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[Estelindis]

Epiphanus wrote...

Honestly the VS is the weakest squad member (depth-wise) of any to be featured in either game.  Especially Kaiden.  I won't be disappointed if they aren't squad members in 3.  However, I can understand that people would be upset about them not getting some sort of DLC towards them, but it just doesn't make sense for arrival.  They would have felt incredibly out of place in Arrival.  I'm sure they'll be in 3, people just need to calm down and be patient.

They have a lot of fans who appreciate their strengths and subtle qualities.  But perhaps they'd seem deeper to other people (such as yourself) if they'd featured in anything more than a cursory fashion in ME2 or its DLC.  A lot of people had little love for Liara until LotSB, and DLC could have turned things around for Ash and Kai as well.  This is particularly going to be the case for PS3 players, as they get so much DLC for free (including LotSB).

I agree that we need to be calm and patient, but it's difficult after we've already been waiting for so long (and after seeing Liara get such preferential treatment by comparison to the other two characters Shepard can romance in ME1, yet Bioware claims all such characters are equal in their eyes).  I do have high hopes still - but as ME3 is the last chance, and we can't really advocate for more Ash or Kai after it's released, we have to do our best to make our voices heard before its release.  If Bioware listens to its fans, then it will hear us speaking.  Yes: sometimes whining and moaning, to be sure, but also offering lots of constructive feedback and suggestions.  :-)

[yoshibb]

SmokePants wrote...

VS is screwed and has always been screwed since they became the Virmire Survivor. It's essentially one character that requires two voice actors. Outside of Sheperd, no one is worth the cost to do that. I don't know how many times this has to keep happening for people to wake up and realize that you will never get your pot of gold. Or pot of chewed up tin foil in the case of Chief Pain-in-the-ass and Leautenant Wet-blanket.

I don't see what's so hard to implement. It's an extra squadmate that's all. Just one person will have one and another person will have the other. Just like how they did it up to a point in DA2 with your sibling.

[ObserverStatus]

gogman25 wrote...

Aside from the above, imagine how much it would cost to do two different characters without them being clones of each other like Horizon.

The cost would probably be about the same as having two different characters without them being clones of each other  in "Witch Hunt"

[ADLegend21]

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

This. AFter saying Love interests were treated equal if one ME1 Li gets to reconcile why not the other two?

[Merchant2006]

Oh great, another "why didn't I get X because I'm entitled to X and stop treating us like X" threads.

Honestly, I don't even think BioWare had any plans for Kaiden/Ash as DLC in ME2. This pretty much means they'll have a bigger role in ME3. Stop being so negative and look forward to the next game. BioWare do not need to throw in characters just because a group of diehard fanatics group together and make a thread with 3 digit page numbers.

[Siansonea]

My hope is that the Virmire Survivor will have a pivotal role in Mass Effect 3, and due to that extensive role, they are limited in their ME2+DLC screen time to cut down on variable generation. Liara's DLC pretty much pinned her in one spot for the beginning of ME3, so it stands to reason that the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC implemented her story in that way. I'm sure the romance stuff was just an afterthought. Would I have loved to have seen Ash or Kaidan again before ME3? Of course. But I'm not going to be too upset until I know for certain that they are being given short shrift in ME3. I'm actually thinking that their absence in this story is a sign that they are being saved for ME3 in a significant way, and that if anything, Liara's role in the next game will be diminished.

[Dave of Canada]

yoshibb wrote...

I don't see what's so hard to implement. It's an extra squadmate that's all. Just one person will have one and another person will have the other. Just like how they did it up to a point in DA2 with your sibling.

You act as having an extra squadmate with all his/her dialogue is simple, it isn't. I think people would be more pissed off with a half-assed cameo than none at all.

[Markinator_123]

I hated both Kaidan and Ashley. If the VS is going to have a larger role in ME3, then it is going to be very disappointing to me. Seriously, I wish I could have let them both die on Virmire.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 29 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[ObserverStatus]

Markinator_123 wrote...

I hated both Kaidan and Ashley. If the VS is going to have a larger role in ME3, then it is going to be very disappointing to me. Seriously, I wish I could have let them both die on Virmire.

you're going to need one of these dude

Modifié par bobobo878, 29 mars 2011 - 06:07 .

[ADLegend21]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Oh great, another "why didn't I get X because I'm entitled to X and stop treating us like X" threads.

Honestly, I don't even think BioWare had any plans for Kaiden/Ash as DLC in ME2. This pretty much means they'll have a bigger role in ME3. Stop being so negative and look forward to the next game. BioWare do not need to throw in characters just because a group of diehard fanatics group together and make a thread with 3 digit page numbers.

The same can be said about the Garrus and Tali romances which were the product of them listneing to diehard fanatic groups that made threads with 3 digit page numbers.

[nevar00]

I'm surprised so many people here like the VS so much. I personally couldn't care less if they showed up or not. And they did not, and there really wasn't any place to fill them in during Arrival. It was a fairly short DLC anyway, I assume if they ever do get a DLC it will be about the size of Liara's.

[nevar00]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

Oh great, another "why didn't I get X because I'm entitled to X and stop treating us like X" threads.

Honestly, I don't even think BioWare had any plans for Kaiden/Ash as DLC in ME2. This pretty much means they'll have a bigger role in ME3. Stop being so negative and look forward to the next game. BioWare do not need to throw in characters just because a group of diehard fanatics group together and make a thread with 3 digit page numbers.

The same can be said about the Garrus and Tali romances which were the product of them listneing to diehard fanatic groups that made threads with 3 digit page numbers.

Actually Tali (and I'm assuming Garrus) were originally supposed to be romance options in the first game, but ended up cut... just sayin.

[Dave of Canada]

ADLegend21 wrote...

The same can be said about the Garrus and Tali romances which were the product of them listneing to diehard fanatic groups that made threads with 3 digit page numbers.

You mean 4 digit page numbers for Garrus / Tali threads before ME2 was launched.

And they didn't complain every single moment like if they were being purposely ignored.

[ADLegend21]

Dave of Canada wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

The same can be said about the Garrus and Tali romances which were the product of them listneing to diehard fanatic groups that made threads with 3 digit page numbers.

You mean 4 digit page numbers for Garrus / Tali threads before ME2 was launched.

And they didn't complain every single moment like if they were being purposely ignored.

alright 4 digits, but the key is that they weren't ignored and got what they asked for. No such lukc for Ashley and Kaidan fans. If Ashley and Kaidan had a similar DLC as Liara I can bet the "whining" as haters call it would stop immediately.

[Kingthlayer]

There was never any mention at all that the VS would ever be included in any kind of DLC for ME2. VS is in no way equal to Liara, in fact no companion in either game is equal to Liara. I would go as far to say other then Shepard, Liara is the face of Mass Effect. Especially if in the next Mass Effect game they go a few hundred years in the future, Liara will still be around. Making Liara the most important character in the Mass Effect universe.

Making Liara the Shadow Broker was something that had to be done prior to the Reaper invasion because quite frankly going after the Shadow Broker and the Reapers at the same time is just stupid.

The VS is just a soldier, nothing special about them. And in no way did they fit into the Arrival DLC. As for ME3 I still don't see them as a full time squad mate, but I do see them as a temporary companion protection some world from the Reapers, possibly Eden Prime. At which point you have to make a decision to either sacrifice the VS or your current LI. Assuming you romanced one of them and then re-romanced in ME2. After that mission they take a spot on the ship. IMO that's the best way to implement them back into the story, the players who don't like them can just kill them off once and for all, and the players who do like them can keep them.,

[Seauton]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

The same can be said about the Garrus and Tali romances which were the product of them listneing to diehard fanatic groups that made threads with 3 digit page numbers.

You mean 4 digit page numbers for Garrus / Tali threads before ME2 was launched.

And they didn't complain every single moment like if they were being purposely ignored.

alright 4 digits, but the key is that they weren't ignored and got what they asked for. No such lukc for Ashley and Kaidan fans. If Ashley and Kaidan had a similar DLC as Liara I can bet the "whining" as haters call it would stop immediately.

Maybe Garrus and Tali were included as romance options so that come Mass Effect 3 there is a strong link to either the Quarians or Turians when it comes time to recruit other races to the cause of defending the universe? Having Garrus or Tali vouche for you could be a huge help to your mission. Maybe its not about listening to one fan base and ignoring another at all.

[AlphaJarmel]

Indeed Liara is almost automatically assumed to be the canon love romance. I mean in the Redemption comic neither Ashley nor Kaidan were anywhere to be seen.

[AdmiralCheez]

How come Gianna Parasini got a cameo and little sidequest in ME2 but Lorik Qui'in didn't?! Not fair, Bioware, not fair!

[Kronner]

Neither Kaidan nor Ashley is competent. Oblivious to the apparent Reaper threat, so what would they do in Arrival?

[Dave of Canada]

ADLegend21 wrote...

alright 4 digits, but the key is that they weren't ignored and got what they asked for. No such lukc for Ashley and Kaidan fans. If Ashley and Kaidan had a similar DLC as Liara I can bet the "whining" as haters call it would stop immediately.

You're not ignored, DLC is pre-planned even before the game comes out. They can't suddenly decide to scrap all their resources and start again because a few people on the forums want to talk with their romance character, game design isn't as simplistic as pressing a button and hearing Picard say "Make it so.".

Though each time they do anything, people take it as a personal attack against their character. This thread alone proves that Bioware has to somehow explain themselves for not introducing a character because a few people decided to hype for a hypothetical DLC that wouldn't exist regardless.

Did I want a VS DLC? Yes. Am I upset that there's none? Yes. Do I feel ignored? No. Trying to act like if you're being ignored by everybody else and saying that Bioware hates the Virmire Survivor is just hyperbole created from a hypothetical scenario that players built themselves.

So instead of having it shoehorned into a DLC that wouldn't have fit with the overall arc of the VS, I'm glad they will work on it for ME3. This should be a good thing.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 mars 2011 - 06:30 .

[Welsh Inferno]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

How come Gianna Parasini got a cameo and little sidequest in ME2 but Lorik Qui'in didn't?! Not fair, Bioware, not fair!

Holy sh*t you're right!

NERD RAGE ENGAGED 

[Nozybidaj]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

This. AFter saying Love interests were treated equal if one ME1 Li gets to reconcile why not the other two?

I feel for you, but not all of us got to reconcile.  Never should have had to rely on DLC to get what should have been in the main game anyways.  Never should have been any reason to "reconcile".  ME2 should never have been ME2 to start with, should have been a spinoff to hold us over til lthe real ME2.  Meh, whatever, guess I'll be waiting on the sequel to ME1 forever.

[Cancer Puppet]

Off-topic, but could those of you who can't tell when it is appropriate to use the word THEIR instead of there or they're, YOU'RE instead of your, and TO instead of too or two PLEASE go back to effin' school! Thank you, that is all.