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[Warheadz]

Sebastian, just to point out, but if you want to skip those couple of parts it can be done. There are a couple of easy-to-install Skip Fade, Skip Deep Roads and Skip Ostagar mods out there. The Skip Fade mod even gives you the attribute points.

[Forst1999]

Both have things that improve replayability and things that limit it.
The Origins in DA:O for sure gave you the opportunity to create vastly different characters, exploring some new plot points every time. With the Arcane Warrior you had one interesting way to play more. On the other hand, the deep roads and the fade were much to long and repetive. Long segments with many fetch quests and boring battles are not much fun. The silent protagonist became deader each time you played: Just picking the dialogue option, not experiencing the dialogue.
DAII offers faster combat and shorter quests, so that even the not so good ones are over fast. The dialogue stays vivid. Bad thing is, you recycle the recycled areas even more, propably at some time you will be fed up with Kirkwall.
I'd say neither of them is better in terms of replayability. With both i'm pretty stuck with the decisions i deem right, maybe one experimental playthrough to see what could have been differently. Both have elements that stay fresh for several playthroughs and elements that might annoy you.

Modifié par Forst1999, 29 mars 2011 - 03:44 .

[Jman5]

DA2 is actually the first Bioware game I managed to complete a 2nd play through. With DA:O I made several attempts but I either quit near the end, or quit when I got to the fade.

In DA2 my first play through was a warrior doing Mr. Nice. The results left me a little annoyed at the choices I had made so I played again. This time I took the Rude/Jerk route and it was so much more gratifying. The story actually seemed to mesh better going this path which was interesting. Now I'm playing some more classes just to experiment with different builds.

[Cstriker01]

Wait for mods to make this better. I like the game a lot and I think in a lot of ways the combat (I only play on nightmare) is superior to Origins. I FELT like a champion (just beat the game as a mage), the new effects and speed of combat and animations are superior to origins and I really felt that I was the champion with every dismembered, frozen, bleeding corpse in my wake. I couldn't help but love that I felt powerful. Origins is FANTASTIC and I love the pace of the combat in it, it fit for the game, as does the pace of combat does for DA2. But I never felt really powerful in origins, it was a much slower process.

DA2's art direction was a plus too. It was neat to see the templars in armor that was pretty unique to them as well as the new pride demons. Hurlock and darkspawn I even liked too. Yes I love the original ones, but the new ones still fit with the art style.


However I have two issues:

First, character building is a big thing for me and I I wish they put more choices like origins and BG2 did. You just don't invest the same time into creating your intial character. Love the DA2 ability trees however.

Second, moar phat l00tz plz! I would like more weapon and armor models then they do have and more of them. Both origins and DA2 recycled a LOT of models. That needs some changing.

Many of these issues could be fixed with patches or sweet player made mods. Also, moar side quests plz too. That is not an issue that I have specifically with DA2 or origins. I just love side quests.

All in all, I am excited for more DLC. I have the Black Emporium (came with it) and I may buy Sebastians too...that is if it is worth it. Does anyone know?

[Finnigan McBonk]

SebastianDA wrote...

I'm probably about 35 hours in to DA2 and just starting act 3, and I'm already interested in replaying DA2 at least a couple times

Hehehe.... Do lecture us on replayability when you have yet to even complete the game ONCE.  Too funny! If I had a nickel for everything I was "interested in doing" and yet never ended doing.... I'd have a mansion in Hightown.

[Dark83]

errant_knight wrote...
The fade actually involved using your brain to progress, unlike the fade in DA2

Like any puzzle, once solved, the hardest thing to do the second time is to keep your mouth shut while somebody figures it out.

[OurSacrifice]

SebastianDA wrote...
I only played DA:O once, and as much as I loved it, I can't bring myself to replay the game aside from checking out the origins.  I think there is a few reasons for me:

Steam has me logging over 260 hours into Origins.  It's amazing and I'm shocked that you have zero interest in multiple playthroughs, but are already wanting to go through DA2 again.  Unless you're simply not a fan of RPGs and prefer the action/adventure genre.  In which case, I understand your stance.

[rubydog1]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Steam has me logging over 260 hours into Origins.  It's amazing and I'm shocked that you have zero interest in multiple playthroughs, but are already wanting to go through DA2 again.  Unless you're simply not a fan of RPGs and prefer the action/adventure genre.  In which case, I understand your stance.

Or maybe it's like a book. He can read it once and enjoy it, and then not be interested in reading it again. Regardless of the tweaks he might make to the story, the second effort isn't necessarily going to be any stronger or entertaining as the first trip through.

[konjusina]

What in the world is replayable in Dragon age except for two times with a Mage and melee so you have a different family member's with you.

I could not bear look at the reused maps/areas. The ending is the same thing, absolutely no difference, the waves of enemies between different normal, hard setting are pretty much more waves of dumb enemies spawning with more health.

No idea what is replayable about this game at all. Once you finish it you have seen it all.

[ashwind]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not quite to that extent, but thats why I found ME2 more re-playable than ME. Nothing to do with it being a roleplaying game I just really enjoyed messing around with different builds and liked the combat system.

I never actually finished more than 2 plays of ME2 (3 if you count NGP insane) but I did have a lot of fun messing around.

There was a point in there somewhere. People can replay games for different reasons.

QFT

DAO maybe more replayable for some while DA2 more replayable to others.

I have completed DAO 3x, DA2 once and not gonna do replays until the bugs are fixed, ME1 2x and ME2 3x.

BUT I spend more time playing ME2 than DAO + DA2 + ME1 because I save all the interesting maps in ME2 (Horizon, Collector Ship, etc) and played them for the combat alone for months.

So, no matter how solid a reason you think you have about which or what game is more replayable, it is only true to you 

:devil:

[Volourn]

"with arishok, or with high dragon. throwing multiple waves of enemies from sky or coming out of thin air is tedius for me than tactical or tough.

roaming endlessly in same places again and again zillion times is tedius process you know.

playing as mercenary and doing errands for any tom,dick or harry is kindof tedius too for me.

Apparantly I can save even a kitten in DA2 but the people who should matter most to me that is my family in the game... it seems I cant do a damn thing about it .... how replayable, enjoying and satisfying it can be... ! One can only imagine"

I have just one questuion: Did youn just describe DA1 or DA2? I'm not sure since it sounds exactly like both.

[Merilsell]

My re-playability of DA2 is called "console-commands" or "YouTube" for missed scenes (if there are any) Don't want to suffer through the same tedious waves of enemies in the ever same caves once again just to see them. But to each their own, I guess.

I still play Origins after a year and a half and love it, though.

Modifié par Merilsell, 29 mars 2011 - 05:00 .

[1000questions]

Volourn wrote...

I have just one questuion: Did youn just describe DA1 or DA2? I'm not sure since it sounds exactly like both.

You seriously dont know which I am describing Volourn ? <_<

I really dont remember arishok in DA:Origins nor resorting to running around or "kiting" as some call it in long battles in DA:Origins.

I would really appreciate if you can elaborate the reasons for your ambiguity !

[catabuca]

AlexXIV wrote...

I find it funny that you think it has higher replayablitly value when you didn't even play it once. I tell you after your second playthrough you have no reason to start a third.

I'm on run #3 at the moment, and already planning #4. So I have to respectfully disagree.

I feel the same as the OP. I loved DAO for the story, and I completed it twice, but I have a handful more characters in various states of completion that I just can't force myself to play through. The combat doesn't interest me, the long slogs are just that, slogs. It is possible to both like a game and also be aware of the aspects of it you do not enjoy.

I enjoy the combat in DA2 a heck of a lot more than Origins, and I'm having great fun building my characters. I never played a warrior in Origins as it simply didn't appeal at all, and most of my half-finished characters were rogues. In 2, however, my first Hawke was a mage, which I was hesitant to play since I didn't really enjoy it in Origins, and I loved every minute. Hawke2 was a DW rogue, which was at a completely different pace and made the same encounters feel completely different. Now I'm playing a 2H warrior, something I never thought I'd do, and I'm loving it. I expect my next Hawke to be a mage again, with different skills now I understand how to build a character better, and Hawke5 will be an archer.

The different romances, the friendship/rivalry system, the fact that people can leave, the way the ends of the acts can turn out differently, and the numerous builds for different Hawkes, all lends itself to a game that I will replay many, many times. 

[SilentK]

I agree with catabuca =) I've got two completed wardens and a 3:rd that's about 3/4 done. Don't think that he will be completed anytime soon. But I'm already playing my second Hawke and planning for a third. I'm having so much fun in DA2. I love having the friendship, rivalry system. That makes the game so much replayable for me, and having a voiced Hawke compared to the silent warden. I like the fact that the companions are tied to so many quests and that things can turn out so different. My husbands Hawke are seeing some things that I haven't seen with my Hawke. I have yet to do a Hawke who manages to get Isabella to 50 rivalry or friendship so that's something I want to try. I don't want to read any guides so I just sort of stumble through it all and just see where I end up. Ok that some areas are reused, I think that the new areas are so pretty with all the green ferns that I don't care. But that's just me =)

I could easily see myself playing 6 different Hawkes just to see how it plays out differently with rival and romance and friendship with my companions. Good thing that I have at least two completed wardens so that it will be some difference in the background story =)

[Giggles_Manically]

Humm.....

Stare at the back of a moving statue that can telepathically transmit its thoughts to others... or see actual expression and emotion in a scene.... choices, choices, and drama oh my!

[akayasha]

Hmmm... I actually like the Fade in Origins and Orzammar as well. I don't think there's too much I can replay in Dragon Age II other than the classes, some decisions, and some quests. Most of the quests I wouldn't have redone anyway. Many things were kind of clear cut for me. The Landsmeet alone in Origins would have convinced me to replay it many, many times. That gave me serious headaches (in a good way); I was stuck between many decisions.

[Dark83]

rubydog1 wrote...

Or maybe it's like a book. He can read it once and enjoy it, and then not be interested in reading it again. Regardless of the tweaks he might make to the story, the second effort isn't necessarily going to be any stronger or entertaining as the first trip through.

I think you've put words to feelings I couldn't describe. Well done.

[Haexpane]

Interesting, because most people are saying Acts 2 and 3 of DA2 feel exactly like Deep roads... tiresome

[Aether99]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

For all the major and obvious flaws in DA2, and there are many, I was interested in replaying at well to see what differences there might be. In my case, this desire severely lessened halfway through the first act, and I had to take increasingly longer breaks between playing and such. So, for your sake, I hope you don't have the same experience.

I finished DAO 7 times, with 4 other play throughs at different levels.

just an example of human opinion nothing more.

i loved my first romp thru DAO, struggled thru the second, and cannot for the life of me play a third.

meanwhile i played thru DA2 twice easily, and am on a third currently.

[JabberJaww]

1000questions wrote...

keginkc wrote...

And the reason for that is that some areas of the game were so incredibly tedious on ensuing runs through the game that I would simply stop playing that haracter.

You dont find annoying,long boss battles tedius where your life saving tactic in battle is running around , take example duel with arishok, or with high dragon. throwing multiple waves of enemies from sky or coming out of thin air is tedius for me than tactical or tough.

roaming endlessly in same places again and again zillion times is tedius process you know.

playing as mercenary and doing errands for any tom,dick or harry is kindof tedius too for me.

Apparantly I can save even a kitten in DA2 but the people who should matter most to me that is my family in the game... it seems I cant do a damn thing about it .... how replayable, enjoying and satisfying it can be... ! One can only imagine
<_<

Jeez dude, calm down

He didn't bash DA:O... just listed the reasons he doesn't find it replayable for him.. and his points are valid. 

[Aether99]

1000questions wrote...

Volourn wrote...

I have just one questuion: Did youn just describe DA1 or DA2? I'm not sure since it sounds exactly like both.

You seriously dont know which I am describing Volourn ? <_<

I really dont remember arishok in DA:Origins nor resorting to running around or "kiting" as some call it in long battles in DA:Origins.

I would really appreciate if you can elaborate the reasons for your ambiguity !

i resorted to kiting once in DA2 to avoid myt ank from dying for the heal to come off cd.  i was laughing while i did it too.

as for th arishok duel, its just a blatantly miscalculated fight that needs adjusting.  it wasnt that it was hard, just long.

[Wulfram]

The main bonus to replayability for DA2 would seem to be the presence of a rivalry path. Unfortunately, for me this is limited by the difficulty I find in going down these paths without being a total jerk - except for Merrill, where the whole mechanic is basically made pointless because it all comes down to a single choice.

I got through Origins at least 8 times, plus a few incomplete runs and some alternate endings, so I guess DA2 has a fair amount to live up to. I'm currently on my 3rd run through, and still enjoying it - though the stupidity of "Best Served Cold" is a pain to go through..

[Demonhoopa]

SebastianDA wrote...

I'm probably about 35 hours in to DA2 and just starting act 3, and I'm already interested in replaying DA2 at least a couple times to try out other relatinships, and how the game progresses as a Mage, and to make some other decisions.

I only played DA:O once, and as much as I loved it, I can't bring myself to replay the game aside from checking out the origins.  I think there is a few reasons for me:

1.  Origins decisions overall were not difficult.  I don't believe I would have concluded the Circle quest with any different decision, or the Redcliffe scenario with any different decision, or the Landsmeet.  I suppose I could reload to view a dramatic scene or something, but since it's so easy to have a happy resolution of most issues I don't see the point of wanting to purposely make bad decisions.

2.  Deep Roads.  The first hour or so was fine, but it just dragged on and on.  I was so happy whenI finally got everything done down there that I said that I was never going to reply DA:O just for that long, drawn out experience itself. 

3.  Fade.  Once is enough for me on that too.  No wonder people modded the game to skip it.

So far in DA:2 I haven't noticed any required, drawn-out meandering quest that kept me stuck underground for 12 hours.  So, thus far I haven't had any moments where I was so bored/annoyed that I made a note to myself not to replythe game. 

Just my opinion, and I am a fan of DA:O or I wouldn't have bought DA:2, but DAO wasn't all roses and sunshine for me.

 

My feelings exactly. You forgot that stupid Wherewolf dalish storyline. I beat the game twice and started a 3rd playthrough but cannot bring myself to go back to the Brazilian Forest. Just kill me.

[Demonhoopa]

1000questions wrote...

You create a topic stating DA2 is more replayable than DA:O and then you bash DA:Origins while also claiming you are fan of DA:O ....

Just another topic to rant, take a dig or bash DA:Origins just to make DA2 look better.

Failed Attempt.

Disagreed

Wait, he's out of line for making a pro Dragon Age 2 thread on the DRAGON AGE 2 FORUM? What color is the sky in your world?