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[Mr.House]

darknoon5 wrote...
Oh, get off your bloody high horse. Maybe if you VS fans didn't whine and complain so much and vent all your rage on the forums, people wouldn't be so annoyed by you. Also, using the term "pew pew fans" just makes your views even less valid. I enjoyed ME2 more then ME1, and the only shooters I really play are Halo and half-life. (I hate activision.)

My favourite ME1 character was Wrex, before you say my fav characters weren't abused. Sure, Wrex got good content, but he still wasn't a squadmate. Bioware have said from the start that Ashley and Kaidan would be reserevd for ME3. It's people assuming that they have their own DLC when all evidence indicates otherwise that have led to all the butthurt.

You wounld't say the same if what has happen to the VS happen to Tali and Garrus so don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining.

[johnbonhamatron]

Mr.House wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

But at the same time many Liara fans were pissed with how she came off in the main game.

Diffrence with lIara is we where able to refirm the romance with Liara and we know where the hell it's going. There is nothing for the VS. All we have is a crappy cameo, a bad email and Bioware pissing on them.

And the overwhelming likelihood they'll be back in a big way in ME3. If they're simply saving up the conclusion to that character's story arc till the third game, why is it an issue them not being prominent characters in ME2?

[Fiery Phoenix]

shinobi602 wrote...

But on topic, the Virmire survivor better have an EPIC role in ME3 for their fans to get shafted this long, and I mean EPIC.

I will just agree with this.

[Saren100]

They couldve replaced the good indoctrinated docter with the vs?

[Tazzmission]

Mr.House wrote...

After beating it, I see no reason why they where not the dlc, this would bet he perfect time to bring them back so what is Biowares excuse? Do they plain not care about the characters, think no one cares for them and said screw it?

I think alot of us would like to know why they where not in the dlc, or even mentioned.

wow i really feel like im inbetween a fight between star wars nerds and star trek nerds when it comes to me gameplay fans and the vs fans

[Mr.House]

johnbonhamatron wrote...
And the overwhelming likelihood they'll be back in a big way in ME3. If they're simply saving up the conclusion to that character's story arc till the third game, why is it an issue them not being prominent characters in ME2?

What, there is an issue of wanting fare content and not going into ME3 with a huge disadvantage?

Oh sorry!

[darknoon5]

Mr.House wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
Oh, get off your bloody high horse. Maybe if you VS fans didn't whine and complain so much and vent all your rage on the forums, people wouldn't be so annoyed by you. Also, using the term "pew pew fans" just makes your views even less valid. I enjoyed ME2 more then ME1, and the only shooters I really play are Halo and half-life. (I hate activision.)

My favourite ME1 character was Wrex, before you say my fav characters weren't abused. Sure, Wrex got good content, but he still wasn't a squadmate. Bioware have said from the start that Ashley and Kaidan would be reserevd for ME3. It's people assuming that they have their own DLC when all evidence indicates otherwise that have led to all the butthurt.

You wounld't say the same if what has happen to the VS happen to Tali and Garrus so don't ****** in my ear and tell me it's raining.

Haha, stop assuming things you have no way of knowing. Garrus got better treatment then VS, sure, but he has 3 dialouges. No exaggeration. If Tali and Garrus had got  treatment similar to VS, I'd have been annoyed, but it wouldn't ruin the game and every single bit of DLC for me.

Besides, I've been lucky with Mass effect. With lots of other bioware series (including NVW2 and Kotor 2 where obsidian did the sequel) my favourite characters didn't even get cameos. Didn't stop me enjoying the sequels a load, and I haven't whined in the forums for ages. Go figure.

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

But
on topic, the Virmire survivor better have an EPIC role in ME3 for
their fans to get shafted this long, and I mean EPIC.

I will just agree with this.

Not quite to the extent as epic, but yes, I think Bioware would be short changing fans if they don't give them a good ME3 role.

Modifié par darknoon5, 29 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[Baihu1983]

Mr.House wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

But at the same time many Liara fans were pissed with how she came off in the main game.

Diffrence with lIara is we where able to refirm the romance with Liara and we know where the hell it's going. There is nothing for the VS. All we have is a crappy cameo, a bad email and Bioware pissing on them.

Again not everyone who played SB romanced Liara or even liked her in ME1 but BW decided it was important to have her become Broker before ME3. She had her reasons for acting off with Shepard and he fixed them. Now thanks to Arrival he has a way to fix his/her relationship with the VS. And again Bioware NEVER said both LI would get DLC.

[Sonataari]

What's this "VS" everyone is talking about? Only thing I can come up with is "Virmire Survivor", but dunno. Wasn't he or she already met up after finishing Horizon. I haven't yet played Overlord/LoSB/Arrival at all, but finished ME & ME2 once.

[johnbonhamatron]

Mr.House wrote...

johnbonhamatron wrote...
And the overwhelming likelihood they'll be back in a big way in ME3. If they're simply saving up the conclusion to that character's story arc till the third game, why is it an issue them not being prominent characters in ME2?

What, there is an issue of wanting fare content and not going into ME3 with a huge disadvantage?

Oh sorry!

I just don't think it's worth getting stressed over, since the only person who'll suffer in that case, if you stress yourself out, is, well, you. I just think it ain't worth pulling your hair out over a video game.

And sorry if I sounded like I was having a pop at you, I didn't mean to come across like that.

[Baihu1983]

Sonataari wrote...

What's this "VS" everyone is talking about? Only thing I can come up with is "Virmire Survivor", but dunno. Wasn't he or she already met up after finishing Horizon. I haven't yet played Overlord/LoSB/Arrival at all, but finished ME & ME2 once.

Thats it the Virmire Survivor. You only see them the one time on Horizon in ME2 and they dont appear in any DLC[unless you let the timer run out in Arrival.]. But from the sounds of it they will feature in ME3 in a bigger role.

[AquamanOS]

If Liara isn't a squadmate in 3 (and I'm starting to think she won't be, she was the only important character no where to be seen in that Arrival bad ending clip) while VS is (and is in fact the main squadmate Shep talks to in cutscenes like Ash/Kaiden and Miranda/Jacob) doesn't that seem fair?

Liara: squadmate once then DLC only before forced into a background role for the rest of the series.

VS: Squadmate twice.

Would balance it out.

[TheZanSnake]

I don't really think they could have fit in with the story. Especially as it was just YOU sent in to rescuee Kenson in the first place. If the VS's altercation went better on Horizon, maybe they could fit something in, but could have ruined the story. The fact that it is optional when to play the DLC is kind of hard to establish a point where something like a heart-warming moment between two characters is hard. I would expect the VS and Shep to have some kind of 'romantic' scene in ME3. And i firmly believe that BioWare will do it magically.

[Baihu1983]

AquamanOS wrote...

If Liara isn't a squadmate in 3 (and I'm starting to think she won't be, she was the only important character no where to be seen in that Arrival bad ending clip) while VS is (and is in fact the main squadmate Shep talks to in cutscenes like Ash/Kaiden and Miranda/Jacob) doesn't that seem fair?

Liara: squadmate once then DLC only before forced into a background role for the rest of the series.

VS: Squadmate twice.

Would balance it out.

Well she would have been in the SB base which could be the best place to hide when the attack happens.

[Tazzmission]

TheZanSnake wrote...

I don't really think they could have fit in with the story. Especially as it was just YOU sent in to rescuee Kenson in the first place. If the VS's altercation went better on Horizon, maybe they could fit something in, but could have ruined the story. The fact that it is optional when to play the DLC is kind of hard to establish a point where something like a heart-warming moment between two characters is hard. I would expect the VS and Shep to have some kind of 'romantic' scene in ME3. And i firmly believe that BioWare will do it magically.

actually the vs would be great after you confront anderson about ash/ kadian were on horizon. after you complete horizon. that opens a door to a great storyline

Modifié par Tazzmission, 29 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[SmokePants]

VS is screwed and has always been screwed since they became the Virmire Survivor. It's essentially one character that requires two voice actors. Outside of Sheperd, no one is worth the cost to do that. I don't know how many times this has to keep happening for people to wake up and realize that you will never get your pot of gold. Or pot of chewed up tin foil in the case of Chief Pain-in-the-ass and Leautenant Wet-blanket.

[Jack Package]

It's "What's Bioware's excuse for the lack of VS in Arrival?"

Your You're welcome.

[Tazzmission]

SmokePants wrote...

VS is screwed and has always been screwed since they became the Virmire Survivor. It's essentially one character that requires two voice actors. Outside of Sheperd, no one is worth the cost to do that. I don't know how many times this has to keep happening for people to wake up and realize that you will never get your pot of gold. Or pot of chewed up tin foil in the case of Chief Pain-in-the-ass and Leautenant Wet-blanket.

finally another poster who has the balls to  tell the vs fans to stfu i applaude you sir

[Eradyn]

Look, let's face reality. It isn't a case of the VS not being able to fit into the story. This is ME...it's not real life and it isn't like BW can't write a great story that fits the VS in. Because if they wanted to, they could have. Unfortunately the VS lacks one quality that Liara has...and it's that they aren't a developer's pet. Does it make it unfair for any character that isn't Liara? Yes...but BW can and will do whatever they want in their games...for better or worse. Unfortunately I wouldn't bank on the VS playing a significant role in ME3 at this point...as someone else mentioned regarding the DLC. Would it be nice, or fair even, if the VS was back for ME3? Yes! And I really want Ash back in a non-crappy capacity...but at this point, I think it safer to accept that they will not be treated thus by BW, considering the trend BW's displayed thus far regarding the VS. And, yeah, that sucks.

[Marta Rio]

I was actually really hoping the VS would show up in Arrival for 2 reasons:

(1) I actually kind of feel bad for their fans, as I'm not totally without empathy.

and more importantly:

(2) The fact that they aren't in Arrival increases the chances that they will play a big role in ME3. I'm of the opinion that Bioware is not totally going to shaft the Ash/Kaidan fans (although I wouldn't completely rule it out).   And since I'm totally "meh" about both characters, I would have rather seen them play a big role in the DLC, and a normal-sized role in ME3 than no role in the DLC and a large role in ME3. 

[Epiphanus]

Honestly the VS is the weakest squad member (depth-wise) of any to be featured in either game.  Especially Kaiden.  I won't be disappointed if they aren't squad members in 3.  However, I can understand that people would be upset about them not getting some sort of DLC towards them, but it just doesn't make sense for arrival.  They would have felt incredibly out of place in Arrival.  I'm sure they'll be in 3, people just need to calm down and be patient.

[yoshibb]

Why is it hard to understand that maybe the fans of Kaidan and Ashley would like to be treated fairly. From the ME1 squad the only character that doesn't really have a role in ME3 is the VS.

Garrus - 2 games as squadmate, loyal to Shepard no matter what, I don't see him leaving
Tali - 2 games as squadmate, connected to the quarians and geth storyline
Liara - 1 game as squadmate and featured DLC, new role as shadowbroker
Wrex - 1 game as squadmate, connected to the Krogans' storyline

VS - 1 game as squadmate, refused to work with Shepard on account of morals, no role besides Alliance soldier

Look, it's not that bad that Kaidan and Ashley didn't get their own DLC. It is annoying that since Horizon they haven't even gotten a mention. There are moments when Liara is mentioned in DLC but not Kaidan or Ashley. They simply disappeared and unlike Liara, we don't even know where they are! We have not gotten one tidbit of info about future plans for these characters. And anytime we ask about these characters, we get the 'wait and see' line.

I understand not pulling back their voice actors for DLC, but not mentioning them, not allowing Shepard to comment on them when appropriate, acting like they don't exist, is not exactly filling the fans of these characters with much hope for ME3.

[AlphaJarmel]

The game over sceen if you let the clock runs down, shows alot of your old squadmates standing against the Reaper threat before being killed. It could be a hint that they're bringing back everyone for ME3. Stop freaking out and just wait until E3 where there should be a huge info dump.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 29 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[Dave of Canada]

I like Ashley, I wanted a VS DLC as much as the next guy but there's no "excuse". They are saving them for ME3, that's it. Don't play the victim, any hype / expectation of a VS DLC is of your own making. I rather they be added where it makes sense than being forced down our throats because you like to talk with Kaidan / Ashley to go "Okay, see you in the sequel.".

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[Thestral]

Mr.House wrote...

After beating it, I see no reason why they where not the dlc, this would bet he perfect time to bring them back so what is Biowares excuse? Do they plain not care about the characters, think no one cares for them and said screw it?

I think alot of us would like to know why they where not in the dlc, or even mentioned.

I'm attached to both VS and would like to see that story thread beautifully resolved/dealt with in Mass 3 [in my relevant saves, anyway]; but I thought Admiral Hackett emphasized that the mission wasn't an Alliance operation [VS being firmly Alliance] but a personal favor to him instead. Doesn't he also emphasize the need and importance for Shep to go in alone? At what point during the story of Arrival, do you propose, would the VS showing up make sense?

Someone wrote...
but it just doesn't make sense for arrival.  They would have felt incredibly out of place in Arrival.  I'm sure they'll be in 3, people just need to calm down and be patient.

^ This.

Modifié par Thestral, 29 mars 2011 - 05:38 .