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[Emperor Iaius I]

Merrill doesn't go psycho.

However, perhaps it's best that she not get involved with some silly Fereldan who doesn't understand how special she is.

[Ruben Thomas]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

For the next game, I suggest:

Top dialog: Let's get it on! Woohoo!
Middle dialog: Sorry, but I have to wash my hair.
Bottom dialog: Not touching that. Nut uh.

I think any let down option depends on the character whether you get rivalry or not. Anders is a sensitive guy, so it makes sense he would be hurt by being turned down. Isabela or Zevran are more detached, so they wouldn't be bothered being turned down.  Merrill would go psycho with bottom dialog.

I completely understand that, and I would be understanding if I got rivalry with for example Anders even if there was a gentle diplmatic turndown option like I posted above.

I'd just like it if Hawke wasn't such a huge douchebag when he shuts him down, fine, give me some rivalry points; but don't give me a massive rivalry hit because my Hawke is a freakin' jackass and you don't give me the option to not have him be.

[Vhalkyrie]

On my male Hawke, I got 15 rivalry for the immediate "no". I reloaded and there was another dialog path where I got 5 rivalry instead.

That's why I was proposing the top "Yes", middle "Thanks but no thanks", and bottom "Get out!"  I was agreeing with you, in essence.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 29 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

Keep in mind that if you're on the rivalry path and you give them gifts, you get more rivalry. Ergo, getting rivalry for saying "no" while on the rivalry path isn't exactly a bad thing. 100% rivalry doesn't mean they hate you: in fact, it's the opposite.

[Ruben Thomas]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

On my male Hawke, I got 15 rivalry for the immediate "no". I reloaded and there was another dialog path where I got 5 rivalry instead.

That's why I was proposing the top "Yes", middle "Thanks but no thanks", and bottom "Get out!"  I was agreeing with you, in essence.

Really? Now I'm interested, what was the +5 rivalry one for you?

I had:

Diplomatic: Telling him that letting Justice posess him was the right thing. Leads to or </3.
Sarcastic: Really inappropriate option mocking his plight. Lead to +15 rivalry.
Agressive: Telling him he's an idiot for getting possessed and he should have known better. Lead to +15 rivalry.

If I picked </3 my Hawke says "I don't want you thinking about me like that." in a really grouchy mean tone, and I get +15 rivalry.

Maybe it's because my Hawke has the agressive/direct personality?

And yeah, I understood you, I guess I came off a little like I was counterarguing with you. I was basically just trying to elaborate on my viewpoint. Sorry about that.

[lizzbee]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

On my male Hawke, I got 15 rivalry for the immediate "no". I reloaded and there was another dialog path where I got 5 rivalry instead.

That's why I was proposing the top "Yes", middle "Thanks but no thanks", and bottom "Get out!"  I was agreeing with you, in essence.

Really? Now I'm interested, what was the +5 rivalry one for you?

I had:

Diplomatic: Telling him that letting Justice posess him was the right thing. Leads to or </3.
Sarcastic: Really inappropriate option mocking his plight. Lead to +15 rivalry.
Agressive: Telling him he's an idiot for getting possessed and he should have known better. Lead to +15 rivalry.

If I picked </3 my Hawke says "I don't want you thinking about me like that." in a really grouchy mean tone, and I get +15 rivalry.

Maybe it's because my Hawke has the agressive/direct personality?

And yeah, I understood you, I guess I came off a little like I was counterarguing with you. I was basically just trying to elaborate on my viewpoint. Sorry about that.

The "I don't want you thinking about me like that," happens to any Hawke, male, female, diplomatic, sarcastic or aggressive if you pick the top two diplomatic options in that conversation.  The best I've been able to do is pick the two "sarcastic" options in the conversation-- I think it's something like, "Everyone likes to talk to me," and "Creepy."  You come out of that with +5 Rivalry, and no flirting.

When I got backed into the "double flirt" corner, I ended up reloading and trying all the options with my sarcastic FemHawke.

Modifié par lizzbee, 29 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[Ruben Thomas]

lizzbee wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

On my male Hawke, I got 15 rivalry for the immediate "no". I reloaded and there was another dialog path where I got 5 rivalry instead.

That's why I was proposing the top "Yes", middle "Thanks but no thanks", and bottom "Get out!"  I was agreeing with you, in essence.

Really? Now I'm interested, what was the +5 rivalry one for you?

I had:

Diplomatic: Telling him that letting Justice posess him was the right thing. Leads to or </3.
Sarcastic: Really inappropriate option mocking his plight. Lead to +15 rivalry.
Agressive: Telling him he's an idiot for getting possessed and he should have known better. Lead to +15 rivalry.

If I picked </3 my Hawke says "I don't want you thinking about me like that." in a really grouchy mean tone, and I get +15 rivalry.

Maybe it's because my Hawke has the agressive/direct personality?

And yeah, I understood you, I guess I came off a little like I was counterarguing with you. I was basically just trying to elaborate on my viewpoint. Sorry about that.

The "I don't want you thinking about me like that," happens to any Hawke, male, female, diplomatic, sarcastic or aggressive if you pick the top two diplomatic options in that conversation.  The best I've been able to do is pick the two "sarcastic" options in the conversation-- I think it's something like, "Everyone likes to talk to me," and "Creepy."  You come out of that with +5 Rivalry, and no flirting.

When I got backed into the "double flirt" corner, I ended up reloading and trying all the options with my sarcastic FemHawke.

Thanks for the information lizzbee, I really don't like the humorous/charming options in this conversation either though, he's so douchy the way he says it.

It's not the game's fault though, BioWare can't cater to everyone, I just really wish there was a diplomatic option to just turn him down, gently, straightforwardly and without being a huge douche hehe

[lizzbee]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Thanks for the information lizzbee, I really don't like the humorous/charming options in this conversation either though, he's so douchy the way he says it.

It's not the game's fault though, BioWare can't cater to everyone, I just really wish there was a diplomatic option to just turn him down, gently, straightforwardly and without being a huge douche hehe

I hate that too.  It reminds me too much of what happened to me with Tali in my only ManShep runthrough-- I picked the "not healthy" option thinking it was a diplomatic rejection and ended up in relationship hell

FemHawke's delivery of the first line is actually kind of cute and funny.  The follow-up is pure ick, and I hated picking it.  And the "Don't think of me that way," was just awful.  What happened to the, "Sorry, I've got my eyes on Fenris," option?  Still, the follow-up was definitely a lot less douchy than "Don't think of me that way."  *squick*  I felt dirty when my Hawke spewed that out.

[Maria Caliban]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Instead you're forced to be a douchebag, or be homosexual...

I thought I was forced to be a douchbag or be heterosexual.

[Ruben Thomas]

lizzbee wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Thanks for the information lizzbee, I really don't like the humorous/charming options in this conversation either though, he's so douchy the way he says it.

It's not the game's fault though, BioWare can't cater to everyone, I just really wish there was a diplomatic option to just turn him down, gently, straightforwardly and without being a huge douche hehe

I hate that too.  It reminds me too much of what happened to me with Tali in my only ManShep runthrough-- I picked the "not healthy" option thinking it was a diplomatic rejection and ended up in relationship hell

FemHawke's delivery of the first line is actually kind of cute and funny.  The follow-up is pure ick, and I hated picking it.  And the "Don't think of me that way," was just awful.  What happened to the, "Sorry, I've got my eyes on Fenris," option?  Still, the follow-up was definitely a lot less douchy than "Don't think of me that way."  *squick*  I felt dirty when my Hawke spewed that out.

I have to agree with you

Except for the squick part, I don't even know what that word means

[KSuri]

I didn't like the initial Anders one either. But that is kind of what I mean. Why so harsh and jerky?

Made me wonder about the general consense of what makes an appropriate response in the BW universe. Like Merrill confessing love and you can only respond in kind or be a jerk. You, at least, had some middle ground in DA:O with Alistair. Maybe not I love you now, but the implication of feelings that get expressed later.

I don't want to lead Merrill on but it is hard for me to wrap my head around telling her she's a menace to society. I like her well enough, but we seriously disagree about consorting with demons. And my Hawke gets a little freaked out every time she considers what could be on the other side of that mirror. (I mean, I know about the mirror because my Warden was Dalish. My Hawke doesn't.)

Going to play with the options t

[KSuri]

Damnable iPhone limitations! LOL. Will give it another go tomorrow and see what happens. Worst case I won't do the second part of her chat time and go hang out in the Hanged Man drinking myself into a stupor.

[lizzbee]

Ruben Thomas wrote...
I have to agree with you

Except for the squick part, I don't even know what that word means

It means "yuck," or that kind of nasty, icky feeling you get if you touch something gross.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Instead you're forced to be a douchebag, or be homosexual...

I thought I was forced to be a douchbag or be heterosexual.

You were playing the wrong Hawke.

[lizzbee]

KSuri wrote...

I didn't like the initial Anders one either. But that is kind of what I mean. Why so harsh and jerky?

Made me wonder about the general consense of what makes an appropriate response in the BW universe. Like Merrill confessing love and you can only respond in kind or be a jerk. You, at least, had some middle ground in DA:O with Alistair. Maybe not I love you now, but the implication of feelings that get expressed later.

I don't want to lead Merrill on but it is hard for me to wrap my head around telling her she's a menace to society. I like her well enough, but we seriously disagree about consorting with demons. And my Hawke gets a little freaked out every time she considers what could be on the other side of that mirror. (I mean, I know about the mirror because my Warden was Dalish. My Hawke doesn't.)

Going to play with the options t

I think it's a dialog wheel problem.  I remember how nice it was to let Zevran down easy or Alistair.  You had a couple of ways with Leliana also that still indicated you liked her as a friend.

Where's the, "I appreciate the thought, but I'm kind of involved" option like you had with Zev?  Or the, "Well, I'll let you know what I think of you when you know what you think of me," thing like you had with Alistair?  Then there was the, "You're a treasured friend, Leliana," that firmly set boundaries, but still let her know she was appreciated...  Granted, you could be a major arse to all of them if you wanted to, but if you didn't, you had a real choice.

The voiced protagonist has a lot of problems, unfortunately.

[Vhalkyrie]

Ruben Thomas wrote...
Really? Now I'm interested, what was the +5 rivalry one for you?

Well...it was a bit cryptic.  And still douche.

It was the conversation right after Karl.

It went something like:

[Diplomatic] You can tell me anything.  (Anders: Anything? Be careful what you wish for)
[Diplomatic] You did the right thing.  (Under that scruffy exterior, there's a heart of gold.  Sorry, Am I making you uncomfortable?)

Yes [Nets +15 rivalry]
No [friendship flirt]
It's unexpected [friendship flirt]  ----------- I expected this to be a non commital "I'm flattered, but...".  Instead Hawke said "Doesn't mean I want you to stop"

(Anders talks about Karl.)

[Aggressive] Whoa!  Too much information! [conversation ends with "Fine.  Strictly professional." +5 rivalry]

What I find weird is being rude (TMI!) nets less rivalry than being honest and saying "No" to his question if his flirting was making you uncomfortable.  I would have thought he'd respect being direct.

I just thought the dialog path was...odd.

I decided just to stay with the TMI! hit as it was the least penalty, and Anders wouldn't hit on me again for the rest of the game.

So I'm a jerk for a turn.  At least my jerkiness is out of the way early.

I'm angry that he didn't tell me about his special relationship with Karl as femHawke.  Makes me feel like there's just one more thing Anders was deceiving me about. <_<

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 30 mars 2011 - 12:58 .

[KSuri]

Ran through the conversation again and ended up with the two option oh, god situation. Decided to just finish up business at home, talk to Merrill then never go home again. Not sure how that is going to work out in Act III......(as I'm closing out Act II now).

Please Bioware....If you're planning on sticking with the friend/rival system can we have a middle option to let people down when we're rivals? Preferably something that doesn't come off as being a harsh a-hole.

[Invalidcode]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

WELL THAT'S JUST A RISK YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE YOU MONSTER.

On my FemHawke I was romancing Fenris, suddenly Merrill shows up at Hawke's door. She was going to send Merrill home but...those big shiny eyes were just too charming. And Lady Hawke's pillow talk resistence is ZERO.
I think she dumped Fenris or something like that.

*Cough* *Cough*

At the end the game bugged...

P.S. Talk about turning down others, too bad this time nothing like Alistair breaking up with PC. I still remember so many people got hurt/really really pissed/sad when that happened. The forum were amazing about that. I am a guy and I felt about the female warden, I can't even imgain what torture the pure heart maiden suffered...

Modifié par Invalidcode, 30 mars 2011 - 11:33 .

[3zone5]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...
Really? Now I'm interested, what was the +5 rivalry one for you?

Well...it was a bit cryptic.  And still douche.

It was the conversation right after Karl.

It went something like:

[Diplomatic] You can tell me anything.  (Anders: Anything? Be careful what you wish for)
[Diplomatic] You did the right thing.  (Under that scruffy exterior, there's a heart of gold.  Sorry, Am I making you uncomfortable?)

Yes [Nets +15 rivalry]
No [friendship flirt]
It's unexpected [friendship flirt]  ----------- I expected this to be a non commital "I'm flattered, but...".  Instead Hawke said "Doesn't mean I want you to stop"

(Anders talks about Karl.)

[Aggressive] Whoa!  Too much information! [conversation ends with "Fine.  Strictly professional." +5 rivalry]

What I find weird is being rude (TMI!) nets less rivalry than being honest and saying "No" to his question if his flirting was making you uncomfortable.  I would have thought he'd respect being direct.

I just thought the dialog path was...odd.

I decided just to stay with the TMI! hit as it was the least penalty, and Anders wouldn't hit on me again for the rest of the game.

So I'm a jerk for a turn.  At least my jerkiness is out of the way early.

I'm angry that he didn't tell me about his special relationship with Karl as femHawke.  Makes me feel like there's just one more thing Anders was deceiving me about. <_<

Priceless, i thought that Anders was atleast abit more faithful, but he always was a man who lived for "Freedom, Love and the Right to zap idiots with electricity".

[PinkShoes]

Omg i know right i was like..why am i suddenly in bed with her?! I never flirted once and then i was suddenly romanced with Merrill?

Fenris didnt seem to mind though so i didnt care much after XD

[BlueElf2]

3zone5 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...
Really? Now I'm interested, what was the +5 rivalry one for you?

Well...it was a bit cryptic.  And still douche.

It was the conversation right after Karl.

It went something like:

[Diplomatic] You can tell me anything.  (Anders: Anything? Be careful what you wish for)
[Diplomatic] You did the right thing.  (Under that scruffy exterior, there's a heart of gold.  Sorry, Am I making you uncomfortable?)

Yes [Nets +15 rivalry]
No [friendship flirt]
It's unexpected [friendship flirt]  ----------- I expected this to be a non commital "I'm flattered, but...".  Instead Hawke said "Doesn't mean I want you to stop"

(Anders talks about Karl.)

[Aggressive] Whoa!  Too much information! [conversation ends with "Fine.  Strictly professional." +5 rivalry]

What I find weird is being rude (TMI!) nets less rivalry than being honest and saying "No" to his question if his flirting was making you uncomfortable.  I would have thought he'd respect being direct.

I just thought the dialog path was...odd.

I decided just to stay with the TMI! hit as it was the least penalty, and Anders wouldn't hit on me again for the rest of the game.

So I'm a jerk for a turn.  At least my jerkiness is out of the way early.

I'm angry that he didn't tell me about his special relationship with Karl as femHawke.  Makes me feel like there's just one more thing Anders was deceiving me about. <_<

Priceless, i thought that Anders was atleast abit more faithful, but he always was a man who lived for "Freedom, Love and the Right to zap idiots with electricity".

I always just played it as the Karl thing didn't happen in ladyHawke's reality, but it's set up so you can view it however you want.

I've never had a problem with Merril showing up at Hawke's house, but I've never flirted with her in any of my games, and I haven't managed to get her rivalry/friendship maxed out either.

[SirLysander]

Mary Kirby wrote...

You shouldn't be getting this conversation unless you flirt with her. And even if you do, there should be a "You're like a sister to me/ You're my friend." option that lets her down gently.

Perhaps - however, I've watched a playthrough where choosing only diplomatic or humorous options WITHOUT selecting any flirting options results in Merril being at the Hawke Estate.  Similar how to being diplomatic or humorous without triggering a Justice-outburst with Anders in the beginning leads to the (infamous) Flirt/Flirt/Kick kitten dialog choices.

[Fieryeel]

KSuri wrote...

Ran through the conversation again and ended up with the two option oh, god situation. Decided to just finish up business at home, talk to Merrill then never go home again. Not sure how that is going to work out in Act III......(as I'm closing out Act II now).

Please Bioware....If you're planning on sticking with the friend/rival system can we have a middle option to let people down when we're rivals? Preferably something that doesn't come off as being a harsh a-hole.

That's because you are rivals.

In essence, you hate them, and they hate you. The only difference is that, you two still respect each other, and in a Rivalmance situation, Fenris explained it best, "I do not know if I want to break your neck, or to kiss you!" which implies they may hate you, but can't help being attracted too.

You know...kinda like that gorgeous b!tch in school who put you down whenever she could, insulting you and making you hate her to the guts, but moment she drops her clothes you 'd jump at her.

[3zone5]

In essence rivalry is something that's rather hard to explain since is has many faces and forms.

[Inzhuna]

Fieryeel wrote...

KSuri wrote...

Ran through the conversation again and ended up with the two option oh, god situation. Decided to just finish up business at home, talk to Merrill then never go home again. Not sure how that is going to work out in Act III......(as I'm closing out Act II now).

Please Bioware....If you're planning on sticking with the friend/rival system can we have a middle option to let people down when we're rivals? Preferably something that doesn't come off as being a harsh a-hole.

That's because you are rivals.

In essence, you hate them, and they hate you. The only difference is that, you two still respect each other, and in a Rivalmance situation, Fenris explained it best, "I do not know if I want to break your neck, or to kiss you!" which implies they may hate you, but can't help being attracted too.

You know...kinda like that gorgeous b!tch in school who put you down whenever she could, insulting you and making you hate her to the guts, but moment she drops her clothes you 'd jump at her.

Anders says that.

Rivalry is not about hate. It's about disagreeing on some fundamental issue.