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[jeweledleah]

Geira, I gotcha..and I agree that quality in many ways also suffered, I was mostly replying to the person who compared the games for you originally..I should have pointed it out.

I generally like Mass Effect 2. the game play especially is a lot more interesting then it was in ME1, the difference between classes is more pronounced...the story? its not bad and in many isolated vignettes - its fantastic, but it feels like a draft at times rather then finished edited cohesive product.

I'll be buying ME3 as well. the question is - when and for how much. and the answer depends on information bioware will be releasing in coming months.

[Lee337]

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
aprils issue of game informer promises to have me3 information on the gameplay so we'll find out soon



link to info


http://gamrfeed.vgch...ing-next-month/

Time to start considering going into radio silence or risking spoiler exposure...  Damn it!  To read or not to read.

I would think its way too early to get any real spoilers, I might risk it!

[Iakus]

Lee337 wrote...

Why would you see any evidence on a follow through? They've released no ME3 details.

By seeing how the characters are set up in ME2

Wrex:  in the process of uniting the krogan

Liara:  Shadow Broker

Anderson:  Either Councilor or general

Tali and Garrus are a bit more of a question mark, given the possible choices you can make.  Heck they can even be dead!  But the whole reason they are recruitable is they are expendable.  Otherwise they'd have been held back too.

Rachni Queen:  Building up forcdes for the Reaper war

VS:  We don't even know if they'll be willing to listen to Shepard next time they meet!  Parasinni sounded more willing and able to help!  In fact, if I hadn't played ME 1 first, I would not have been able to tell for certain if the VS even believed in teh Reapers!

[Lee337]

iakus wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Why would you see any evidence on a follow through? They've released no ME3 details.

By seeing how the characters are set up in ME2

Wrex:  in the process of uniting the krogan

Liara:  Shadow Broker

Anderson:  Either Councilor or general

Tali and Garrus are a bit more of a question mark, given the possible choices you can make.  Heck they can even be dead!  But the whole reason they are recruitable is they are expendable.  Otherwise they'd have been held back too.

Rachni Queen:  Building up forcdes for the Reaper war

VS:  We don't even know if they'll be willing to listen to Shepard next time they meet!  Parasinni sounded more willing and able to help!  In fact, if I hadn't played ME 1 first, I would not have been able to tell for certain if the VS even believed in teh Reapers!

The fact you don't know something isn't evidence.

[ODST 3]

Better question... why was the Arrival DLC just plain crap? I'm betting they stagger their good work so people see it and want to buy the next thing, then they put no effort into the next one.

[eternalnightmare13]

Mr.House wrote...

gogman25 wrote...

Why do you say that? So we should just reverse the LOTSB DLC because VS fans didn't get their satisfaction?

You woulnd't say the same thing if your fav character was treated like crap by the dev, always ignored and not pleasing there fans. Bioware is too busy pleasing there pew pew pew fans. The point that they got Lance back for the DLC shows me this was not a low budget dlc.

My favorite character is my Shepard.  Everyone else is secondary. Makes perfect sense Ash/Kaidan aren't around much in ME2 since it involves Cerebus and space outside of Alliance/Citadel control.  Makes no sense for them to be involved in some obscure scientific experiment and Prothean relics.  

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Why would you see any evidence on a follow through? They've released no ME3 details.

By seeing how the characters are set up in ME2

Wrex:  in the process of uniting the krogan

Liara:  Shadow Broker

Anderson:  Either Councilor or general

Tali and Garrus are a bit more of a question mark, given the possible choices you can make.  Heck they can even be dead!  But the whole reason they are recruitable is they are expendable.  Otherwise they'd have been held back too.

Rachni Queen:  Building up forcdes for the Reaper war

VS:  We don't even know if they'll be willing to listen to Shepard next time they meet!  Parasinni sounded more willing and able to help!  In fact, if I hadn't played ME 1 first, I would not have been able to tell for certain if the VS even believed in teh Reapers!

Based on Mac Walter's recent interview, it seems relatively clear that Bioware is deciding which party members from ME2 return based on their popularity. To that end, it's very likely that characters like Garrus and Tali will be there. They may not have a clear role besides helping Shepard, but then neither did Ashley/Kaidan. The only party member Shepard actually brings whom he clearly needs is Liara. The rest were truly expendable.

Modifié par Il Divo, 31 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Leonia]

Lee337 wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
aprils issue of game informer promises to have me3 information on the gameplay so we'll find out soon



link to info


http://gamrfeed.vgch...ing-next-month/

Time to start considering going into radio silence or risking spoiler exposure...  Damn it!  To read or not to read.

I would think its way too early to get any real spoilers, I might risk it!

Heavy risk...

I'm inclined to believe that Liara and the VS will play a crucial role at freeing Shepard if Shepard is to be imprisoned in ME3, Liara has the intel and VS has the means if it is an Alliance prison. Not sure if that would mean the VS returning to Shepard's squad for good or not but they do have plot armour so their role will matter.

[Lee337]

Possible, maybe it'll start with Shep arriving at the trail, and telling his story. Good chance to help new players catch up, also when asked questions, like did you kill the rachni queen you could make a choice, while save importers would have the question answered for them.

[Made Nightwing]

Hackett: I don't need a report to know that you did the right thing Shepard. But you'll have to face trial eventually.

Shepard: I know sir, when Earth calls, I'll be waiting.

Hackett: You did a fine job Shepard, I'll see you around.

*Outside the med-bay, Ashley/Kaidan is waiting as Hackett's escort. They give Shepard a half smile. Paragon interrupt to smile back. They leave with Hackett. There is promise for the future.*

There you have it. Quick, clean, economical and nobody gets pissed off, and their potential isn't wasted.

HOWEVER:

I am not a Bioware writer. I am a college freshman who is enjoying his day off. I am disappointed about VS not having even a tiny cameo, e-mail or video message with Shepard. But I am not ranting about it. Not when ME3 is coming fast, and I am sure to fangasm when they show off the gameplay and relationship trailers at E3.

But I am patient. I can wait. We simply need to be mature. Vent our energy in healthy exercise and fanfiction

[Lee337]

The VS being in arrival is subject to backstory we don't have, if we find out in ME3 that they weren't doing much of anything, then critisism could be made on including the VS into the DLC.

[Made Nightwing]

Quole wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
Yes and in Me3 Shepard could physically punch a hole in a reaper, but for now it's hypotheicals. What we have is ME2 LI's and Liara -2 Ashley and Kaidan -0. I'd evne be willing to bet that a few lines of dialouge and gettign to see the VS after Horizon would be accetable by soe fans, but the only othe time we can talk about them is with Anderson on the Citadel and evne then we sound betrayed. there's nothing positive about the VS in ME2.

Perhaps you VS fans should take the hint?

lol indeed

*Dark mountain pass. A woman begins speaking*

Mysterious Woman: The Talimancers dealt the VS fans many crushing blows. They trolled and mocked many times and drove us back. But we have survived, we have endured.

*Ashley steps out of the shadows*

Ashley: And we are not as weak as they once thought.

Et tu Quole?

[Iakus]

Lee337 wrote...

The fact you don't know something isn't evidence.

Not claiming certainty.  Claiming reason to doubt, and to be pessimistic

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

Based on Mac Walter's recent interview, it seems relatively clear that Bioware is deciding which party members from ME2 return based on their popularity. To that end, it's very likely that characters like Garrus and Tali will be there. They may not have a clear role besides helping Shepard, but then neither did Ashley/Kaidan. The only party member Shepard actually brings whom he clearly needs is Liara. The rest were truly expendable.

I was under the impression that he was referring to minor characters; Shiala, the biotic god, Refund Guy, Nassana Dantius, those type of folk.  If former squadmates are now being judged based on popularity whether they return or not, that renders the entire concept of choices having consequences in ME 2 meaningless. 

"Sorry, Jack, you just don't have the Awesomesauce factor of Thane or Tali, you've been voted off"
"But I survived the Suicide Mission! I'm the greatest biotic EVAR!  I' m a love interest!" 
"Sorry, you don't have the rear of Miranda or the hips of Tali.  And you're loyalty mission was too depressing.  Don't feel too bad, Jacob didn't make the cut either.  See ya!"
"::expletive::"

Edit:  This is only in regards to characters returning.  Not returning as squadmates.  Personally I don't care if a given character becomes a squadmate again in a subsequent game, as long as the character in question has a decent NPC role.

Modifié par iakus, 01 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[ADLegend21]

Il Divo wrote...

Based on Mac Walter's recent interview, it seems relatively clear that Bioware is deciding which party members from ME2 return based on their popularity. To that end, it's very likely that characters like Garrus and Tali will be there. They may not have a clear role besides helping Shepard, but then neither did Ashley/Kaidan. The only party member Shepard actually brings whom he clearly needs is Liara. The rest were truly expendable.

Well so long Jacob. Yet another human tossed aside

[Tazzmission]

Lee337 wrote...

Ray Joel Oh wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...
aprils issue of game informer promises to have me3 information on the gameplay so we'll find out soon



link to info


http://gamrfeed.vgch...ing-next-month/

Time to start considering going into radio silence or risking spoiler exposure...  Damn it!  To read or not to read.

I would think its way too early to get any real spoilers, I might risk it!

all it says is this issue will discuss me3's gameplay.... the article dosent spoil anything at all

[Tazzmission]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Based on Mac Walter's recent interview, it seems relatively clear that Bioware is deciding which party members from ME2 return based on their popularity. To that end, it's very likely that characters like Garrus and Tali will be there. They may not have a clear role besides helping Shepard, but then neither did Ashley/Kaidan. The only party member Shepard actually brings whom he clearly needs is Liara. The rest were truly expendable.

Well so long Jacob. Yet another human tossed aside

if this is true


1. zaeed

2. kasumi


3. garuss

4. tali


5. wrex/grunt

6. legion

7. thane

are the most enjoyed by fans

[Ferginator]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

They wanted Liara to be the Shadow Broker so she got her DLC. Remember not everyone romanced Liara.

Ash/Kai were not really needed for this DLC but it would have been nice to see them. Im sure they will feature in ME3 in a big way now that Shep faces trial. I can see them coming to his aid and then rejoining him/her.

Ya and liara fits to be the shadow broker too, do you see kaiden or ashley being the SB?

[Tazzmission]

Ferginator wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

They wanted Liara to be the Shadow Broker so she got her DLC. Remember not everyone romanced Liara.

Ash/Kai were not really needed for this DLC but it would have been nice to see them. Im sure they will feature in ME3 in a big way now that Shep faces trial. I can see them coming to his aid and then rejoining him/her.

Ya and liara fits to be the shadow broker too, do you see kaiden or ashley being the SB?

i say this in a non hostile way but can we all move on from this? me3 is gona be mentioned in the next issue of game informer and everyone wants to continue discussing a game that is now officially over. and like i said im not trying to be rude but wheres the me3 love at?

[jeweledleah]

you know about Liara and shadow broker...anyone remember that interesting call you get after completing Cerberus missions and finding Kahoku? when I first played it I always wondered if it wouldn't come back to bite me on a behind later, refusing to pass along that information...

I think, it might have been meant to come back, as Kahoku mission is something that's much easier to stumble on then random "go into the system, get a call from Hackett" missions.

and then ME2 and LoSB happened and now that decision that I used to think over is rendered completely pointless as regardless of what I chose there, it doesn't matter anymore. it makes me wonder about Liara's role as SB and whether it was originally planned. after all - ME changed lead writers and it seems like Mac Walters has different ideas about where the story should go from Drew.

so many directions have changed...characters have changed, some evolved natural, others were pigeonholed into evolving in a direction that is just.. off (Liara, Kaidan, Ashley) LoSB showed the glimpses of old Liara, showed that yes, the shy, passionate about discovery and knowledge bookworm is still in there, just grown up and toughened up. is it a wonder that VS fans wanted the same for their favorite characters? the explanation just what the heck happened there? is it a wonder that they are feeling sad and lacking hope now?

we don't know what will happen in ME3. but so far, the precedent shows that it most likely will not be return of the personalities that we liked so much in original installment.

[Professor Panda]

No reason why they're not in the DLC? Well maybe because, I dunno, THEY DON'T FIT INTO THE PLOT AT ALL?!?!? Wow it's like your just looking for reasons to get all pissy over. Get over it they didn't get any DLC you don't have to whine about it every chance you get.

[Made Nightwing]

Professor Panda wrote...

No reason why they're not in the DLC? Well maybe because, I dunno, THEY DON'T FIT INTO THE PLOT AT ALL?!?!? Wow it's like your just looking for reasons to get all pissy over. Get over it they didn't get any DLC you don't have to whine about it every chance you get.

Man, this argument has been had and dealt with. They might have fit in, we'll never know.  This thread has now become a haven for trolls. I recommend it be locked.

[Made Nightwing]

Professor Panda wrote...

No reason why they're not in the DLC? Well maybe because, I dunno, THEY DON'T FIT INTO THE PLOT AT ALL?!?!? Wow it's like your just looking for reasons to get all pissy over. Get over it they didn't get any DLC you don't have to whine about it every chance you get.

Man this argument is over. They might have fit in, they might not have. It is OVER! ME3 details will no doubt be cropping up over the next few months. this thread is just getting in the way. I recommend it be locked.