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[TwistedComplex]

Because arrival wasn't ABOUT the VS?

JUST A HUNCH

CALL ME A VISIONARY but I'm just THROWIN stuff out there. Food for thought and all

I know it sounds CRAZY, but something might not be in a DLC because the DLC wasn't ABOUT that


Tell you what, Bioware, what's your excuse for not having Wrex in the DLC?

Huh?

HUH?!?!

Answer that, Mr.Bioware. That's what i thought

[bluewolv1970]

I am totally NOT a VS fan but to think they will not have a big role in ME3 in silly IMO...I would go so far as to say they will be a playable squadmember as the Alliance representative..so all VS fans, while I get that being patient sucks, I truy do think you will be rewarded with a lot of substance in ME3...

[TwistedComplex]

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

Unfortunatly your opinion doesn't matter in Biowares decision to put cameos in DLC

I'm sure you didnt' think this through because the Dr in arrival ended up getting indocronated, but you think it would have been a GREAT idea for the VS to take her place

First of all, why would an alliance soldier be running a secret op on an asteriod, planning to crash it into a mass relay without the alliance knowing about it?

Secondly, why would the batarians risk capturing and torturing an alliance soldier?

Third, maybe the VS is serving somewhere else, and we'll find out where in ME3, and they would have to change an ENTIRE story line in ME3 in order to fit in with a 7$ ME2 DLC

There's too many complications to worry about, but that doesn't matter cause all you care about is getting what you want 100% of the time

[vader da slayer]

I love how people who like one char or another and their favorite char doesn't recieve special attention that somehow bioware is ignoring them or "treating them badly"

[TwistedComplex]

Lee337 wrote...

The thing I find aggrivating isn't the complaints or whining, its the insults that fly around at Biowares writers etc, when it's premature to say that they have forgotten the VS, are ignoring VS fans and the like.

You don't understand. We didn't get the VS in a DLC, THEREFORE, the writers have forgotten about it

And i can prove it with long lost Atlantian logic bestowed upon me by the great Cthulu

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 30 mars 2011 - 08:50 .

[Almostfaceman]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

The thing I find aggrivating isn't the complaints or whining, its the insults that fly around at Biowares writers etc, when it's premature to say that they have forgotten the VS, are ignoring VS fans and the like.

You don't understand. We didn't get the VS in a DLC, THEREFORE, the writers have forgotten about it

And i can prove it with long lost Atlantian logic given to me by the great Cthulu

Screw Cthulu, "I" told them not to put the VS in Arrival and they said "Yes Sir!". 

[CroGamer002]

Bioware what is excuse for not having Biotic God in this DLC!!!!!

[Estelindis]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
what WAS promised was that all Mass Effect Love interests would be treated equally, while one has her own DLC with romance exclusive content while the other two Love interests only have an unavoidable arguement. Would you say that is the fair and equal treatment promised?

IF they promised it and didnt fulfill that promise then i agree, however I dont ever recall them doing so.
May I see a link to where a dev promised this?

Here you go:

Jesse Houston wrote...
BioWare values all of the romance options in the Mass Effect series as equally important. No matter who you choose to romance or whether you play male or female Shepard, each romance is equally  important to the story and outcome.

This is just one of many references that Bioware has made to the romances being equal.  Casey Hudson has also said that the reason for the reduced role of the ME1 LIs in ME2 was to keep them for ME3.  In addition, he said elsewhere that the three most important decisions in ME1 were who you romanced (if any), who you left to die on Virmire, and whether you let the Council die.  That's two out of three central choices related to Ashley and Kaidan (even if you chose to romance Liara, they were still options).  So for quite a while we've been told to sit tight and wait for ME3 - and, personally, I think we have reason to hope that the Virmire Survivor will have a stellar role in the final game.

The trouble is that the difference in the treatment of Liara in ME2 compared with Ashley and Kaidan has been somewhat jarring, and as time has gone on and we've seen more and more of this some of us have questioned whether Bioware is still committed to the characters.  After all, many of the interviews or posts talking about the equal treatment of LIs are somewhat old at this stage (many were taken from pre-ME2 PR).  Since then, we've had Kasumi mention Liara's relationship with Shepard, but not Ash or Kai's.  At the end of LotSB, you can tell Liara you're fighting for any of your LIs except Kaidan or Ashley; their only mention in the DLC is if Shepard says s/he's frustrated then Liara castigates them as short-sighted (great, more criticism of our already-beleaguered favourites!).  They don't even get a text dossier in the Shadow Broker's files.  The PS3 comic presents Liara in a far more positive light than the VS (it's particularly egregious in Kaidan's case, when a man three years older than Shepard and only one rank below him/her is described condescendingly as "a good kid").  Even ignoring things like Liara getting her own comics and DLC, changing these little touches (or absences thereof) could have made a huge difference to our perception of how these characters were being treated and bolstered our hopes for the future. 

Accordingly, what I'm thinking is that the relationship between Ashley or Kaidan and Shepard is supposed to be more fraught or ambiguous than the others.  As Shepard, you're not even sure what your status with them is anymore.  You have no way of communicating with them, and no one else in the universe even really seems to think there's anything between you.  All you have is hope and trust.  Yet, if you still keep their picture on your desk in spite of all that, you get a monumental payoff in ME3.  :-)  The only thing I don't really get is where this leaves people who befriended rather than romanced Ashley or Kaidan.  These people don't even get the post-Horizon email or the little pre-SM scene of looking at the photo.  So, in spite of a lot of our angst being based on the idea that "all romanceable characters should get equal treatment," in many ways I think the people worst off re. the VS are those who didn't romance them.

Goodness me, this was quite long.  :-D  I should probably keep my posts to the ME3 Ash/Kai suggestions thread from now on - anyone who wants to discuss how we'd like to see Kaidan / Ashley in ME3 should feel free to post there.  After all, Arrival is out and it's the last DLC.  We might have liked something with the VS, but we didn't get it, so there's little point in continuing to complain once our point has been made.  We just need to face the music, stay positive, and make constructive suggestions for future content.  :-)

Modifié par Estelindis, 30 mars 2011 - 09:12 .

[Tazzmission]

ADLegend21 wrote...

For those who wanted to see the "we value all romances" quote, I believe it was Jesse Houston who said this during LoTSB.

you do realise that they have tor and me3 this year to release right? i love how these vs fans make it sound like this is more important than 2 other full games. id love and pay to see how these vs fans would bring this out wile juggling fan demands and two game titles that are scheduled for a 2011 release... seriously quit the fn b*tching and quit getting your damn hopes up. lets be real these fans  read something they wanted to believe and yet when it didnt happen they pissed themselves and attack nasty agaisnt the devs.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Here we go again, VS....

[Tazzmission]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here we go again, VS....

you know whats really funny? the wrex fans and liara fans dont act like this at all and to that i thank. these vs wack jobs are no diffrent than star trek fans because those people are nutty if you challenge them.....

[ADLegend21]

Tazzmission wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

For those who wanted to see the "we value all romances" quote, I believe it was Jesse Houston who said this during LoTSB.

you do realise that they have tor and me3 this year to release right? i love how these vs fans make it sound like this is more important than 2 other full games. id love and pay to see how these vs fans would bring this out wile juggling fan demands and two game titles that are scheduled for a 2011 release... seriously quit the fn b*tching and quit getting your damn hopes up. lets be real these fans  read something they wanted to believe and yet when it didnt happen they pissed themselves and attack nasty agaisnt the devs.

Tazz who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't expect when I'm told all romances are treated equally and then they aren't? seriously who are you to tell me how to think? No one that's who.

[DirtyVagrant]

Tazzmission wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here we go again, VS....

you know whats really funny? the wrex fans and liara fans dont act like this at all and to that i thank. these vs wack jobs are no diffrent than star trek fans because those people are nutty if you challenge them.....

To be fair, Liara fans prior to LotSB were very outspoken about the "lack of love" their favorite character received in ME2.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Tazzmission wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here we go again, VS....

you know whats really funny? the wrex fans and liara fans dont act like this at all and to that i thank. these vs wack jobs are no diffrent than star trek fans because those people are nutty if you challenge them.....

I have nothing against Wrex, Liara and Vs. The thing that bothers me is that people are complaining because there is no VS in arrival dlc.
What could people expect if it has been already said by game devs, that VS will play major role in ME3 but wont in ME2 dlc's. I also don't like the fact, that people call dlc ****ty because of no arrival. Just take a look at Arrival DLC feedback thread. Everyone has right to say his/her own opinions, but it's very odd when people complain about lack of VS in Arrival, when VS was dismissed by Chris earlier before the release of arrival.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 30 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[Tazzmission]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

For those who wanted to see the "we value all romances" quote, I believe it was Jesse Houston who said this during LoTSB.

you do realise that they have tor and me3 this year to release right? i love how these vs fans make it sound like this is more important than 2 other full games. id love and pay to see how these vs fans would bring this out wile juggling fan demands and two game titles that are scheduled for a 2011 release... seriously quit the fn b*tching and quit getting your damn hopes up. lets be real these fans  read something they wanted to believe and yet when it didnt happen they pissed themselves and attack nasty agaisnt the devs.

Tazz who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't expect when I'm told all romances are treated equally and then they aren't? seriously who are you to tell me how to think? No one that's who.

first off i am more sane than all you vs nutjobs.;  second. i dont treat the devs like **** like alot of these posters do. and finally i am someone all right and i will always be better than you. now go find some toilet paper and whipe that p*ssy of yours because that sh*t is leaking do to your crying

[Tazzmission]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here we go again, VS....

you know whats really funny? the wrex fans and liara fans dont act like this at all and to that i thank. these vs wack jobs are no diffrent than star trek fans because those people are nutty if you challenge them.....

To be fair, Liara fans prior to LotSB were very outspoken about the "lack of love" their favorite character received in ME2.

but not as bad as vs demands though.  i mean for f*ck sakes when will fans as a whole stop blaming the devs for everything and finally admit that they have misread something and expect way to much? i mean hell alot of people attack mac walters for how me2 worked out and yet people wont say the same about drew K. seeing as its a team that writes the franchise and not just one person.

[Estelindis]

This thread has gotten really nasty. A lot of people are attacking fans of Ashley and Kaidan when we are simply disappointed. Maybe we were unwise to get our hopes up regarding this DLC, but it's not kind to kick a person when they're down. I suggest that anyone whose temper has been riled should take a breather. If we can't make constructive comments, let's at least refrain from tearing each other down.

[KiloSierra149]

Tazzmission wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

For those who wanted to see the "we value all romances" quote, I believe it was Jesse Houston who said this during LoTSB.

you do realise that they have tor and me3 this year to release right? i love how these vs fans make it sound like this is more important than 2 other full games. id love and pay to see how these vs fans would bring this out wile juggling fan demands and two game titles that are scheduled for a 2011 release... seriously quit the fn b*tching and quit getting your damn hopes up. lets be real these fans  read something they wanted to believe and yet when it didnt happen they pissed themselves and attack nasty agaisnt the devs.

Tazz who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't expect when I'm told all romances are treated equally and then they aren't? seriously who are you to tell me how to think? No one that's who.

first off i am more sane than all you vs nutjobs.;  second. i dont treat the devs like **** like alot of these posters do. and finally i am someone all right and i will always be better than you. now go find some toilet paper and whipe that p*ssy of yours because that sh*t is leaking do to your crying

I'd calm your ass down, Polly-PMS. If this thread pisses you off, stop coming to it. It has pretty much lost its point and you're just adding to the fire. Damn.

[Tazzmission]

Estelindis wrote...

This thread has gotten really nasty. A lot of people are attacking fans of Ashley and Kaidan when we are simply disappointed. Maybe we were unwise to get our hopes up regarding this DLC, but it's not kind to kick a person when they're down. I suggest that anyone whose temper has been riled should take a breather. If we can't make constructive comments, let's at least refrain from tearing each other down.

no offence but i have seen and read alot worse. go look at the live chat thread from one week ago. the comments made about that erika chick was wrong. i admit i said how i felt about the chat but i wasnt that cold

[ADLegend21]

Tazzmission wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here we go again, VS....

you know whats really funny? the wrex fans and liara fans dont act like this at all and to that i thank. these vs wack jobs are no diffrent than star trek fans because those people are nutty if you challenge them.....

Wrex wasn't even romancable so he's nowhere near the level of the VS, but he is now in charge of Clan urdnot and is a Leader, and Liara is the Shadow broker, I repeat Liara is the Shadow Broker. both can be visited anytime the player wants outside of missions, unlike said VS. you're of the opinion fans can't ask for things well you're obviously in the vast minority.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

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Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 30 mars 2011 - 09:44 .

[Tazzmission]

KiloSierra149 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

For those who wanted to see the "we value all romances" quote, I believe it was Jesse Houston who said this during LoTSB.

you do realise that they have tor and me3 this year to release right? i love how these vs fans make it sound like this is more important than 2 other full games. id love and pay to see how these vs fans would bring this out wile juggling fan demands and two game titles that are scheduled for a 2011 release... seriously quit the fn b*tching and quit getting your damn hopes up. lets be real these fans  read something they wanted to believe and yet when it didnt happen they pissed themselves and attack nasty agaisnt the devs.

Tazz who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't expect when I'm told all romances are treated equally and then they aren't? seriously who are you to tell me how to think? No one that's who.

first off i am more sane than all you vs nutjobs.;  second. i dont treat the devs like **** like alot of these posters do. and finally i am someone all right and i will always be better than you. now go find some toilet paper and whipe that p*ssy of yours because that sh*t is leaking do to your crying

I'd calm your ass down, Polly-PMS. If this thread pisses you off, stop coming to it. It has pretty much lost its point and you're just adding to the fire. Damn.

no i wont calm down. why is there always multiple vs threads anyways every day? its kinda funny that you dont see multiple  wrex or more liara like you see this vs bs everyday. so if anyone is pmsing its more the vs fans. i just happen to have the  balls to tell them to stfu

[Estelindis]

Tazzmission wrote...

no offence but i have seen and read alot worse. go look at the live chat thread from one week ago. the comments made about that erika chick was wrong. i admit i said how i felt about the chat but i wasnt that cold

Seeing people behave worse than this in other situations does not justify behaving badly now.  If you fight fire with fire, then the world will just burn.  Ultimately, we are all fans of a magnificent sci-fi franchise in which the developers spend a lot of time listening to their fans.  But all they're likely to glean from this thread at present is that most of us aren't worth making games for.  Let's act better than that.

[hawat333]

Why would they need an excuse in the first place?
VS is perserved for the third installment, not for a lousy DLC:

[Tazzmission]

Estelindis wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

no offence but i have seen and read alot worse. go look at the live chat thread from one week ago. the comments made about that erika chick was wrong. i admit i said how i felt about the chat but i wasnt that cold

Seeing people behave worse than this in other situations does not justify behaving badly now.  If you fight fire with fire, then the world will just burn.  Ultimately, we are all fans of a magnificent sci-fi franchise in which the developers spend a lot of time listening to their fans.  But all they're likely to glean from this thread at present is that most of us aren't worth making games for.  Let's act better than that.

people say they are fans but i wonder if they truley are. if people were true fans than they should take what they get and give an honest clean opinion on it and that includes calling people hacks and honestly i want fans to be more aware of how they interpret a interview with a bioware developer. iadmit arrival was short but i loved it for its tribute to mass effect 1 wich people wanted and yet its the same thing, bioware sold out to shooter fans or its the typicall they promised ash/kaiden dlc when in fact they never said that.