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[Fault Girl]

I'm glad they weren't in Arrival, it wouldn't have worked. Kaidan is my favourite character, I trust Bioware to conclude his romance etc in ME3. If the game is bloody good without them being a key PC I would be happy but if they are a squad mate that would be even better.

I'm not getting my hopes high, but Bioware have not let me down so far, so let's keep positive for ME3!

[SmokePants]

yoshibb wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

VS is screwed and has always been screwed since they became the Virmire Survivor. It's essentially one character that requires two voice actors. Outside of Sheperd, no one is worth the cost to do that. I don't know how many times this has to keep happening for people to wake up and realize that you will never get your pot of gold. Or pot of chewed up tin foil in the case of Chief Pain-in-the-ass and Leautenant Wet-blanket.

I don't see what's so hard to implement. It's an extra squadmate that's all. Just one person will have one and another person will have the other. Just like how they did it up to a point in DA2 with your sibling.

It's not difficulty of implementation, it's money.  These things have budgets. Voice actors cost money. If you don't want each character to be saying the same lines as the other, you have to write two sets of dialogue. More money.

DA2's Hawke siblings are a great example. You only briefly have access to them, because it would have cost money to keep them around for the entirety of the game. Since they were mutually exlusive characters, they were not treated the same as the other "full companion characters.

The reason DA2 has them and this DLC doesn't, is because DA2 can amortize the cost over a full retail game. A $7 DLC released over a year after the game came out isn't going to reach as many people or earn enough money to offset the cost.

Lance Henriksen ain't cheap. His inclusion in the DLC should have clued people in that a VS cameo was unlikely.

And if they had included them, they would have had to come up with a reason to take them away, which would have probably upset and frustrated more people than they pleased by including them.

I would urge people to recognize some very obvious patterns here. Liara is a single character with a single voice actor, who is alive for everyone ---> DLC. Hacket is a single character with a single voice actor, who is alive for everyone --> DLC. VS --> Two mutually exclusive characters with two voice actors, both of which are dead for some and alive for others --> No DLC. There is no favoritism at play. It's just logistics and the realities of development.

[ADLegend21]

Dave of Canada wrote...

You're not ignored, DLC is pre-planned even before the game comes out. They can't suddenly decide to scrap all their resources and start again because a few people on the forums want to talk with their romance character, game design isn't as simplistic as pressing a button and hearing Picard say "Make it so.".

Though each time they do anything, people take it as a personal attack against their character. This thread alone proves that Bioware has to somehow explain themselves for not introducing a character because a few people decided to hype for a hypothetical DLC that wouldn't exist regardless.

Did I want a VS DLC? Yes. Am I upset that there's none? Yes. Do I feel ignored? No. Trying to act like if you're being ignored by everybody else and saying that Bioware hates the Virmire Survivor is just hyperbole created from a hypothetical scenario that players built themselves.

So instead of having it shoehorned into a DLC that wouldn't have fit with the overall arc of the VS, I'm glad they will work on it for ME3. This should be a good thing.

While it Should be a good thing, it isn't. Sure Bioware doesn't HAVE to explain what they do to anyone, but they repeatedly say "oh we listen to fans" and "We take feedback from fans and critics alike" and even make formerly unroamnceable characters romanceable by popular demand it seems like short changing when two differnt characters are asked to be inculded in the second installment of a series by popular demand and it goes unanswered. Also it's not soley about the DLC. there are other things like Kasumi mentioning the liara romance to a player after seeing her on illium, but not mentioning Kaidan or Ashley after Horizon, it's the crappy email and not being able to at least go visiti the VS with a set amount of dialouge like you could with Pre-LoTSB Liaraon Illium, it's the VS not having a file in the sHadow Brokers database when everyone and their grandmother has a file but one person is just so hard to gather intel on. the absence of a DLC is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. It also makes people think that "oh they weren't in the second game so why the hell would they be in the third game?" Especially when one of the writers for said character was let go before the second game. I will gladly eat all of these words IF there's a ton of VS content and dialogue and a continuation of the Romance, but until then it just reeks of them being tossed aside.

[RPGmom28]

ADLegend, I like both Kaidan and Ash. It kills me to have to let one of them go on Virmire. It's always a kick in the gut to choose.
Reading over these boards, and playing the DLC that has already been released, I've decided it's simply a matter of numbers- marketing probably assumes not enough people really care about the characters and their histories for them to bother throwing us a bone. They're playing mostly to the shooter fan demographic and assuming it's the largest audience. Liara probably got DLC because the storyline fit and she was needed. I would LOVE some VS DLC, but I don't believe at this point it will happen, especially with the direction of the current DLC. And that's sad. But unsurprising =(

[ErebUs890]

What does Arrival have to do with Ashley/Kaiden?

[MisanthropePrime]

Okay, I'm out of the loop. Can someone do me a favor and explain what "VS" means? For a second I thought someone was asking for competitive multiplayer in Arrival.

[LordNige]

Have all the whiners completely forgotten that the real reason the VS didn't feature much in ME2 was because they are being saved for ME3? They wouldn't have fitted into arrivals story anyway, plus if you played the DLC straight after Horizon then they would still be preeetty pissed off at you.

[McTimbers]

Whats "VS"?

[ObserverStatus]

ErebUs890 wrote...

What does Arrival have to do with Ashley/Kaiden?

Ashley/Kaiden fans were hoping it was the arrival of the VS survivor.

[Jamesnew2]

Reason they wernt around in arrival is that it can be played straight after horizon... so you go from ashley/kaiden giving you the evil eye to jumping straight back on board to do a mission with you... unlikely.

[ErebUs890]

bobobo878 wrote...

Ashley/Kaiden fans were hoping it was the arrival of the VS survivor.

I'm sure there will be plenty of Kaiden/Ashley goodies in ME3. Perhaps even as a possible companion. Liara got her own specific DLC because she's going to play a much larger role than just another returning companion. 

[Sylvianus]

I don't think it's appropriate to blame Bioware, if indeed they ( KaidAN and Ashley ) have an important role in M3.

I love Ashley, but if the DLC was put in this risk whish diminushing its importance in M3, well I prefer she had no place in this DLC.

I understand that feeling you have, I feel the same, but we can see the long term.  We have long been expected, we can still wait a few months if it is really worth.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 29 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[ObserverStatus]

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't think it's appropriate to blame Bioware, if indeed they ( KaidAN and Ashley ) have an important role in M3.

You're right, this is EA's fault!  Bioware never held out on it's fans before getting acquired...

[Legbiter]

Shoehorning the VS into this DLC would have felt too much like blatant fan service so I'm not sad to have to wait for ME 3 personally.

[Dean_the_Young]

They could have fit in (quite well, even) from a story standpoint, but I'm betting that the biggest barrier, if there was a barrier as opposed to lack of interest, would have been getting both voice actors to record for it. Same fundamental problem most other DLC have with other people's lines besides Shepard and the scientist-of-the-week.

[Legbiter]

The amount of butthurt and obnoxious sense of entitlement in this thread is grating. Get a grip.

[Manic Sheep]

What’s their excuse? They don’t need an excuse for not having a character present. He/she wasn’t involved in it, that’s all. They never said the VS would be there.

[Abstract]

Ah, the sense of entitlement almost synonymous with VS fans. We have dismissed that claim. Also, suck it up. Bioware doesn't need an "Excuse" for not catering to a group of fanatics.

Modifié par Abstract, 29 mars 2011 - 08:13 .

[upsettingshorts]

What's your excuse for thinking - no, incredulously demanding - you have a right to specific story arcs in fiction you yourself are not writing?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 mars 2011 - 08:18 .

[ADLegend21]

Oh god look at all the hate from people who've gotten what they wanted by doing the same thing VS fans are doing now, yet since it's someone else it's "whining" same stuffahppened when people were begging to gt in Tali's suit and under garrus's armor. Hypocrites.

[upsettingshorts]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Hypocrites.

These may not even be the same people. 

You know, because I didn't demand any such thing. 

Asking for more content for characters you like is not the same thing as demanding answers when those wishes are not fulfilled. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 mars 2011 - 08:22 .

[Hyper_gateway]

After finishing Arrival, "foreseeing" Shepard will face the Trial @ Citadel, it is highly likely that Shepard will be in prison and VS shows up for a fugitive run. Since VS is the Alliance soldier and Earth is being attacked, VS has a very good reason to get Shepard out of Citadel to deal with the Reapers.

But the remaining question is whether VS will stay as your squadmate or not.

Modifié par Hyper_gateway, 29 mars 2011 - 08:22 .

[Abstract]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Oh god look at all the hate from people who've gotten what they wanted by doing the same thing VS fans are doing now, yet since it's someone else it's "whining" same stuffahppened when people were begging to gt in Tali's suit and under garrus's armor. Hypocrites.

I romanced Liara in ME1, I didn't demand or even ask for Liara DLC in ME2, nor did I expect it. Stop making generaliztions.

[Manic Sheep]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Oh god look at all the hate from people who've gotten what they wanted by doing the same thing VS fans are doing now, yet since it's someone else it's "whining" same stuffahppened when people were begging to gt in Tali's suit and under garrus's armor. Hypocrites.

and you are making this assumption that everyone telling people to stop ****ing are the ones who wanted the Tali and Garrus romance based off what?
FYI I’m a fan of both the VS's. Kaiden is my fav romance and I was a little disappointed they are not in the DLC but I'm not the one writing this story.

I’m not going to screen at bioware just because things didn't turn out exactly how I wanted and my fav character didn't get as much screen time as another. They don't have to be so political about writing a dam story because some people will be upset. Not to mention you have no idea what is going to happen in ME3 anyway. For all you know they might have a big role then.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 29 mars 2011 - 08:33 .