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[wizardryforever]

Well I'd like to add a few things to the whole "saving the Batarians is impossible thing."  As others have said, you gave them what, and hour's warning?  How would anyone evacuate 300,000 people in that amount of time?  They likely couldn't even round everyone up, let alone get them on ships and out of the system in that time.  Additionally, the asteroid is heading for the main entrance/exit from the system.  How exactly are the people supposed to beat the asteroid to the relay and everybody jump through before it gets there?  Furthermore, why would anyone believe this random voice from space telling them that they need to mass evacuate the system?  Let alone Batarians believing someone like Shepard.

Yeah, there is no way to save those Batarians.  Maybe if we could warn them before we get knocked out for two days, they could be saved, but we weren't given the chance.  As it is, I'm happy with the way it was handled.  Sometimes, there really is no choice.

As for Shepard not being moved by it, did you miss the scene that shows Shepard watching the galaxy map?  Did you hear the tone of his voice when Hackett asked him about it (if you chose paragon)?  I think the appropriate amount of remorse was there for total strangers that couldn't be saved.

[NeoGamer]

I fully understand there was no way 300,000 batarians would have escaped the blast in time. I'm more perplexed that the option wasn't even there. At least being able to save SOME of those 300,000 would have been adequate or even just sending the message, no matter the batarian's response.

[Sajuro]

For me, Arrival is like the 6th harry potter book which opens with a bridge being destroyed and countless people dying, in other words "this **** just got real"

[xI extremist Ix]

It forces the set-up for ME3; besides, who cares about batarians?

[ExtremeOne]

I hate the Batarians

[NeoGamer]

It was a batarian colony. As in women, children, and men not affiliated with criminal activities also lived there. From the wiki: "The Terminus Systems are infested with batarian pirate gangs and slaving rings, fueling the stereotype of the batarian thug. It should be noted that these criminals do not represent average citizens, who are forbidden to leave batarian space by their omnipresent and paranoid government. "

[PARAGON87]

Yeah, it is true that there isn't a paragon ending in this DLC. I really wanted to save Aratoht and Dr. Kenson, and I was disappointed at the sheer linearity of Arrival.

But I got to thinking, this sets up ME3 perfectly, Shepard is on trial because of it, and during it the Reapers have come, and it's going to be even harder to convince the batarians to join the fight.

Really, the forced Renegade outcome is a necessary evil.

[Gavinthelocust]

There isn't exactly a nice way you can destroy a relay and an entire solar system.

[Yakko77]

The ending was neither paragon or renegade IMO.

By the time you wake up, there's no time to stop the Reapers in any other way than destroying the Relay and the system in question as a result.

The idea of a few hundred thousand dead batarians might have been a convenient.. "benefit".. for some but the overall objective of saving trillions more was paramount.  Paragon or Renegade, you're  still trying to save the galaxy, bea guddamn hero and all that.  You can either be saintly about it or a real jerk.  There is no real good/evil in the traditional sense though the line is thin at times at best.

[HeliusOD]

Hey its kinda like at the end of me1 where the paragon option killed thousand's of human men and women, and the renegade option didnt; why risk many to save a few? Its like in lotsb when the other specter took the server hostage and the paragon option said that you sacrificed thousands to rescue the council on the destiny ascension.

Just because it a paragon option doesn't mean that its the best option; Besides who cares about 300k dead batarians there not really a beloved race there an antagonist in the mass effect series.

Modifié par HeliusOD, 19 avril 2011 - 02:37 .

[Pwener2313]

Apperantly saving the galaxy isn't "paragon" enough anymore.

[squee913]

NeoGamer wrote...

I fully understand there was no way 300,000 batarians would have escaped the blast in time. I'm more perplexed that the option wasn't even there. At least being able to save SOME of those 300,000 would have been adequate or even just sending the message, no matter the batarian's response.

What option? Give one example of how you could have accomplished what you want. You tried to contact them, you couldn't. What more could Shepard have done? The option not being there is only confusing if it was a possible option. You were put in a no win scenario. Sometimes there is no way to save everyone. That was the point.  Bioware did not write in a way for you to save the little babies because
A. There was no real way to do that, given the story.
B. If they had, you would not have felt the full weight of your actions.

They did not want you to be able to pat yourself on the back and go, "Well, at least I saved some of them!" You were SUPPOSED  to have a sick feeling in your stomach. You were SUPPOSED to be pissed that you had to go to such extreme measures to fight the Reapers.  And unless I miss my guess, you better get ready for more. The war with the reapers is not going to be roses and sunshine.

[Pwener2313]

squee913 wrote...

You were SUPPOSED  to have a sick feeling in your stomach.

Weird, I only felt warmth in my tummy.

My face after pushing the button:

At the end of the day, the only good Batarian is a dead Batarian.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 19 avril 2011 - 04:00 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

If a DLC is canon, this essentially means you watch it play itself. If you had a choice in Arrival and LOTSB, then that wouldn't make them canon, but rather depending on whether you've completed them.

[Elite Midget]

No real Renegade Ending in LoTSB either. Guess Bioware is again trying to pander to a certian fanbase and neglecting the rest.

This is what happens when you try and appease one fanbase over the others. You end up alinateing the rest all for nothing.

[Pwener2313]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

If a DLC is canon, this essentially means you watch it play itself. If you had a choice in Arrival and LOTSB, then that wouldn't make them canon, but rather depending on whether you've completed them.

No, because anything you do is canon. Calling canon on a game like ME is a tricky thing. I sacrificed the council, that makes it canon, just not for everyone. With DLC like LOTSB and Arrival, it's there and happened wathever you played them or not. With DLC like Overlord it happened only if you played it.

[AdmiralCheez]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

There isn't exactly a nice way you can destroy a relay and an entire solar system.

Ding ding ding.

[Greed1914]

I wouldn't expect much in the way of wildly different outcomes since this is supposed to lead directly into the next game, which apparently starts with Shepard on trial.  We know from what the scientist said that the only way to stop the Reapers from showing up right then and there is to destroy the mass relay, and that it would most likely killing thousands of Batarians.  The simple fact is, a completely happy ending wasn't going to happen.  Even Shepard will occasionally have no choice but to go with the lesser of two evils.

[Golden Owl]

HeliusOD wrote...

Hey its kinda like at the end of me1 where the paragon option killed thousand's of human men and women, and the renegade option didnt; why risk many to save a few? Its like in lotsb when the other specter took the server hostage and the paragon option said that you sacrificed thousands to rescue the council on the destiny ascension.
.

Uh...there were 10,000 people on the DA,. plus a lot of Turian ships being slaughterd....I don't think its about preserving individual species, is about fighting side by side as a cohesive unit....there of course are losses for all, but much less than if we choose not to work together.

[Pwener2313]

Elite Midget wrote...

No real Renegade Ending in LoTSB either. Guess Bioware is again trying to pander to a certian fanbase and neglecting the rest.

This is what happens when you try and appease one fanbase over the others. You end up alinateing the rest all for nothing.

There are so many things wrong in this post. I'll just say that your wrong and that BW wasn't "appeasing" a single fanbase. Sometimes, reality sucks, and that's the point of ME3. You can't save everyone, but you can try. In LOTSB, Shepard, Liara and Cerberus had a common enemy. No decision needed. Did you need a choice to go after Saren? Didn't think so.

[Elite Midget]

Yes they were. If you were a Paragon player you got screwed in Arrival. If you were a Renegade player you got screwed in Mass Effect 2 and LoTSB. It's Bioware's thing. Reward the few and alienate the rest. It's clear from what we already know thusfar about ME3.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Pwener2313 wrote...

No, because anything you do is canon. Calling canon on a game like ME is a tricky thing. I sacrificed the council, that makes it canon, just not for everyone. With DLC like LOTSB and Arrival, it's there and happened wathever you played them or not. With DLC like Overlord it happened only if you played it.

Canon is a pretty broad word. Sacrificing the Council isn't technically canon because it does not apply to all Shepard's and all universes; similarly, letting Balak from Bring Down the Sky go isn't canon because it didn't happen for everyone. On the other hand, destroying the Alpha Relay and Liara being the Shadow Broker have, in fact, happened for everyone. Therefore, they are canonical events.

[Pwener2313]

Elite Midget wrote...

Yes they were. If you were a Paragon player you got screwed in Arrival. If you were a Renegade player you got screwed in Mass Effect 2 and LoTSB. It's Bioware's thing. Reward the few and alienate the rest. It's clear from what we already know thusfar about ME3.

Your just trolling.