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[CmdrKankrelat]

Mr.House wrote...

After beating it, I see no reason why they where not the dlc, this would bet he perfect time to bring them back so what is Biowares excuse? Do they plain not care about the characters, think no one cares for them and said screw it?

I think alot of us would like to know why they where not in the dlc, or even mentioned.

Because DLC development doesn't have unlimited resources.  To feature the VS, they'd have to get both Kim Brooks and Raphael Sbarge up to Edmonton (or wherever they developed this, I've heard Montreal), get them into the recording studio, and record a handful of lines, given the length of the DLC, including little battle smack-talk soundbites like "Got one!"  It wouldn't be worth it, and perhaps getting Lance broke their VA bank, who knows.  They had the resources to get Kim and Raph in to record a few lines for ME2, because that was a full-out game.  This is just a little DLC, a small project to give us something to do while we wait for ME3 and set the stage for that game.  It doesn't have the resources of a full game, nor should it.  Just wait until ME3 - I bet the VS will show up there.   

[DxWill10]

Just about every major character in the series had more character development than the VS. (Especially ME2) More character development = more things to love about that character. Equally, less character development = less to love about them. So why on earth are people so obsessed w/ the VS? He/She is just a character, nothing more, or less. I don't dislike them, but they aren't my favorite character because there isn't enough there for me to like. (As opposed to Garrus, Tali, or say any ME2 Squad mate.) Get over your obsession and learn to like characters who are actually given lots of development. Those are the ones you're supposed to like. Otherwise, stop complaining; characters who receive less development will always see less screen time.

Modifié par DxWill10, 30 mars 2011 - 02:53 .

[wicked117]

 @ DxWill The reason why people say that they are "less developed" is because they have not gotten as much screen time. If you take all the squad mates from the first one everyone has about the same level of depth. And ME 2 is nothing but a big story about your squad. VS got a short cameo in ME2, and not a good one, where Liara got a comic and was featured in a dlc, Wrex at least got an ok comeo, and everyone else got several conversations plus a personal mission to build on their character.VS fans just want the same chance. If Tali or Garrus only got a short crappy cameo in ME2 u can bet their fans would be raising all kinds of heck (me included I love Garrus) and if they had people could have made the same argument that they were "less developed". The fact that bioware saw fit to make sure that Kaidan/Ashley would survive the suicide mission says that they are important. VS fans are just expressing that they want them in ME 3 and are disappointed in how they have been treated thus far. Any other fan base if they had been treated in this way would do the same. 

[Silentmode]

DxWill10 wrote...

Just about every major character in the series had more character development than the VS. (Especially ME2) More character development = more things to love about that character. Equally, less character development = less to love about them. So why on earth are people so obsessed w/ the VS? He/She is just a character, nothing more, or less. I don't dislike them, but they aren't my favorite character because there isn't enough there for me to like. (As opposed to Garrus, Tali, or say any ME2 Squad mate.) Get over your obsession and learn to like characters who are actually given lots of development. Those are the ones you're supposed to like. Otherwise, stop complaining; characters who receive less development will always see less screen time.

Sorry to be rude, but this is a pretty stupid argument. You do realize players got to spend the entire first game of the trilogy with Ashley and Kaiden, right? I think that allowed for more than enough character development for someone to begin to like either of them. How does the theory of "I know more about this character so he/she is obviously better that X character." make any sense at all? That is completely subjective and determined by the players personal taste. I may know more about Tali than most of the other companions but that doesn't stop her from being a very "meh" character in comparison to others in my opinion. I'm not even that big of a Ashley or Kaiden fan but I can certainly understand the frustration those fans are going through considering the VS has undoubtedly been the most neglected companion thus far.

[Estelindis]

DxWill10 wrote...

Get over your obsession and learn to like characters who are actually given lots of development. Those are the ones you're supposed to like.

Are you saying we're supposed to switch off our brains and not engage actively with the undercurrents and subtleties of the characters, their situations, or their backstories?  Do you think it's wrong to read between the lines or search out the deep places of our narrative's characters?  Or are we really supposed to go no further than "oooh, Miranda's wearing a skin-tight jumpsuit, I must be supposed to like her, so I like her!"  (Note: I have nothing against Miranda in particular.)  We're people, not robots.  Of course we like different things.  And you might just want to consider that those who like different characters or aspects of the game compared to you simply see something that you don't, rather than labelling them as wrong and telling them to get in line.

DxWill10 wrote...

characters who receive less development will always see less screen time.

Please tell me you're not entirely unaware of the circular logic you're employing here.  Your statement is basically tautological.   "Less development" is pretty much equivalent to less screentime!  (Or it should be, if the writers always use their characters' screentime to develop said characters.)   So a character gets less screentime... because they get less screentime.  If this logic was employed wholesale, no character would ever get off the ground... because they haven't received any development yet, so why bother developing them?

Modifié par Estelindis, 30 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[Marta Rio]

So um, not to further ruffle any feathers here, but I'm just curious: are there any people out there who agree with the OP but didn't romance Ash/Kaidan in any of their playthroughs? (i.e. they just plain love the VS minus any romantic elements.)

I ask this because I would say that Wrex has been treated in a similar fashion to the VS (if only slightly more positively). But there don't seem to be a lot of Wrex fans that expected him to be included in the DLC. Nor are there threads lamenting the lack of Wrex in the DLC. There's not much discussion of Wrex at all, other than "that guy was cool. I hope he's back in ME3."

[jason9880]

Wrex got more screen time, had a civil conversation and everyone assumes he'll be back. He's the leader of the urdnot clan. Nothing is guaranteed for Ashley/kaidan.

Modifié par jason9880, 30 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[GreenDragon37]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Simple, they never promisded them. People just thought they would get their own DLC.

This.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Marta Rio wrote...
So um, not to further ruffle any feathers here, but I'm just curious: are there any people out there who agree with the OP but didn't romance Ash/Kaidan in any of their playthroughs? (i.e. they just plain love the VS minus any romantic elements.)

*Raises hand*

Ashley was one of my Shep's best friends.

That being said, I'm not overly upset the VS did not appear in Arrival.

[Silentmode]

Marta Rio wrote...

So um, not to further ruffle any feathers here, but I'm just curious: are there any people out there who agree with the OP but didn't romance Ash/Kaidan in any of their playthroughs? (i.e. they just plain love the VS minus any romantic elements.)

I ask this because I would say that Wrex has been treated in a similar fashion to the VS (if only slightly more positively). But there don't seem to be a lot of Wrex fans that expected him to be included in the DLC. Nor are there threads lamenting the lack of Wrex in the DLC. There's not much discussion of Wrex at all, other than "that guy was cool. I hope he's back in ME3."

Well I'm not a particularly huge fan of either but I certainly thought it made a lot of sense for them to come back in Arrival. Hackett and the alliance was involved, it had something to do with the Reaper invasion beginning, Liara just got a dlc tailored to her so it was only fair the VS did as well, right? The stars were all lined up for Ashley and Kaiden to pop back up in this dlc and it just never happened. Like I said I'm not a huge Ashley or Kaiden fan but I thought it made all the sense in the world to add them into Arrival considering the circumstances. It just seems like a wasted oppurtunity really, if you think about it Arrival is LotSB minus Liara because lets be honest she made that dlc. If it would of just been about taking down the Broker and had nothing to do with Liara I don't think it would of been recieved nearly as well.

[Iakus]

Marta Rio wrote...

So um, not to further ruffle any feathers here, but I'm just curious: are there any people out there who agree with the OP but didn't romance Ash/Kaidan in any of their playthroughs? (i.e. they just plain love the VS minus any romantic elements.)

I ask this because I would say that Wrex has been treated in a similar fashion to the VS (if only slightly more positively). But there don't seem to be a lot of Wrex fans that expected him to be included in the DLC. Nor are there threads lamenting the lack of Wrex in the DLC. There's not much discussion of Wrex at all, other than "that guy was cool. I hope he's back in ME3."

I admit I romanced Ash in most of my playthroughs.  But for the record:  pre LOTSB I lamented Liara's cameo as well (whom I never romanced).  I think the reason Wrex's cameo isn't complained about is because it's actually well done.  He's pleased to see Shepard, is doing the important work which he talked about in ME 1.

 In short, it was actually a pleasant experience.  You aren't left wondering if someone put a control chip in his brain or had a personality transplant.  With Liara and the VS, you were left wondering if the writers of the scenes were actually familiar with the Mass Effect universe at all.  At least LOTSB (mostly) cleared up Liara's change.

Like I said, if the VS's cameo was just kicking back and having a bear with them on the CItadel, there would have been a lot less anger.  But if only requirement the writers had for them is "cannot be a squadmate.  Must live to see ME 3"  They seemed to have gone about it in the worst way possible

[Estelindis]

Marta Rio wrote...

So um, not to further ruffle any feathers here, but I'm just curious: are there any people out there who agree with the OP but didn't romance Ash/Kaidan in any of their playthroughs? (i.e. they just plain love the VS minus any romantic elements.)

I ask this because I would say that Wrex has been treated in a similar fashion to the VS (if only slightly more positively). But there don't seem to be a lot of Wrex fans that expected him to be included in the DLC. Nor are there threads lamenting the lack of Wrex in the DLC. There's not much discussion of Wrex at all, other than "that guy was cool. I hope he's back in ME3."

Well, some of my Sheps romanced Ash or Kai, but some of them didn't.  I have to say that my canon Shep did romance Kaidan.  However, I'm very attached to Wrex as well.  In fact, my standard team (pretty much 90% of the game) consisted of Wrex and Kaidan with my Infiltrator. 

To my mind, the difference is that Wrex's appearance in ME2 has much more of a feel-good vibe to it than Horizon did.  Also, you can go back and talk to Wrex any time you want.  You can't really say anything new, but you can still go back.  This maintains a sense of connection, of being on the same page.  I would say that another difference is that you know what Wrex is doing and it's clearly very meaningful and important (uniting his people).  Ashley and Kaidan are probably doing very important things too, but we really have no idea.  All we have is absence.

Anyway, I'd just like to echo what Iakus said about Liara: before LotSB, I found her cameo in ME2 very stilted and awkward; she didn't feel like the Liara I knew at all (I felt bad for those who were particular fans of hers).  The DLC turned that around.  So it would have been great to see something similar for the VS.  Hopefully it will happen in ME3 instead.

[Zack56]

Feel free to flame at me but I really don't get all the hype over the lack of the VS. We as gamers have little to no control over what Bioware put in their game and if they decide they don't want something, they don't put it in. I may not always like it but that is how it happens. I in particular don't really mind if we never see the VS ever again. I guess I can say that because I never really connected with either of them.

[JayhartRIC]

It sucks the VS wasn't in the Arrival. When this dlc was first announced and we heard it involved the Alliance, I thought the VS would be involved. Everyone keeps saying they will reconcile in ME3 but it doesn't seem likely to me. I don't think I'll be getting ME3 till I check the boards after it comes out.

Modifié par JayhartRIC, 30 mars 2011 - 04:18 .

[GreenDragon37]

It's amazing how far people will go just for not having the VS in a one hour DLC(something BW never promised). Boycott ME3? C'mon!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 30 mars 2011 - 04:21 .

[Quole]

WAIT. The VS has fans?

[Iakus]

Zack56 wrote...

Feel free to flame at me but I really don't get all the hype over the lack of the VS. We as gamers have little to no control over what Bioware put in their game and if they decide they don't want something, they don't put it in. I may not always like it but that is how it happens. I in particular don't really mind if we never see the VS ever again. I guess I can say that because I never really connected with either of them.

It's not just what they didn't put in.  It's that what was put in was so very very bad.  In a sense, I agree that I would have preferred the VS never appearing in ME 2 at all rather than the cameo we did get.  But we did, and now we're stuck with it.

[DPSSOC]

Zack56 wrote...

Feel free to flame at me but I really don't get all the hype over the lack of the VS. We as gamers have little to no control over what Bioware put in their game and if they decide they don't want something, they don't put it in.

 
I think it's just the disproportion of it that bothers people.  The VS get's the least screen time out of any ME1 squaddie and while that's not damning on it's own (unless they're all equal somebody's gotta be least) there's also no way for our interaction with the VS to end well.  So not only were VS fans given almost no time with the character they were railroaded into a falling out while Garrus and Tali were romanceable squadmates, Wrex got a decent cameo, and Liara got her own DLC.  I can understand being slightly pissed about that.

[LK Tien]

I hope the VS gets killed in the opening scene of ME3.

[GreenDragon37]

LK Tien wrote...

I hope the VS gets killed in the opening scene of ME3.

You just wanna' see people get pissed off, don't ya?

[Iakus]

DPSSOC wrote...

Zack56 wrote...

Feel free to flame at me but I really don't get all the hype over the lack of the VS. We as gamers have little to no control over what Bioware put in their game and if they decide they don't want something, they don't put it in.

 
I think it's just the disproportion of it that bothers people.  The VS get's the least screen time out of any ME1 squaddie and while that's not damning on it's own (unless they're all equal somebody's gotta be least) there's also no way for our interaction with the VS to end well.  So not only were VS fans given almost no time with the character they were railroaded into a falling out while Garrus and Tali were romanceable squadmates, Wrex got a decent cameo, and Liara got her own DLC.  I can understand being slightly pissed about that.

Sums it up very well, thank you

[xzxzxz701]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

LK Tien wrote...

I hope the VS gets killed in the opening scene of ME3.

You just wanna' see people get pissed off, don't ya?

Nerd rage tears are fuel for the Reapers.