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[Estelindis]

eye basher wrote...

why wasn't the vs in arrival because hacket said that it wasn't an alliance op but more important is the fact that said op was in batarian space and the alliance can't go into their space without causing a war imagine if the batarians found out that an alliance sanctioned soldier was part of an op that ended up with an exploding relay and one of there colonys getting wiped out.

True, but that's what the plot was decided to be.  It could have always been decided as something slightly different that could have involved Ashley or Kaidan.

Anyway, what's done is done.  I hope they knock our socks off in ME3. 

[Thestral]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Thestral wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I will gladly eat all of these words IF there's a ton of VS content and dialogue and a continuation of the Romance, but until then it just reeks of them being tossed aside.

K but until then, are you going to whine? I hope not. 8|

you mean like you probably whined for your talimance? no but you can't tell me all the LI's are treated the same when two have bene left out of an entire game, with a small Cameo to hurt the player.

I see you didn't quite manage to read the part where I quoted Upsettingshorts essentially saying, "These may not even be the same people. I was not one of those people" [and therefore missed the point about how silly it is to make assumptions about the people that don't agree with you/think this amounts to whining/aren't enraged and or cutting themselves over the fact that the VS wasn't in Arrival. :| Pro-tip for you there bro; I didn't know Mass Effect, Dragon Age or BioWare existed until well after ME2 was released, hence no Talimance whining occurred. :]

I'm not telling you that all the LI/s are treated the same. On my first playthrough I came to love [both] the VS as characters; okay, so they're not in ME2 beyond Horizon [which hurt </3 :'D], or Arrival; brb while I don't rage on the internet like a self-entitled child [Manic Sheep phrased it right ] and demand that BioWare explain themselves. :|

Modifié par Thestral, 29 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[Manic Sheep]

jason9880 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Oh god look at all the hate from people who've gotten what they wanted by doing the same thing VS fans are doing now, yet since it's someone else it's "whining" same stuffahppened when people were begging to gt in Tali's suit and under garrus's armor. Hypocrites.

This
I seem to recall a lot of Liara fans upset with they way she was handled in the game. They go a DLC to resolve the issue. Ashley/Kaidan fans get jobbed on Horizon and they get NO way to resolve anything. Damn right we're upset.

There is a difference between being a disappointed and acting like a self entitled child because your fav character didn’t get portrayed the way you wanted, didn’t get a ton of screen time and bioware didn’t bend to your every demand and this is coming from a VS fan who never wanted a Garrus or Tali romance and doesn’t really like Liara.
When you write a story naturally some character are going to be more central and get more screen time than others. Liara has always been very central, even in ME1. The reason she got a starring role in the DLC is because it was about the SB and she became the new SB. Obviously she is going to be in the DLC. Liara becoming the SB is an important plot point. Arrival has little to do with Ashley or Kaidan. Why weren’t they there? Because there was no real reason for them to be there. I think it would be allot better if developers stopped trying to be politically correct about everything, stopped worrying about pandering to every section of their fan base and just took the story in the direction they want. Not to mention your jumping the gun and acting like you’re hard done by before ME3 has even been released. It will likely be resolved one way or another then.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 29 mars 2011 - 10:40 .

[kyles3]

There's a difference between expressing disappointment and talking crazy. Talking like the writers are personally slighting you because they're not doing exactly what you want with a character you like? That's crazy talk. It's their character, and they're going to do what they want with them.

If the story being written has a place for your favorite character, they'll be there. If not, you're just going to have to deal with it. If you don't want to be put in the position of being heartbroken because a story doesn't turn out how you want it to, don't be a fan.

Modifié par kyles3, 29 mars 2011 - 10:29 .

[Razorsedge820]

Ashley was my favorite Character back in ME1 but due to her lack of screen time she is slowly fading away as my favorite.

The way I see it we waited this long so why not hold out until the end of the year, lets hope Ashley and Kaidan get big roles in ME3, if not well you cant always get what you want.

[wildannie]

I'm hoping that the lack of VS dlc is because they are going to be a squadmate in ME3... maybe lotsb was made, in part, because Liara will not be a squadmate and will have a lesser role.

buuuut... I'm probably wrong, time will tell

[skaye]

Here's my guess: the VS will captain the ship that's sent to hunt you down when you're forced to go outlaw to counter the Reaper threat. The council might even make them a spectre (just as they made Shep a spectre to hunt down Saren...)

OK, long shot. But how awesome would that be?

[AdmiralCheez]

wildannie wrote...

I'm hoping that the lack of VS dlc is because they are going to be a squadmate in ME3... maybe lotsb was made, in part, because Liara will not be a squadmate and will have a lesser role.

buuuut... I'm probably wrong, time will tell

I had similar thoughts, actually.

Yes.  The one character that does not return as a squadmate is the one that can't die.  Ooh, how that would warm my black little heart!

[LPPrince]

They didn't want to and they don't need an excuse because they can and will do what they want. /thread

[Iakus]

skaye wrote...

Here's my guess: the VS will captain the ship that's sent to hunt you down when you're forced to go outlaw to counter the Reaper threat. The council might even make them a spectre (just as they made Shep a spectre to hunt down Saren...)

OK, long shot. But how awesome would that be?

...and then we're forced to kill them in self defense because they won't listen to our side fo the story.

You heard it here first!

[Kroepoek]

Lol at topic title. As if they must explain to you why the vs wasn't in there.

You feel yourself that important eh?

[skaye]

iakus wrote...

skaye wrote...

Here's my guess: the VS will captain the ship that's sent to hunt you down when you're forced to go outlaw to counter the Reaper threat. The council might even make them a spectre (just as they made Shep a spectre to hunt down Saren...)

OK, long shot. But how awesome would that be?

...and then we're forced to kill them in self defense because they won't listen to our side fo the story.

You heard it here first!

You and me, dude. We should be writing this stuff.

[Bann Duncan]

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

I'm a huge Ashley fan and most of my playthroughs had Shepard romance her, but the fact of the matter is that Liara is a far more important character in the Mass Effect universe. Ashley and Kaidan are just generic Alliance grunts.

There's a reason she's the only non-killable character in the series.

Modifié par Bann Duncan, 29 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

1.  $ / casting reasons
2.  wouldn't work with the story

I still want Kaidan and Ashley in future content.  And I don't see how taking shots at other characters or those who enjoy them helps.    Let's be adults, please.

[diskoh]

Mr.House wrote...

If they had no plans to reconcile the romance or friendship with Ash/Kai then they should not have done that with Liara, that's all there is too it.

You finally get it. it was a contest, and VS fans lost. Liara fans won because they worked harder. I hope it eats you alive!!!!!

[Thestral]

mrsph wrote...

Leaked movie of the VS encounter in Mass Effect 3

Beautiful.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Simple, they never promisded them. People just thought they would get their own DLC.

Common sense +1

delusional self-entitlement - 0

[illuminatus561]

Jibbed34 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Jibbed34 wrote...

Stop assuming that your favourite character will be featured in DLC. Simple.

Maybe if Bioware didn't treat the VS and there fans like crap we would not hold out hope for the last dlc.

Oh please, the world doesn't revolve around VS fans!

Treating you like crap, huh? What've they been doing then.. oh yeah, all the name-calling, banning, and teasing must be getting you lot down. Oh wait.

Grow up. Bioware has more important things to do (like provide plot-centric Reaper DLC such as Arrival), AND work on Mass Effect 3.

I don't know about you, but I'm more than grateful for the effort Bioware has put into the post-release support of this game. Maybe they're holding off with the VS because they're featured heavily in ME3? Did that ever occur to you? 

Couldn't have said it better myself Jibbed.

Look we can complain all day but at the end of the day, Bioware decides who gets special DLC and who doesn't. Bioware wanted Liara in as Shadow Broker, pure and simple. Would you guys have liked the VS to have been indoctrinated, or left on the asteroid? Or better yet deep cover on the world of Aratoht when the relay blew up?

Your complaining about them not in the DLC but if they had been in it, you'd be complaining if bioware didn't do something you liked with them.

I liked Kaiden (One of my femshep's kept her romance with him) and Ashley too and actual prefer to wait to see them in ME 3.

Bioware, thanks for always seeing the big picture and providing us with intriguing storylines.

[V-rex]

*sigh*

I'm saddened to see how much my demographic has become hated in this short amount of time. I'm also saddened to see that we aren't exactly being as adult about this whole situation as we should be being. But mostly I'm just upset that now even being a fan of the VS is enough to earn degrees of hatred.
I still don't think it's being 'entitled' to want to see your favorite character return to the game series (all we were ever doing was being hopeful, that's it!). It is quite entitled to demand it and to angrily retaliate to not getting it but at the same time I honestly think, if this crap had been happening to another character who was a lot more popular... I think people would be complaining about it too.

It's just human nature to complain about things that happen that we don't like. However in regards to certain of my fellow VS fans, I think complaining to the degree that we are doesn't help in any way. All it does is give the haters another reason to hate and alienate us from the rest of the community.
Arrival had never promised the VS to return, we made that assumption. It was wishful thinking on our part. And frankly considering how dry and barren our DLC wishing well had become, I don't see anything wrong with being hopeful. I myself, was hopeful.
I know with the whole 'Kasumi comments on all relationships save for VS' and 'the PS3 comic gives one lousy sentance of description to the VS while giving Liara a f*cking paragraph' are both valid reasons to feel undervalued, taking it out on other people doesn't help the situation. Yes it's annoying to have to wait all the way through to Mass Effect 3. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on.
Insulting people and sniping bitterly doesn't help the situation at all, if anything it's only going to make it worse.

How about instead of asking ourselves why Bioware didn't add them to DLC, instead ask what we think their role might be in Mass Effect 3? Sounds simple enough to me.
It's easy enough to complain, this is a lousy situation to be in. But is it really worth complaining to the point where we make everyone else sick of hearing us? Sick of talking to us? And to the point of enjoying mocking us?

I for one, do trust in Bioware's ability to at least try to add the characters into Mass Effect 3. It's a big enough game to accomodate them in any case. And I'd rather see the entire plot thread be resolved over the course of a full richly detailed game (assuming EA doesn't get their grubby claws too deeply into it) then see it hastily resolved in a quick DLC. And I'm sure if you really think about it, you'd probably like that too.

Can we please try to set the example that we aren't screaming hysterical fanatics? We understand that it was never promised in Arrival, we are dissapointed that the VS isn't in Arrival but we are ready to move on.

Modifié par V-rex, 30 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[Iakus]

V-rex wrote...

*sigh*

I'm saddened to see how much my demographic has become hated in this short amount of time. I'm also saddened to see that we aren't exactly being as adult about this whole situation as we should be being. But mostly I'm just upset that now even being a fan of the VS is enough to earn degrees of hatred.
I still don't think it's being 'entitled' to want to see your favorite character return to the game series (all we were ever doing was being hopeful, that's it!). It is quite entitled to demand it and to angrily retaliate to not getting it but at the same time I honestly think, if this crap had been happening to another character who was a lot more popular... I think people would be complaining about it too.

It's just human nature to complain about things that happen that we don't like. However in regards to certain of my fellow VS fans, I think complaining to the degree that we are doesn't help in any way. All it does is give the haters another reason to hate and alienate us from the rest of the community.
Arrival had never promised the VS to return, we made that assumption. It was wishful thinking on our part. And frankly considering how dry and barren our DLC wishing well had become, I don't see anything wrong with being hopeful. I myself, was hopeful.
I know with the whole 'Kasumi comments on all relationships save for VS' and 'the PS3 comic gives one lousy sentance of description to the VS while giving Liara a f*cking paragraph' are both valid reasons to feel undervalued, taking it out on other people doesn't help the situation. Yes it's annoying to have to wait all the way through to Mass Effect 3. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on.
Insulting people and sniping bitterly doesn't help the situation at all, if anything it's only going to make it worse.

How about instead of asking ourselves why Bioware didn't add them to DLC, instead ask what we think their role might be in Mass Effect 3? Sounds simple enough to me.
It's easy enough to complain, this is a lousy situation to be in. But is it really worth complaining to the point where we make everyone else sick of hearing us? Sick of talking to us? And to the point of enjoying mocking us?

I for one, do trust in Bioware's ability to at least try to add the characters into Mass Effect 3. It's a big enough game to accomodate them in any case. And I'd rather see the entire plot thread be resolved over the course of a full richly detailed game (assuming EA doesn't get their grubby claws too deeply into it) then see it hastily resolved in a quick DLC. And I'm sure if you really think about it, you'd probably like that too.

Can we please try to set the example that we aren't screaming hysterical fanatics? We understand that it was never promised in Arrival, we are dissapointed that the VS isn't in Arrival but we are ready to move on.

Well said.  If people are to be taken seriously, they need to act maturely.  Haters are gonna hate.  Don't give them more ammunition.  Though I fear I can't share your optimism about ME 3.

In speculating about what is to come, you first look at patterns in what has already happened.  What we have seen in ME 2 and in the Genesis comic is, quite frankly, not encouraging.  Bioware went out of it's way to alienate and marginalize the VS, then ignored them from then on.  I have little reason to believe anything but a barren asteroid is in their future in ME 3 anyway.  I'm not upset about Arrival.  I'm peeved about the entirety of how ME 2 treated the VS.  Arrival was simply their last chance to somehow make it right and give me hope for ME3

No, I do not feel entitled to a VS-centric piece of dlc, nor the VS as a squadmate.  Not even in ME 3.  All I feel entitled to is a scene.  One scene of reconciliation for Horizon.  A few lines and a couple of dialogue choices.  It could even be via comm buoy.  One scene that shows that the VS is not, in fact forgotten.  Something besides vague words and promises of dubious quality that there's hope for ME3.

[JThompson6577]

Mr.House wrote...

After beating it, I see no reason why they where not the dlc, this would bet he perfect time to bring them back so what is Biowares excuse? Do they plain not care about the characters, think no one cares for them and said screw it?

I think alot of us would like to know why they where not in the dlc, or even mentioned.

It'd be a lot shorter.

VS: "I'm here to help Shepard!"

Shepard: "Just like on Horizon!"

VS: "But-"

Shep: "Cop a walk."

VS: "I-"

Shep: "I said, cop a walk! Beat it!"

[mopotter]

eye basher wrote...

why wasn't the vs in arrival because hacket said that it wasn't an alliance op but more important is the fact that said op was in batarian space and the alliance can't go into their space without causing a war imagine if the batarians found out that an alliance sanctioned soldier was part of an op that ended up with an exploding relay and one of there colonys getting wiped out.

I'm a Kaidan/Ash diehard fan but this makes sense and I'll wait till ME3 comes out before I go balistic.  

I liked Shawdow Broker  and rationally I can see where they wouldn't want to have the VS survivor in a dlc becuase it's two people instead of the one.  It would have been nice, very very nice, but if the dlc is good I'll hold off on yelling too much.  

[esideras]

I don't see how they would make sense in this DLC.
Liara is a different story and makes sense.

I thought we were through thinking ME was a dating sim.

[Sylvianus]

I am the only one who knows the situation between humans and batarians, read the codex, read cdn which demonstrated the tension between Alliance and Batarian Hegemony?

How two soldiers of  Alliance could find in a mission to save a terrorist alleged without involving Alliance? I await an explanation.

We see elsewhere in this dlc suspicious Batarians that trying to make Kenson confess that humans support it ...

I prefer to see Ashley/kaidan in a great role in M3. I think we would not at all happy in this dlc.  We would not even have their voice ...

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 mars 2011 - 01:17 .