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[Tazzmission]

James2912 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

James2912 wrote...

I really think the OP should change the stupid way he phrased the topic he is not helping the VS cause. He is just pissing people off. I support VS but the topic name is pretty outrageous and its attracting trolls by the dozen and some really mean people like Tazmission. I mean whats up with the irrational hatred? Its actually pretty scary somebody could get so passionate in wanting to deny someone else their passion. Especially when its just a video game. 

woa! woa!woa!woa! woa! denying someones passion? you make it sound like if the charachters are a real person.... if you can honestly sit on these boards and deny the fact that alot ( not all) vs fans do indeed wine **** and moan than you are blind or you really dont look around the boards offten. i also wanna point out im not just targeting vs fans either, im also putting a target on the people who literally believe that bioware forced something down there throats when in fact they had the option to not buy the content. if you really wanna see disgusting comments go look at the mac walters chat thread and tell me if if what i say is worse than that. i have seen posters literally call the devs hacks and ive seen threads titled bioware caters to shooter fans, so before you call me a troll you might wanna look into why i say the **** i do..

The point is I don't want to see ANY NASTY comments! What are you three years old? Two wrongs do not make a right! Be the adult even if nobody else wants to be! 

first off you dont run anything here and  either do i. but where is the same lecture to the other people who have said far worse? if im gona give my thought's im gona give them, if you dont like it kiss off

Hey I did I called the OP's claim stupid. I said he should change the topic.  And guess what the VS survivor supporters are "gonna give (their) thought's so (their) gonna give them, if you don't like it kiss off"

 cant even come up with comeback, had to steel mine huh? i wouldnt be suprised if your some 12 year old kid living in a shelter for the homeless wearing a rainbow colored shirt looking like a homless power ranger.

[Estelindis]

Please knock it off with the insults (and, for that matter, the quote pyramids). Let's deal with the points other posters are making rather than launching ad hominem attacks.

[James2912]

That characterization, just made me sad, would you want to put down a 12 year old who lives in a homeless shelter? You have a problem with homeless 12 year olds?

[Tazzmission]

Estelindis wrote...

Please knock it off with the insults (and, for that matter, the quote pyramids). Let's deal with the points other posters are making rather than launching ad hominem attacks.

hey everything was fine until justin bieber without the talent  (james) over there mentioned my name in a negative way.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 31 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[James2912]

Tazzmission wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

Please knock it off with the insults (and, for that matter, the quote pyramids). Let's deal with the points other posters are making rather than launching ad hominem attacks.

hey everything was fine until justin bieber without the talent  (james) over there mentioned my name in a negative way.

I actually seriously like your insults they are very creative and some are pretty funny, in a good way I am not trying to be condescending. Its hard to relay that over the internet. lol. I could go with a truce. 

[jbblue05]

Their is no way in hell Liara got shafted in ME2.

She had her owncomic series of rescuing SHepard she has an hour lolng DLC about her becoming TSB, she has snu-snu with Shep and she's going to have a huge role in ME3.


The VS is like Cerberus in ME1 your suppose to not like them, because your only interaction with them is hostile.

I am a VS fan and I hope Bioware kills off the VS in the first part of ME3. I want it to BURN!!!! I want Bioware to remove the best character in the game.(Ash)
I want Bioware to take a stand and stop compromising to please everyone, the Arrival DLC was a good start you have to kill those 300,000 Batarians.
Bioware hasn't killed off a character that people generally like and the VS will be a good start.

OR Bioware can make there be no happy romance ending with the VS either Shep or VS has to die

[Estelindis]

Tazzmission wrote...

hey everything was fine until justin bieber without the talent  (james) over there mentioned my name in a negative way.

To be fair, Tazz, some of what you posted was a bit vulgar and unkind.  I got the impression that you posted in this fashion because you were frustrated with some fans of Ashley and Kaidan, feeling that they were behaving in an overly-entitled fashion.  James suggested that if the thread title and opening post were changed that it would annoy people (including you) less.  I can understand why you wouldn't have liked how he phrased his post, but didn't he have a point?

Anyway, he doesn't seem to have any hard feelings about it, and I must agree that the way you're putting things at the moment is more than a little amusing (in a not-bad way), so I shall step out of your dispute from this moment on.  Happy posting.  :-)

Modifié par Estelindis, 31 mars 2011 - 03:40 .

[Tazzmission]

jbblue05 wrote...

Their is no way in hell Liara got shafted in ME2.

She had her owncomic series of rescuing SHepard she has an hour lolng DLC about her becoming TSB, she has snu-snu with Shep and she's going to have a huge role in ME3.


The VS is like Cerberus in ME1 your suppose to not like them, because your only interaction with them is hostile.

I am a VS fan and I hope Bioware kills off the VS in the first part of ME3. I want it to BURN!!!! I want Bioware to remove the best character in the game.(Ash)
I want Bioware to take a stand and stop compromising to please everyone,

thank you! i agree

[Iakus]

Quaay wrote...

CaseyH-ME2:
We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which
ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die.
Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might
think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and
will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

I have always been cool with this.  I went into ME 2 knowing the VS and Liara would not be recruitable, and was fine with it.  This makees sense.  It was thier reactions in teh game that gave me doubts and in the case of the VS, still have doubts.

CaseyH-ME2:
Another important thing to consider is that much of the fun of ME1 was the
discovery of new people and places. If we made ME2 out of the same characters,
you'd miss out of the fun of that discovery.

Again, no arguement here.  Not asking for a full fledged squadmate, or even a major role.  What I object to is the nature of the VS cameo in ME 2.  And zero attempt to alleviate it since then.

CaseyH-ME2:
Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love interest in the
trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts.
Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and
you might guess where we're going with it."

So what part is "Traitor!  Grr, Argh!  followed by deafening silence in this three act concept?

Again, talk is cheap.  Anything can be claimed.  But I'm not seeing any evidence of follow-through.

[Tazzmission]

iakus wrote...

Quaay wrote...

CaseyH-ME2:
We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which
ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die.
Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might
think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and
will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

I have always been cool with this.  I went into ME 2 knowing the VS and Liara would not be recruitable, and was fine with it.  This makees sense.  It was thier reactions in teh game that gave me doubts and in the case of the VS, still have doubts.

CaseyH-ME2:
Another important thing to consider is that much of the fun of ME1 was the
discovery of new people and places. If we made ME2 out of the same characters,
you'd miss out of the fun of that discovery.

Again, no arguement here.  Not asking for a full fledged squadmate, or even a major role.  What I object to is the nature of the VS cameo in ME 2.  And zero attempt to alleviate it since then.

CaseyH-ME2:
Finally, if you are worried about the role of the ME1 love interest in the
trilogy, consider that the romance itself is told across the trilogy, in 3 acts.
Apply the 3-act concept to what's happening in your relationship with them, and
you might guess where we're going with it."

So what part is "Traitor!  Grr, Argh!  followed by deafening silence in this three act concept?

Again, talk is cheap.  Anything can be claimed.  But I'm not seeing any evidence of follow-through.

like i explained lastnight before a huge uproar on both sides exploded.... people will assume thats a promise but the truth is take it with a grain of salt because plans change all the time.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 31 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Estelindis]

Well, not to nitpick, but the fact that a promise can be broken doesn't make it any less of a promise.

[Tazzmission]

Estelindis wrote...

Well, not to nitpick, but the fact that a promise can be broken doesn't make it any less of a promise.

pwner posted a interesting idea for the vs....



imagine shepard at the trial in me3 and the vs testifies against you making it a can i trust you matter. now i am bringing this here because pwner has a good idea on how this can play out

Modifié par Tazzmission, 31 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[Estelindis]

Well, you could always post it to the Ashley and Kaidan in ME3 suggestions thread. :-)

[Tazzmission]

Estelindis wrote...

Well, you could always post it to the Ashley and Kaidan in ME3 suggestions thread. :-)

pwner can post it because it was his idea. if you look at the possiblity it can be a good way for renegade/paragon options depending on how you act torwards the vs during trial

[maxulic]

I have to ask... what is a VS?

[Tazzmission]

maxulic wrote...

I have to ask... what is a VS?

vermire survivor - ash/kaidan

[Iakus]

Tazzmission wrote...

like i explained lastnight before a huge uproar on both sides exploded.... people will assume thats a promise but the truth is take it with a grain of salt because plans change all the time.

Indeed they do.  Thus people, and by people I mean "me and whoever agrees with me", are upset about the VS's treatment in the here and now.  That is real (well, as real as a video game gets, I guess), as opposed  to this completely unknown "something" that's later on down the line, but for now is nothing more than words.  And not many words at that. 

[Geirahod]

So...in simply words: I don't have faith in Bioware anymore, I'll explain why:

ME1 was a great game (and I mean with great; a unique game), well developed history, good characters, awesome in almost everything (graphics not so much, the pc version is very buggy).

So, ME1 set my world in fire and I was very excited because of ME2 (and I'm not going to talk about the VS lack, because I'm a huge fan of Kaidan/Ashley, so that's a sensitive spot in my books), then I got my first dissapointment, bad history (where the hell did the reapers and collectors plot go?), a lot of missions to know your squadmates, I mean, that was fine, but it was unnecessary the whole plot of the game went to hell because of that, it began awesome and went to the abyss just to be awesome at the end.
The DLC's, for me the DLC's thing began with LotSB, Arrival wasn't a good DLC, it didn't do any justice to the main plot about the reapers, seriously, rescuing a crazy lady and destroying a relay and the whole system (and batarians?), that wasn't necessary, but, what has been done is done, we will see how that turns up in ME3, but like I said before, I've lost my faith in Bioware, so I don't hold my breath for a exciting and epic plot.
The same thing happen with DA2, DA:O awesome!, DA2, I just don't know what happen...:S

Modifié par Geirahod, 31 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[Lee337]

Why would you see any evidence on a follow through? They've released no ME3 details.

[Drake_Hound]

Geirahod wrote...

So...in simply words: I don't have faith in Bioware anymore, I'll explain why:

ME1 was a great game (and I mean with great; a unique game), well developed history, good characters, awesome in almost everything (graphics not so much, the pc version is very buggy).

So, ME1 set my world in fire and I was very excited because of ME2 (and I'm not going to talk about the VS lack, because I'm a huge fan of Kaidan/Ashley, so that's a sensitive spot in my books), then I got my first dissapointment, bad history (where the hell did the reapers and collectors plot go?), a lot of missions to know your squadmates, I mean, that was fine, but it was unnecessary the whole plot of the game went to hell because of that, it began awesome and went to the abyss just to be awesome at the end.
The DLC's, for me the DLC's thing began with LotSB, Arrival wasn't a good DLC, it didn't do any justice to the main plot about the reapers, seriously, rescuing a crazy lady and destroying a relay and the whole system (and batarians?), that wasn't necessary, but, what has been done is done, we will see how that turns up in ME3, but like I said before, I've lost my faith in Bioware, so I don't hold my breath for a exciting and epic plot.
The same thing happen with DA2, DA:O awesome!, DA2, I just don't know what happen...:S

I can sympathise with this , but problem is can you understand from gaming lore , sometimes things don´t go the way you imagined .
Sometimes story in your head doesn´t comply with the story that is offered , for example if you play ME2 without a import . that should be the canon lore .
Then i think Shepard is a dooze bag renegade Idiot , so first he oust Anders out of spectre , then he let the council die , then he made the most idiotical decision by putting Udina as councillor . killed off almost all of the aliens .
Hardly heroic person , more a I don´t care as long I get to kill stuff ...and the end is all that matters .
Infact If you are logical in presuming that is the canon lore , then he would keep the collectors base join cerebus .
Cause atleast TIM is more charming and manipulative then Udina .

See the same feeling you get from DA2 cause where the heck is my warden , where the heck is my love interest.
Infact DA2 you should play with a blank stare again , don´t think you know so much , its a different part of the dragon age universe .  just pretend you never played DA:O or else you just get frustrated and don´t enjoy anything.

Modifié par Drake_Hound, 31 mars 2011 - 06:06 .

[Geirahod]

Drake_Hound wrote...

Geirahod wrote...

So...in simply words: I don't have faith in Bioware anymore, I'll explain why:

ME1 was a great game (and I mean with great; a unique game), well developed history, good characters, awesome in almost everything (graphics not so much, the pc version is very buggy).

So, ME1 set my world in fire and I was very excited because of ME2 (and I'm not going to talk about the VS lack, because I'm a huge fan of Kaidan/Ashley, so that's a sensitive spot in my books), then I got my first dissapointment, bad history (where the hell did the reapers and collectors plot go?), a lot of missions to know your squadmates, I mean, that was fine, but it was unnecessary the whole plot of the game went to hell because of that, it began awesome and went to the abyss just to be awesome at the end.
The DLC's, for me the DLC's thing began with LotSB, Arrival wasn't a good DLC, it didn't do any justice to the main plot about the reapers, seriously, rescuing a crazy lady and destroying a relay and the whole system (and batarians?), that wasn't necessary, but, what has been done is done, we will see how that turns up in ME3, but like I said before, I've lost my faith in Bioware, so I don't hold my breath for a exciting and epic plot.
The same thing happen with DA2, DA:O awesome!, DA2, I just don't know what happen...:S

I can sympathise with this , but problem is can you understand from gaming lore , sometimes things don´t go the way you imagined .
Sometimes story in your head doesn´t comply with the story that is offered , for example if you play ME2 without a import . that should be the canon lore .
Then i think Shepard is a dooze bag renegade Idiot , so first he oust Anders out of spectre , then he let the council die , then he made the most idiotical decision by putting Udina as councillor . killed off almost all of the aliens .
Hardly heroic person , more a I don´t care as long I get to kill stuff ...and the end is all that matters .
Infact If you are logical in presuming that is the canon lore , then he would keep the collectors base join cerebus .
Cause atleast TIM is more charming and manipulative then Udina .

See the same feeling you get from DA2 cause where the heck is my warden , where the heck is my love interest.
Infact DA2 you should play with a blank stare again , don´t think you know so much , its a different part of the dragon age universe .  just pretend you never played DA:O or else you just get frustrated and don´t enjoy anything.

I agree and disagree with some parts that you have said.

But, what's the point of doing 3 games if each game will contain a different canon history? my character for example; is a paragon, she saved the council, destroyed the base of the collectors and she hates TIM till the bones, so I imported my savegames to ME2 and I really hated the way things went, I think Bioware should put more interest in doing games for those who already played Mass Effect, and not so much in those who haven't played the game, that is just disrespectful for those fans who are loyal to Bioware (If you get my meaning).

I'm not saying that I didn't like DA2 because my warden wasn't there (the chapter of the warden is closed for me), I didn't like the game because the history, the graphics and everything is poorly done, but I really enjoyed DA:O and I was expecting something like that when I bought the game (I live in Chile, so I guess that you could understand my anger, I payed 120 bucks for the game, it's a rare privilige for those who live in here to
buy games).

So you can see, I don't hold my breath for anything exciting...

Modifié par Geirahod, 31 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[jeweledleah]

just to pipe in real quick. when it comes to comparing DAo and DA2 - its not the same as Mass Effects at all. why? because you're not just playing a different protagonist, you are also not continuing the same story - you are looking at the events fro ma different angle and in a different area. its a sort of parallel spin off rather then direct sequel.

P.S. you don't have to play a non import Shepard as an idiot, there are many ways to play it differently. not only that - direct sequels should be designed with people who continue with the series first and foremost, rather then trying to accommodate newcomers at the cost of the story, continuity and character development consistency. make it possible to start series in the middle or the end, by offering recaps, sure, but I have a feeling that it's actually better for sales to create a game that makes you want to pick up the previous installments, you know just to make all your own choices and see the entire story from your own perspective.

Mess effect 2 and 3 are supposed to be direct sequels. you're not playing a new protagonist - you are still playing the same Shepard. you are dealing with the same people you were dealing with, in previous games, choices that you made. its continuation of the same story, rather then a different one.

so you cannot compare the 2 in terms of how they work as sequels.

[Tazzmission]

Lee337 wrote...

Why would you see any evidence on a follow through? They've released no ME3 details.

aprils issue of game informer promises to have me3 information on the gameplay so we'll find out soon



link to info


http://gamrfeed.vgch...ing-next-month/

Modifié par Tazzmission, 31 mars 2011 - 03:59 .

[Geirahod]

jeweledleah wrote...

just to pipe in real quick. when it comes to comparing DAo and DA2 - its not the same as Mass Effects at all. why? because you're not just playing a different protagonist, you are also not continuing the same story - you are looking at the events fro ma different angle and in a different area. its a sort of parallel spin off rather then direct sequel.

P.S. you don't have to play a non import Shepard as an idiot, there are many ways to play it differently. not only that - direct sequels should be designed with people who continue with the series first and foremost, rather then trying to accommodate newcomers at the cost of the story, continuity and character development consistency. make it possible to start series in the middle or the end, by offering recaps, sure, but I have a feeling that it's actually better for sales to create a game that makes you want to pick up the previous installments, you know just to make all your own choices and see the entire story from your own perspective.

Mess effect 2 and 3 are supposed to be direct sequels. you're not playing a new protagonist - you are still playing the same Shepard. you are dealing with the same people you were dealing with, in previous games, choices that you made. its continuation of the same story, rather then a different one.

so you cannot compare the 2 in terms of how they work as sequels.

I was talking about quality, that's why I mentioned the 2 games (I know that they are different games, I'm not stupid LOL XD!), I was saying that the lack of quality in those 2 games made me lose my faith in Bioware (ME2 lack of quality in the plot, DA2 lack of quality in almost everything).

And damn, I used to be a fan since Baldur's Gate, in that time was really hard to buy games from here (now we have more access to buy that kind of stuff but is still expensive, but that's not Bioware's fault, I'm just trying to explain my view point and I'm rambling ), it was really sad to be dissapointed...I'll buy ME3 just for the closure of the plot.
I hope they can give us a big suprise with that game, it would be nice and probably make me change my mind.

Modifié par Geirahod, 31 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[Ray Joel Oh]

Tazzmission wrote...
aprils issue of game informer promises to have me3 information on the gameplay so we'll find out soon



link to info


http://gamrfeed.vgch...ing-next-month/

Time to start considering going into radio silence or risking spoiler exposure...  Damn it!  To read or not to read.