would be publishing about DA2s low sales and see all the rest of the above and start selling stock.  This eats money out of TOR and ME3s development and advertising (Madden doesnt need as much advertising or development) which only compounds the aforementioned problem of consumers losing faith and holding out on those games.

tl'dr You will be hearing MUCH MUCH more about who went to NPD and why in the coming weeks.  EA led the charge, because 2011 already was risky, and with the way 2011 has already started it may wind up being the year EA gets crippled.

PS- Also dont forget a couple lawsuits coming down the pike, including this one

http://www.neoseeker...ets-greenlight/

PPS- If you don't think EAs being cautious with every last penny already in anticipation of what could be impending financial disaster, wheres all the money for the NFS Shift 2's advertising?  Have you even heard of NFS Shift 2?  Think about that.  It's a small sign, but a telling one among many.

Modifié par UncleScrooge, 30 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Goodbye Dragon Age, you were awesome (Even without buttons.) The rush work and nostalgia goggles made two an average game, and now EA will pull the plug. I was really hoping for a dragon age 3.

[Warheadz]

I recommend that you people watch this. Isn't exactly DA2 related, but watch it for both the lolz and education.

http://media01.linke...36337ba0eee.jpg

Modifié par Warheadz, 30 mars 2011 - 06:25 .

[Chewin]

"I never pre-order again"

Riiiiight. We'll see in a few years when DA 3 arrives...

[abaris]

Warheadz wrote...

I recommend that you people watch this. Isn't exactly DA2 related, but watch it for both the lolz and education.

http://media01.linke...36337ba0eee.jpg

In how many threads exactly will you post this? I mean it already has its very own thread.

AngelicMachinery wrote...
 I was really hoping for a dragon age 3.

If its anything like DAII, I couldn't care less if there's a DAIII

Modifié par abaris, 30 mars 2011 - 06:31 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Warheadz wrote...

I recommend that you people watch this. Isn't exactly DA2 related, but watch it for both the lolz and education.

http://media01.linke...36337ba0eee.jpg

That was rather good.

[optimates0193]

abaris wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

I recommend that you people watch this. Isn't exactly DA2 related, but watch it for both the lolz and education.

http://media01.linke...36337ba0eee.jpg

In how many threads exactly will you post this? I mean it already has its very own thread.

AngelicMachinery wrote...
 I was really hoping for a dragon age 3.

If its anything like DAII, I couldn't care less if there's a DAIII

Thanks for the posting this link. I hadn't seen it before (which isn't shocking, considering how fast topics move around here). It was... depressing, in a good way.

[Aburai]

steve1945 wrote...

DA2 selling bad?

I sure hope it does. Nothing says "you have screwed up" like loss of sales.

 Pretty much, man. It doesn't help that the game was built to capitalize off of the success of Origins, either. That's what the musical composer for DA II says anyway, and I tend to believe him.

[Warheadz]

abaris wrote...

In how many threads exactly will you post this? I mean it already has its very own thread.

Does it? I am sorry, didn't know. Seems like many others didn't either, anyways.

Am I the only one who thinks that this forum is kind of... lacking? In terms of general forum features?