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[Siansonea]

Just finished playing Arrival. MAN I wish Kaidan was there with me. Solo combat is so Do Not Want.

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

look, since you want to take this way off topic put it in the Tali thread, shouldn't be too hard. This however is a discussion about the Virmire Survivor. since you refuse to talk about them in your post, don't post.

Ahh touche.` So bioware`s excuse for lack of VS int he DLC is that they never promised it the first place. There. This thread is now pointless.

Now we're talking. contrary to the "not being promised" what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

[James2912]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

look, since you want to take this way off topic put it in the Tali thread, shouldn't be too hard. This however is a discussion about the Virmire Survivor. since you refuse to talk about them in your post, don't post.

Ahh touche.` So bioware`s excuse for lack of VS int he DLC is that they never promised it the first place. There. This thread is now pointless.

Now we're talking. contrary to the "not being promised" what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

Good point! They have a lot of making up to do  with the VS in ME3!

[wicked117]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

look, since you want to take this way off topic put it in the Tali thread, shouldn't be too hard. This however is a discussion about the Virmire Survivor. since you refuse to talk about them in your post, don't post.

Ahh touche.` So bioware`s excuse for lack of VS int he DLC is that they never promised it the first place. There. This thread is now pointless.

Now we're talking. contrary to the "not being promised" what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

I Can not agree more with you on this. At this point in time we got nada 

[jeweledleah]

/adding fuel to the fire
/puts on flame retardant suit

you know I wonder about this hate, this vehemence for VS fans and VS themselves...
is it possibly born of fear? after all - these character used to be pretty central to the original game. one of them was the poster character, she was even part of the official trailer for Mass Effect 2. they had long built up romances, the most involved love scenes, you could even influence their outlook, and yet...here they are abandoned, squashed into one indistinguishable virmire survivor.

are you afraid that your favorite character will be next on the chopping block? after all, they can all die in suicide mission. are you afraid that inME3, they will suffer the same fate, appearing as cameos at most, possibly forced to dump you, to save on writing and voicing resources? are you scared? is that why you hate, because we are your future, except we still have this vague promise of some big role and a half of plot armor, why your favorites only have ME2?

is that what it is? does the bashing make you feel better, lets you push away some of that fear? does it?

[MassEffect762]

Money of course.

[CroGamer002]

They never promised VS in any DLC?

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

look, since you want to take this way off topic put it in the Tali thread, shouldn't be too hard. This however is a discussion about the Virmire Survivor. since you refuse to talk about them in your post, don't post.

Ahh touche.` So bioware`s excuse for lack of VS int he DLC is that they never promised it the first place. There. This thread is now pointless.

Now we're talking. contrary to the "not being promised" what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

IF they promised it and didnt fulfill that promise then i agree, however I dont ever recall them doing so.
May I see a link to where a dev promised this?

Modifié par Quole, 30 mars 2011 - 06:54 .

[Leonia]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

look, since you want to take this way off topic put it in the Tali thread, shouldn't be too hard. This however is a discussion about the Virmire Survivor. since you refuse to talk about them in your post, don't post.

Ahh touche.` So bioware`s excuse for lack of VS int he DLC is that they never promised it the first place. There. This thread is now pointless.

Now we're talking. contrary to the "not being promised" what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

They have roughly an equal number of lines of dialogue, whether you like what they say or not on Horizon is irrelevant. It's still fair, by the defintion of the word fair.

I don't know why the VS fans feel so entitled to have special treatment. Nobody promised you VS DLC, you have been promised a larger role for the VS in ME3.. what more could you want than that?

Honestly, it's like you all are unwilling to move on from ME1. We're up to the third game you guys, get with the program and move on. If you want more time with your ME1 love-interest, there's always fanfiction and fanart. You don't have to be so condescending and antagonistic towards anyone who isn't as overly obsessed with the VS as you are. 

And may I remind you guys, you ARE a minority of the ME fanbase. Shout and scream all you like but its only going to make you look foolish in the end.

[Dougy Fresh]

although they were not promised.....

I think it would have been pretty reasonble if Hackett said "instead of going solo"

Hackett- "Shepard, I need you to go in covert and find Dr. Kenson, rescue her, and find out the intel on the reapers. Also, Commander, this is a very delicate mission and I need someone I trust and with experience under you command. Thats also why im sending Kaidan Alenko/Ashley Williams in with you. I'll send you and Alenko/Williams the coordinates. Hackett out."

it would have been perfect... but ME3 will do

[Iakus]

leonia42 wrote...
They have roughly an equal number of lines of dialogue, whether you like what they say or not on Horizon is irrelevant. It's still fair, by the defintion of the word fair.

I don't know why the VS fans feel so entitled to have special treatment. Nobody promised you VS DLC, you have been promised a larger role for the VS in ME3.. what more could you want than that?

Honestly, it's like you all are unwilling to move on from ME1. We're up to the third game you guys, get with the program and move on. If you want more time with your ME1 love-interest, there's always fanfiction and fanart. You don't have to be so condescending and antagonistic towards anyone who isn't as overly obsessed with the VS as you are. 

And may I remind you guys, you ARE a minority of the ME fanbase. Shout and scream all you like but its only going to make you look foolish in the end.

My apologies for having an opinion contrary to yours.  I'll try to do better next time.

[ADLegend21]

leonia42 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

look, since you want to take this way off topic put it in the Tali thread, shouldn't be too hard. This however is a discussion about the Virmire Survivor. since you refuse to talk about them in your post, don't post.

Ahh touche.` So bioware`s excuse for lack of VS int he DLC is that they never promised it the first place. There. This thread is now pointless.

Now we're talking. contrary to the "not being promised" what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

They have roughly an equal number of lines of dialogue, whether you like what they say or not on Horizon is irrelevant. It's still fair, by the defintion of the word fair.

I don't know why the VS fans feel so entitled to have special treatment. Nobody promised you VS DLC, you have been promised a larger role for the VS in ME3.. what more could you want than that?

Honestly, it's like you all are unwilling to move on from ME1. We're up to the third game you guys, get with the program and move on. If you want more time with your ME1 love-interest, there's always fanfiction and fanart. You don't have to be so condescending and antagonistic towards anyone who isn't as overly obsessed with the VS as you are. 

And may I remind you guys, you ARE a minority of the ME fanbase. Shout and scream all you like but its only going to make you look foolish in the end.

Hmm, Us antagonizing? I honestly beg to differ. speaking for myself, Is tarted the series with AMss Effect 2 so I can't be "unwilling to move on from ME1" since that wasn't my first exposure. my first exposure to ashely and Kaidan was "you're a traitor" so I should have more right than anyone to hate them no matter what since I know how they act in the second game. do I? Nope because I see how they were in the beginning and I see how different they're treated when head writers change. Also, Liara had a side quest on Illium before LoTSB so that same amount of dialogue isn't true. This thread was asking why our characters weren't given a fair shake in ME2 and we get attaced a whiners and "self entitled" when we're just asking for Bioware to follow up on their word of treating all love interest fairly, instead of them being left out after yelling at us.

Also us being a "minority" doesn't matter. Garrus and Tali fans were a"minority" but they got unromancable characters to becoe romancable in the second game after asking repeatedly and they were rewarded for their efforts despite them being medically iprobable, especially for Tali, so why aren't VS fans allowed to do the same thing when Bioware was actively creating new content for the Game until now, and after our characters fellow ME1 Romance Liara gets romance specefic content after being in the same boat as the VS before it? is that still foolish to you?

[Leonia]

iakus wrote...

leonia42 wrote...
They have roughly an equal number of lines of dialogue, whether you like what they say or not on Horizon is irrelevant. It's still fair, by the defintion of the word fair.

I don't know why the VS fans feel so entitled to have special treatment. Nobody promised you VS DLC, you have been promised a larger role for the VS in ME3.. what more could you want than that?

Honestly, it's like you all are unwilling to move on from ME1. We're up to the third game you guys, get with the program and move on. If you want more time with your ME1 love-interest, there's always fanfiction and fanart. You don't have to be so condescending and antagonistic towards anyone who isn't as overly obsessed with the VS as you are. 

And may I remind you guys, you ARE a minority of the ME fanbase. Shout and scream all you like but its only going to make you look foolish in the end.

My apologies for having an opinion contrary to yours.  I'll try to do better next time.

Opinions are fine and all, I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is one fanbase thinking they are more important than any other and being rude to anyone who disagrees with them. Take that post from jeweledleah for example, that is dripping with vitriol. You guys might get more respect if you were nicer to the rest of the community and less demanding.

Bioware never promised VS DLC, being upset over the lack of it is a bit ridiculous.

Modifié par leonia42, 30 mars 2011 - 07:29 .

[AdmiralCheez]

jeweledleah wrote...

is that what it is? does the bashing make you feel better, lets you push away some of that fear? does it?

Uhh... no?

[Lee337]

Saying they haven't been treated equally is assuming you already know the events of ME3, they are not equal to this point but as a trilogy, you just don't know. Perhaps Liaras DLC was to make up for a lack of her as a playable character in ME3, she's now the shadowbroker after all, and maybe the VS will play a much more active role.
Thier excuse may be that they have a story written which simply doesn't allow for the VS to wonder off and help Shep.
There's just so much negativity, which just leads to more negativity and insults at Bioware, who for all you know could be doing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

[aimlessgun]

As much as I want more VS, being angry for them not being in Arrival is just plain stupid. They don't make any sense in the Arrival plot.

[Zubie]

leonia42 wrote...

They have roughly an equal number of lines of dialogue, whether you like what they say or not on Horizon is irrelevant. It's still fair, by the defintion of the word fair.

I don't know why the VS fans feel so entitled to have special treatment. Nobody promised you VS DLC, you have been promised a larger role for the VS in ME3.. what more could you want than that?

Honestly, it's like you all are unwilling to move on from ME1. We're up to the third game you guys, get with the program and move on. If you want more time with your ME1 love-interest, there's always fanfiction and fanart. You don't have to be so condescending and antagonistic towards anyone who isn't as overly obsessed with the VS as you are. 

And may I remind you guys, you ARE a minority of the ME fanbase. Shout and scream all you like but its only going to make you look foolish in the end.

Wait, asking for the appearance of a character that has been more or less non-existant since the first game is asking for special treatment? Interesting....

Also from reading this thread, aside from a few people, the only people here being condescending and antagonistic are the haters.

[ADLegend21]

Lee337 wrote...

Saying they haven't been treated equally is assuming you already know the events of ME3, they are not equal to this point but as a trilogy, you just don't know. Perhaps Liaras DLC was to make up for a lack of her as a playable character in ME3, she's now the shadowbroker after all, and maybe the VS will play a much more active role.
Thier excuse may be that they have a story written which simply doesn't allow for the VS to wonder off and help Shep.
There's just so much negativity, which just leads to more negativity and insults at Bioware, who for all you know could be doing the exact opposite of what you are claiming.

Yes and in Me3 Shepard could physically punch a hole in a reaper, but for now it's hypotheicals. What we have is ME2 LI's and Liara -2 Ashley and Kaidan -0. I'd evne be willing to bet that a few lines of dialouge and gettign to see the VS after Horizon would be accetable by soe fans, but the only othe time we can talk about them is with Anderson on the Citadel and evne then we sound betrayed. there's nothing positive about the VS in ME2.

[Leonia]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Hmm, Us antagonizing? I honestly beg to differ. speaking for myself, Is tarted the series with AMss Effect 2 so I can't be "unwilling to move on from ME1" since that wasn't my first exposure. my first exposure to ashely and Kaidan was "you're a traitor" so I should have more right than anyone to hate them no matter what since I know how they act in the second game. do I? Nope because I see how they were in the beginning and I see how different they're treated when head writers change. Also, Liara had a side quest on Illium before LoTSB so that same amount of dialogue isn't true. This thread was asking why our characters weren't given a fair shake in ME2 and we get attaced a whiners and "self entitled" when we're just asking for Bioware to follow up on their word of treating all love interest fairly, instead of them being left out after yelling at us.

There's this thing.. it's called character development. It wasn't out of character for Ashley or Kaidan to be suspicious of Shepard and Cerberus. Characters grow over time, these characters chose their duty over their romance (and come on, we were already blurring the line on fraternisation within the military ranks as it was). The writers are fully allowed to do with their characters as they please. If they think Ash and Kaidan would react that way to Shepard, then that's how they'll react. That's canon. I'm sorry if that upset your Shepard's feelings but that's how the cookie crumbles. Ash and Kaidan are not your characters, they will behave how they are supposed to behave. Expecting anything else is unreasonable. 

As for entitlement, getting upset over something you were NEVER promised seems very consistent with the concept of entitlement to me. Your love-interests will be treated fairly.. in ME3. Actually, come to think of it, how come Tali and Garrus don't get as many lines as Ashley and Kaidan did in ME1? Now who is being treated unfairly. The Garrus fans didn't even get half as much dialogue as everyone else but you don't see us going around starting fires over it.

I'd also like to see the quote where the devs promised equal treatment of all LIs. There are NINE love-interests in ME, that's a LOT of characters to give equal treatment to. VS is no more important than the rest of them.

Also us being a "minority" doesn't matter. Garrus and Tali fans were a"minority" but they got unromancable characters to becoe romancable in the second game after asking repeatedly and they were rewarded for their efforts despite them being medically iprobable, especially for Tali, so why aren't VS fans allowed to do the same thing when Bioware was actively creating new content for the Game until now, and after our characters fellow ME1 Romance Liara gets romance specefic content after being in the same boat as the VS before it? is that still foolish to you?

Doesn't matter? Should 5% of the community get what they want and the other 95%  be left hanging? I'd also like to see your statistics on Tali/Garrus fans because from every poll/discussion I have seen, they have always been in everyone's top favourite character lists. In fact, I'd argue there are more Tali/Garrus fans than Ash/Kaidan fans. But does it matter who has more fans, honestly? No one is being catered to (except maybe the Liara fans who got their comic but even then.. Liara's role has changed a great deal and will affect everything regardless if she is romanced or not so I can deal with that). I'd also point out that in terms of character development and relevance, Tali and Garrus are a lot stronger. They will be needed when Shepard has to recruit the other species in ME3, what will Ash and Kaidan be needed for.. moral support? Maybe they will get the role of Alliance liason or whatever if the Alliance is ok with working with Shepard still. Who knows.

Anyway I really don't want to play a game of "my favourite character is better than yours" because that's just silly. I'm just getting tired of an overly vocal minority throwing tantrums around here, that's all. Yes, it still seems foolish to me.

Modifié par leonia42, 30 mars 2011 - 07:42 .

[Quole]

Btw I`m still waiting for that link of a dev that apparently promised that the VS would be treated equally in ME2. Or is there even a link? Im betting not.

Modifié par Quole, 30 mars 2011 - 07:45 .

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

Btw I`m still waiting for that link of a dev that apparently promised that the VS would be treated equally in ME2. Or is there even a link? Im betting not.

If you feel like looking through ME2 hype all night be my guest

[jeweledleah]

leonia, its people like you that feed the vitriol in my words, the accusations of entitlement, asking for special treatment, inability to move on, being wrong, stupid etc for being fans of the characters that are not currently writer's favorites, yes.. I should be all happy and joyful and loving and thankful and just take any scraps thrown our way with gratitude and nary a single criticism.

Tali and Garrus get character development in ME2 because, surprise, they got bigger roles in ME2. same goes for Liara and even Wrex - bigger roles. its a circular argument.
look at your own words, please. read them. and then tell me all about the vitriol or condescension that apparently you are not guilty of.

@ Cheez. you haven't exhibited any hate here, and I'm not seeing you being afraid of anything, so my questions I suppose do not apply to you.

[Leonia]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Btw I`m still waiting for that link of a dev that apparently promised that the VS would be treated equally in ME2. Or is there even a link? Im betting not.

If you feel like looking through ME2 hype all night be my guest

If the quote isn't so readily available then why is it being referenced so often? How can we talk about truthfully about something that isn't being openly shared? Sounds like a weak quote to base an argument on.

jeweledleah wrote...

leonia, its people like you that feed
the vitriol in my words, the accusations of entitlement, asking for
special treatment, inability to move on, being wrong, stupid etc for
being fans of the characters that are not currently writer's favorites,
yes.. I should be all happy and joyful and loving and thankful and just
take any scraps thrown our way with gratitude and nary a single
criticism.

Tali and Garrus get character development in ME2
because, surprise, they got bigger roles in ME2. same goes for Liara
and even Wrex - bigger roles. its a circular argument.
look at your
own words, please. read them. and then tell me all about the vitriol
or condescension that apparently you are not guilty of.

Hey I never called anyone stupid or said their opinions were wrong. I said expecting something that was never promised is a bit rich. Or do you want to argue with that point?

Tali and Garrus got character development in ME2 and Ashley and Kaidan had their character development as well (Horizon + everything in ME1). No one is getting more than the other.

I am being completely factual and neutral here instead of treating everyone like they are children that are "fearing for their favourite character's relevance". 

Modifié par leonia42, 30 mars 2011 - 07:55 .

[ADLegend21]

leonia42 wrote...

There's this thing.. it's called character development. It wasn't out of character for Ashley or Kaidan to be suspicious of Shepard and Cerberus. Characters grow over time, these characters chose their duty over their romance (and come on, we were already blurring the line on fraternisation within the military ranks as it was). The writers are fully allowed to do with their characters as they please. If they think Ash and Kaidan would react that way to Shepard, then that's how they'll react. That's canon. I'm sorry if that upset your Shepard's feelings but that's how the cookie crumbles. Ash and Kaidan are not your characters, they will behave how they are supposed to behave. Expecting anything else is unreasonable. 

As for entitlement, getting upset over something you were NEVER promised seems very consistent with the concept of entitlement to me. Your love-interests will be treated fairly.. in ME3. Actually, come to think of it, how come Tali and Garrus don't get as many lines as Ashley and Kaidan did in ME1? Now who is being treated unfairly. The Garrus fans didn't even get half as much dialogue as everyone else but you don't see us going around starting fires over it.

I'd also like to see the quote where the devs promised equal treatment of all LIs. There are NINE love-interests in ME, that's a LOT of characters to give equal treatment to. VS is no more important than the rest of them.

Doesn't matter? Should 5% of the community get what they want and the other 95%  be left hanging? I'd also like to see your statistics on Tali/Garrus fans because from every poll/discussion I have seen, they have always been in everyone's top favourite character lists. In fact, I'd argue there are more Tali/Garrus fans than Ash/Kaidan fans. But does it matter who has more fans, honestly? No one is being catered to (except maybe the Liara fans who got their comic but even then.. Liara's role has changed a great deal and will affect everything regardless if she is romanced or not so I can deal with that). I'd also point out that in terms of character development and relevance, Tali and Garrus are a lot stronger. They will be needed when Shepard has to recruit the other species in ME3, what will Ash and Kaidan be needed for.. moral support? Maybe they will get the role of Alliance liason or whatever if the Alliance is ok with working with Shepard still. Who knows.

Anyway I really don't want to play a game of "my favourite character is better than yours" because that's just silly. I'm just getting tired of an overly vocal minority throwing tantrums around here, that's all. Yes, it still seems foolish to me.

Ah Yes "polls". No, but seriously if you ake polls seirously when they get swept up and invaded by younger fans who have all day on their comps to do nothing but put acheck mark by Tali and Garrus then yeah they're the "majority" Adde donto the fac that you can be a fan of more than one Character it'slikely that there are fans of both combo's of characters.  Garrus and Tali more relevant? I hardly think so, depending on ME2 Tali could be EXILED and/or dead and garrus has NO pull with the Turian Hierarch, He's a rogue who left C-Sec Twice so he can't even get C-Sec on your side. He COULD have been a great leader, as the Yagh broker's dossier on him said, but he's clung to Shepard that he's nothing more than her soldier.  Hell Legion is a better Liason than them both since he was sent to find and cnotact you and now you have the Geth on your side against a synthetic enemy. Now I'm not saying Iw ouldn't try to leverage their help in getting the quarians and Turians, but the Turian help most likely will come from the council saying "you're right Shepard" and backing you against the reapers and the Quarian's can't even mount a military assault by their own admission Tali would just be around to keep them from hurting the Geth army you could have thanks to Legion. Kaidan is the SAME RANK as Shepard in the Allaince and he and Ashley oculd both possibly be up for the spectre's depending on what Bioware has them doing in the 2 years Shepard was dead/comatose. Garrus wasn't building relationships in hsi government and tali was completeing her pilgrimage if you didn't for her with the Geth data. While I love all the characters in soe way Ash/Kaidan >Garrus/Tali in termsof plot revelance. But seriously, would a VS Visit or them in anderson's office be too much to ask?

[Leonia]

And for what its worth, I don't hate Kaidan or Ashley, I enjoyed them in ME1 and enjoyed that their cameo appearance in ME2. It's not often that Shepard's squad-mates (or former squad-mates) stand up to Shepard when they disagree. Sure, it sucks if you really were into that romance with the VS but there are other ways to look at the whole Horizon encounter. I am looking forward to catching up with Kaidan in ME3 and seeing what he has been up to all this time and maybe hearing his opinions. I don't hate any characters in this game, nor do I hate any of their fans. But if you want to talk about equal treatment, you need to learn what fairness and equality actually entails and stop letting your biases cloud your views of the characters in the game. I know YOU want the VS to matter but maybe Bioware doesn't and it's their game, yes?

@ADLegend21: I agree, polls aren't a good metric. That's why I also mentioned discussions

Modifié par leonia42, 30 mars 2011 - 08:02 .