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[Zubie]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

They are, if you let the Reapers come and watch the cutscene.

I wonder if that was just some sort of joke for them to say "but they are in the dlc!" 

Modifié par easygame88, 30 mars 2011 - 05:04 .

[James2912]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

I agree with Fiery Pheonix. A lot of people on these forums are very predictable Alien=good
Human=bad. Put Jacobs character into a Drell and he would have a steady base of supporters. If TIM was an alien people would love him. If Ashley were a quarian people would writing love ballads in her honor!

What are you talking about? There's alot of Humans I love and hate. Just like how there are a lot of aliens I love and hate. It doesn't matter if it's an Alien or a Human, it all depends on the character. Enough of these sweeping generalizations.

Well then obviously the comment wasn't directed to you then was it?

[ADLegend21]

iakus wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

They are, if you let the Reapers come and watch the cutscene.

I guess they were telling the truth then, the VS was not forgotten

*headdesk*

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

iakus wrote...

Quole wrote...

WAIT. The VS has fans?

Suprisingly, yes.  Even ordinary people who excel at their jobs, deal with their own problems rather than have Shepard handle it for them, and aren't interstellar bad****es have fans

I dont believe you.

yeah not everyone has to go "Shepard, please Save me and solve all of m problems all the time!" Some peolpe actually solve their own problems and don't need Shepard to tell them how to live or use her as a sounding board for their talks of genocide and hate for synthetics. They're called human squadmates and they're good looking too.

No, instead Ashley hates all non-humans. I can see how thats a big upgrade from hating synthetics (which she probably hates anyway). If you ask me, the VS is the worst character in the series.... besides jacob.

really? Becuase she and Wrex get along fine in the elvators, her and Garrus too, they talk very cordially in those elevators. but Oh no she's worried that they might be spies AUTOMATIC RACISM!!!!! But a certain purple clad person ACTIVELY spouts hate speech about a synthetic life form and that's okay.

I agree with Fiery Phoneix that Alien=Cool Human= not cool. It's why Kaidan, Ash, Miranda, Jack, and Jacobhave ahters like Quole here.

I really didnt want to get OT here but...

Everyone hated the geth. EVERYONE. Tali was no exception. Remember, you only find out about Legion near the end of the game, so the whole hereitc/true geth issue was never even known to anyone.

Um Shepard has a dialogue choice where she tells Tali she's wrong, but she doesn't listen. Ashley and Kaidan however, they're open to contrusctive criticism.

You really want to go OT about this? Alright then.

Tali`s people are dying, forced to travel in broken down ships, are hated by the entire galaxy, cant return to their homeworld, and are forced to live in suits at all times are else they die. So Tali has every right to haet the Geth, not to mention Quarians are likely taught  about how `evil` geth are, so quarians would reasonably have a very obscurred perception of the Geth. Tali`s distrust of Legion is completely justified.

EDIT: Also, she still works with a geth despite all this.

EDIT: Considering that this has nothing to do with topic, I suggest we change the subject?

Modifié par Quole, 30 mars 2011 - 05:08 .

[Drake_Hound]

Ok I will troll a bit ...
So don´t go throwing a hissy fit .

But williams was there , and shepard killed willaims !!
And reinforcement arrived too late to save willaims .

[Chuvvy]

They never said they would?

[ObserverStatus]

James2912 wrote...

I agree with Fiery Pheonix. A lot of people on these forums are very predictable Alien=good
Human=bad. Put Jacobs character into a Drell and he would have a steady base of supporters. If TIM was an alien people would love him. If Ashley were a quarian people would writing love ballads in her honor!

James2912 is right, I've had it with this thread and it's anti-human bs!

[Iakus]

mrsph wrote...

It really doesn't help that Ashley uses excuses I've heard actual racists use IRL..

"IT isn't racism. It's patriotism!" That was a major, major get away moment for awhile.

She's ignorant, and suspicious.  But she is not malicious.  Heck if you listen to her, she's suspicious of humans too.  She tends to think the worst of anybody she doesn't know well.  Of course she's going to think that foreign governments will put their own needs ahead of the Alliance's!

She has a great line "A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist" 

But she ends up getting along with Tali, and Garrus, and even Wrex (assuming she doesn't end up shooting him)  She talks smack towards the Terra Firma representative.  She has no qualms whatsoever about working alongside the STG team on Virmire.  She encourages Shepard to comfort Liara after her mother's death as well.

People paint Ashley with too broad a brush, focusing in on what she says very early in the game, and not seeing the whole picture.  Same with calling Kaidan boring.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not a particular fan of the VS, but I don't glory in anyone's pain. It's unfortunate that they didn't get anything good in ME2.
However, in retrospect, this could have been inevitable, given the fact that they were, well, interchangeable due to Virmire. Perhaps they were only intended to be introductory Alliance characters all along. I kind of hope this isn't true, but... well, while it does suck for their fans, it could be seen as a reason not to make interchangeable characters. Or to become too attached to them, if possible.
I'm sorry.

That said, the whole "anti-human bias" thing some people are talking about is quite frankly ridiculous. And Miranda is the most popular romance.

[ADLegend21]

@Quole, I actually tied it bck into the topic since you know I talked about the Virmire survivor, so you bought it OT. Plus Tali still hates Legion despite him expressing no ill wil towards her. Especially sine Tali ADMITS the Quarians attacked first. As much as ashley is suspicous of aliens she would never STRIKE FIRST yet by expressing this concern she is labelled a racist even after her WRITER said that she is not racist, yes her WRITER, you can find it in the Ash thread.so before you call a character racist look at your own fave and her actions. Hell Kaidan is more "racist" since he's actually killed a turian before and called him "that dan turian" *sarcasm if you're wondering.

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

That said, the whole "anti-human bias" thing some people are talking about is quite frankly ridiculous. And Miranda is the most popular romance.

I don't think it's an anti-human bias.  It's an anti Vanilla bias.

Modifié par iakus, 30 mars 2011 - 05:16 .

[KainrycKarr]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here....it's quite possible Bioware has something big planned for them in ME3.

Or....well, to be blunt, maybe Bioware just plain didn't think they fit into the story this time around?

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 30 mars 2011 - 05:18 .

[Xilizhra]

Kaidan was screwed from the beginning. He has no personal introductory scene at all if you're a male Shepard, and the closest thing he's got for a female Shepard is being yanked into the beacon.
As for Ashley, her mild speciesism was either handled badly or there's a huge bias against that character trait, which I can't honestly say is a bad thing. I suppose she was just a crash-and-burn in the eyes of a large proportion of the fanbase.

[wicked117]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here....it's quite possible Bioware has something big planned for them in ME3.

This is what I'm hoping for. 

[AntiChri5]

What is the fanbases excuse for hyping themselves up for something BioWare never even hinted would exist, and which actually went against something BioWare had already said?

Modifié par AntiChri5, 30 mars 2011 - 05:24 .

[KiloSierra149]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here....it's quite possible Bioware has something big planned for them in ME3.

Or....well, to be blunt, maybe Bioware just plain didn't think they fit into the story this time around?

They will. People just have to be patient a couple more months.

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaidan was screwed from the beginning. He has no personal introductory scene at all if you're a male Shepard, and the closest thing he's got for a female Shepard is being yanked into the beacon.
As for Ashley, her mild speciesism was either handled badly or there's a huge bias against that character trait, which I can't honestly say is a bad thing. I suppose she was just a crash-and-burn in the eyes of a large proportion of the fanbase.

I still fail to see the hate for either of them.

Kaidan is calm and thoughtful, definitely the angel on your shoulder.  His stories of BAat were quite cool without being over the top (like Jack's backstory)  He's the poster boy for someone with a messed-up life and managed to overcome it.  I'd take him as a squadmate over Jack any day.  At least I could be sure he won't go on a killing spree with the crew.

Ash is flawed, yes.  But great characters often do.  Heroic tales are all about people who overcome them.  Tragedies are about people consumed by them.  Ash's bias lets her grow and develop over the course of the game until, in the end, she's more comfortable around aliens, and speaks out against extremists.  And may even advocate using the Alliance fleet to save the Council.  That's growth.

Untl ME 2 comes around, and she's "no fan of aliens' again...

Modifié par iakus, 30 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[wicked117]

@iakus
Some people just love to hate.

[Iakus]

AntiChri5 wrote...

What is the fanbases excuse for hyping themselves up for something BioWare never even hinted would exist, and which actually went against something BioWare had already said?

Just railing at the general unfairness of the universe.

And to be totally accurate, they just said the VS woiuld not be recruitable.  Nothing about them not making appearances.  Or even making good appearances

[ADLegend21]

Xilizhra wrote...

That said, the whole "anti-human bias" thing some people are talking about is quite frankly ridiculous. And Miranda is the most popular romance.

While Miranda maybe the most popular romance (I don't beleive stats because they say 80% of plyers play male Shep) there are huge signs that it is in fact true for most players. Kaidan's a whiner, but he tells Shep he's got his past squared away, yet Garrus complains about c-sec and his dad throughout ME1 and then his Omega team throughout ME2. Ashley's calle da racist for expressing concer about showing aliens vital alliance systems, and after heer writer came out and said she's not racist, but tali's allowed to advocate the genocide of a synthetic species who had been attacked by their creators and she's beloved and supported. Jacob doens't burden Shepard with his problems and deals with them on his won yet he's hated, douchy, and boring and yet he's the only Love interest that asks shepard how she feels about this entire mission abd being brought back to life. There is an anit-human bias, but it's not withstanding for everyone.

[Iakus]

mrsph wrote...

Which is essentially why I've never been able to bring myself to like Liara.

What are her flaws?

Depends on her incarnation.

ME1)  Shy, nerdy, overly naive about the "real world". 

ME 2)  Cold, obsessive, possibly crazed (in an I CAN KILL YOU WITH MY MIND! way) At least pre-LOTSB, where she gains a degree of maturity not seen in either game.