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[FFLB]

Maria Caliban wrote..

Hawke: 'Where are we going?' How should I know? I'm not the leader of this merry band of miscreants.

I like Hawke because she's not like the Warden or Shepard.

You must've had the "bad" Hawke, since my Hawke called them a "merry band of misfits".<3

[Nukenin]

Baher of Glory wrote...

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For me the Warden, Hawke and Shepard from ME are leaders. A good leader should not fraternize TOO MUCH with his crew, right?

Tell that to Aveline!

Would it be an adequate alternative to leave romances exclusively to our companions? 
One example in DA II was Aveline and her guardsman. I enjoyed it a lot to help her and found this particular "quest" very refreshing.

D'oh!    Some setting-an-example person you are!

As for Awakening, a romance with Sigrun would have made it the best game expansion ever, led to numerous awards, allowed the budget for DA2 to increase exponentially such that PCs could choose from fully voiced protagonists from all four races (Qunari, elf, dwarf, and gnome), enjoy a full mount implementation (horses, halla, brontos, oh my!), experience free roaming wilderness adventures with multiple towns and cities to explore, utilize the awesome power of a full wearable sheath/scabbard/strapping/belt/satchel/backpack/knapsack/bag implementation, play as either Hawke or a fully voiced Warden/Warden-Commander of their choosing, and enjoy romantic possibilities with all companions.  But no, they tabled the Sigrun romance and look what it has cost them!

Plus you had to suffer with poor Oghren's pathetic attempts to hook up with her.   This is why I persist to this day to be unable to finish Awakening.

After that debacle of a fiasco, I'm surprised BioWare staffers find the doors unlocked every morning they return to work.  

They'd best hurry about any and all massive retconning necessary to make Sigrun a love interest in DA3.  Pronto!  Hop to it!

[FFLB]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Sims has romance a plenty.

Although I do love myself some Sims, that's less romance and more pushing and pushing until the Sim gets what the Sim wants... which is more of the Sims.

Modifié par FFLB, 29 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[Thrennion]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Sims has romance a plenty.

If by "romance," you mean clicking "Chat" "Gossip" "Tell Joke" "Give Backrub" over and over and over, then yes. The Sims has romance. But it's not the kind of romance I crave in a decent game.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

No. I think romance should only be included in RPGs if it makes sense for them to exist. And they don't have to be with the PC either.

I don't need a romance to enjoy a game, but have enjoyed games that provide them.

[The Angry One]

Nukenin wrote...

They'd best hurry about any and all massive retconning necessary to make Sigrun a love interest in DA3.  Pronto!  Hop to it!

Didn't you get the memo? Female dwarves no longer exist.

[DoNotIngest]

Nukenin wrote...

Baher of Glory wrote...

[…]
For me the Warden, Hawke and Shepard from ME are leaders. A good leader should not fraternize TOO MUCH with his crew, right?

Tell that to Aveline!

Would it be an adequate alternative to leave romances exclusively to our companions? 
One example in DA II was Aveline and her guardsman. I enjoyed it a lot to help her and found this particular "quest" very refreshing.

D'oh!    Some setting-an-example person you are!

As for Awakening, a romance with Sigrun would have made it the best game expansion ever, led to numerous awards, allowed the budget for DA2 to increase exponentially such that PCs could choose from fully voiced protagonists from all four races (Qunari, elf, dwarf, and gnome), enjoy a full mount implementation (horses, halla, brontos, oh my!), experience free roaming wilderness adventures with multiple towns and cities to explore, utilize the awesome power of a full wearable sheath/scabbard/strapping/belt/satchel/backpack/knapsack/bag implementation, play as either Hawke or a fully voiced Warden/Warden-Commander of their choosing, and enjoy romantic possibilities with all companions.  But no, they tabled the Sigrun romance and look what it has cost them!

Plus you had to suffer with poor Oghren's pathetic attempts to hook up with her.   This is why I persist to this day to be unable to finish Awakening.

After that debacle of a fiasco, I'm surprised BioWare staffers find the doors unlocked every morning they return to work.  

They'd best hurry about any and all massive retconning necessary to make Sigrun a love interest in DA3.  Pronto!  Hop to it!

Gnome? I don't remember any gnomes. And what were those tall, smelly, peach-coloured creatures walking all over the place?


If it wasn't for the romances, I wouldn't buy the games. Just to be clear, I'm a straight male, with a life (!). Face it, if you played Origins or DA2 for the combat, you'd be a very lonely gamer. That's what senseless button clicking like Black Ops is for: Action.

[Medhia Nox]

Are romances "really" that different in current RPGs? Honestly - it's "Push pre-scripted buttons to make Sim... err... Fenris like me - then WooHoo!".

I think that if gaming ever "matures" (loaded term, I'm aware) - that romances will be worthwhile - but right now, I think they're pretty useless.

[Nukenin]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Sims has romance a plenty.

The purpose of the Sims is to see what happens when you give your Sim a toilet and nothing else on the entire lot.

That's not romance.

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

Nukenin wrote...

They'd best hurry about any and all massive retconning necessary to make Sigrun a love interest in DA3.  Pronto!  Hop to it!

Didn't you get the memo? Female dwarves no longer exist.

They never existed outside Orzammar. They die after a few years of exposure to the surface.

[Fangirl17]

As you can see by my username I am a fangirl and I really enjoy the romances.Its completely optional so why not? If they spend development time on something you dont enjoy,well then...sorry :/ *shrug*

[Thrennion]

Nukenin wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Sims has romance a plenty.

The purpose of the Sims is to see what happens when you give your Sim a toilet and nothing else on the entire lot.

That's not romance.

This made me LOL. A lot.

I always thought the purpose was to find out what happens when you put your Sim in a room with a fireplace, a chair, and no exit.

[Alexein]

No game "REALLY" needs anything.... not even color (...pong anyone?)

But we want our games to be fun, and every feature that makes it fun is a welcomed feature. Color, 3D, sound, music, plot, story, humor, romance, blood, guts, villians, puzzles, heroes, jerks, fridge stuffing, lunatics, base balls, wine glasses, plot twists....etc.etc.etc. Are all just things we can put on to games to make them fun.

There are many games which have only some of the things i did or didn't mention, and they are still great games.

The only required feature of a game is that it's fun. Romances can be that.

So don't ask whether a game really needs a particular thing, NO game "REALLY needs" anything except to be fun.

So ask whether it is.

Modifié par Alexein, 29 mars 2011 - 11:26 .

[The Angry One]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Are romances "really" that different in current RPGs? Honestly - it's "Push pre-scripted buttons to make Sim... err... Fenris like me - then WooHoo!".

I think that if gaming ever "matures" (loaded term, I'm aware) - that romances will be worthwhile - but right now, I think they're pretty useless.

Well thank the blight you aren't in charge of BioWare or any RPG developer for that matter or we'd all have to wait for your arbitrary and nebulous definition of "mature" gaming.

[Nukenin]

The Angry One wrote...

Nukenin wrote...

They'd best hurry about any and all massive retconning necessary to make Sigrun a love interest in DA3.  Pronto!  Hop to it!

Didn't you get the memo? Female dwarves no longer exist.

I assumed they were hanging out with the female Qunari.

Like I said, massive retconning!  If Qunari can get horns then Sigrun can be ready to roll with my DA3 protagonist in all senses of the word!

[FFLB]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Are romances "really" that different in current RPGs? Honestly - it's "Push pre-scripted buttons to make Sim... err... Fenris like me - then WooHoo!".

I think that if gaming ever "matures" (loaded term, I'm aware) - that romances will be worthwhile - but right now, I think they're pretty useless.

It at least gives the pleasant illusion of appearing to be one. Being able to understand their speech also helps.

IMO, the quality of romances in games are dependent upon the writers, just as they are in novels or movies. Whenever I've happened to catch a snippet of the Twilight movies, I've found myself cringing from the cheesy and melodramatic lines in there, although it works for some people. I personally prefer the cheesy and melodramatic lines from romantic comedies. They seem more sincere in that setting, or perhaps less out-of-place.

Modifié par FFLB, 29 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[sheppard7]

No, we don't really *NEED* them in the game. Actually did a playthrough without even doing a romance and didn't change the game really other than missing dialogue here and there.

But I would hope you would *WANT* them in your game so they would be available to you.

And I wouldn't want them to the point it hurts other content however.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Gaider's comment seems to suggest that since people WANT romances, bisexual ones are easier because you get two for the price of one. I don't think that necessarily means that there would be something else in their place if they were cut.

[FFLB]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Didn't you get the memo? Female dwarves no longer exist.

They never existed outside Orzammar. They die after a few years of exposure to the surface.

Unless they've been exposed to Oghren's special brand of white blood cells. Their immune system probably goes into overdrive to keep them alive after that encounter, making every other encounter far less perilous in comparison. Oghren, the gift that keeps on giving. Now increasing life span on the surface.

[Nukenin]

The Angry One wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Are romances "really" that different in current RPGs? Honestly - it's "Push pre-scripted buttons to make Sim... err... Fenris like me - then WooHoo!".

I think that if gaming ever "matures" (loaded term, I'm aware) - that romances will be worthwhile - but right now, I think they're pretty useless.

Well thank the blight you aren't in charge of BioWare or any RPG developer for that matter or we'd all have to wait for your arbitrary and nebulous definition of "mature" gaming.

Wynne: Aren't we supposed to be recruiting the Dalish to our cause?  What are they doing in there?

Oghren: Lady, do I have to draw you a diagram?

Wynne: It's been hours!  We've been camped here for days!  This is unnatural!

Oghren: I think they're working from a list.

Wynne: A list?

Oghren: You know, different… arrangements.  Different situations.

Wynne: There's a list?

Oghren: If there isn't already, they're drawing one up.

Wynne: This is all very awkward.

*embarrassing "silence" resumes, filled with an ambient background noise of giggling, snorting, and other more disturbingly squishy sounds coming from the Warden's tent*

*…several minutes later…*

Warden's voice: Oghren?  Oghren, could you come here?  We have a, er… a proposal.

Oghren: Merciful stone t—oh hells, this is what I get for putting my ear to the tent earlier!

Wynne: Oh dear!  This isn't mature!  This isn't mature at all!

Oghren (aside to the Mabari hound): I'd run if I were you.  I'll try to stall 'em.  *takes a swig from his pocket flask and strolls towards the Warden's tent): All right, Warden, let's make some memories!



(Seriously, romances can be taken too far, to where they distract from the main plot.  Save that for Dragon Age: My Dream Date With Alistair and other such offshoots.)

[sonsonthebia07]

I think they're great when they add to the character's story and aren't just tacked on for fan service. I don't think they are necessary though.

I have a feeling that a great number of people around these parts wouldn't even bother with the game if they didn't exist.

[MoMan313]

It adds more to the story and main plot..
like alistair's romance! that was a majoorrrrrrr plot jerker! and. kinda like anders....

hmm.. me and devasting love plots find each other like magnets and iron fillings! T___T

[Melca36]

Yes they enhance the game.

This is 2011 not 1997........ Games need to evolve.

[Kenshen]

I can certainly go without them in games but I understand why others love to have them. My issue is they just don't seem real or have any meat too them. A handful of lines and a quick cut scene does nothing for me nor does it help RP my character at all. It is possible I expect too much from them and find myself let down but after the second playthrough I don't even bother to try romancing. Course that also has something to do with the ones we can choose from. Ya know the only one I would romance is Varric and he isn't an option sigh