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The David Gaider petition and why Bioware should stop catering to everyone under the sun


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#226
dobrikruh

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Khayness wrote...

Remove ****ing romances from future BioWare games, problem solved.

Awakening was good in that part.


that would be for the best

was there ever a good romance in bioware games? 5 text lines, kiss and sex, so deep...

I alos dont like political statements they make in da 2 with romances, I want realism and not some happy rainbow gayland

bioware is also hypocritical about gayness, seeing as no other character besides your party members are gay, becasue people would laugh if you met viscoutn and he said meet my boyfriend John, he was a woman before his magical sex operation

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steve1945

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BUT MAH WAIFUES GUIS! MAH BEAUTIFUL WAIFUES!

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Joush wrote...

I think Baaleos is missing the point.

Anders, Fenris, Merrel and (to a much, much lesser extent) Isabella aren't defined by their sexuality. If they prefer men or women only has the smallest effect on how they act. If they become a PC's romantic partner, their story changes, and it matters more, but generally speaking they have far more powerful overriding concerns, like Fenris's wariness of magic and conflict with himself, Merrel's dark side and outcast status and Anders being a petulant, unlikeable child I've been trying to kick out of the party and kill for TWO GAMES NOW. STOP HAVING HIM SHOW UP.

With the (gigantic) exception of Anders, the NPC's manage to be interesting and their sexuality is a part of what makes them who they are, but only a small part of their overall personality, much many like real people.


We are all entitled to our own opinions,
I admit, the characters often do have 'issues' happening in their lives that give the player something to concentrate on besides the whole romance system.

But that being said, Sexuality whether it be gay, straight or bi, is an important part of anyones psyche and personality. By making the characters adapt to always be romancable by the player, male or female, says one of two things.

1. All the Romancable characters (Sebastian excluded), have the same ideal's/values. They all love the person, regardless of gender, and they see it as a natural thing to be attracted to a person, regardless of gender. This would speak somewhat about their personality, but it seems unlikely that all the npcs would share exactly the same ideal.

2. By having the personalities/sexualities being variable and dynamic, its like Bioware hasnt comitted to a single character design for the npc's and tried to 'Have their cake and eat it'. I've tried in the past, through modding, and programming, to make dynamic systems that built and adapted themselves. Its impressive, sure. But you end up lacking finer details that can only be added by human touch. Because the romances are all dynamic and adaptable depending on your own characters gender, it just seems more like a computer program, than an actual romance. (I know it is a program, but its kinda bad that its so obvious) It also doesnt help that the romance opertunities are so limited. I mean.. what would you do, if you accidentally selected the wrong option... On the PS3, its potential risk with the analog stick.

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Baaleos

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dobrikruh wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Remove ****ing romances from future BioWare games, problem solved.

Awakening was good in that part.


that would be for the best

was there ever a good romance in bioware games? 5 text lines, kiss and sex, so deep...

I alos dont like political statements they make in da 2 with romances, I want realism and not some happy rainbow gayland

bioware is also hypocritical about gayness, seeing as no other character besides your party members are gay, becasue people would laugh if you met viscoutn and he said meet my boyfriend John, he was a woman before his magical sex operation



Qunari wearing leather strap's at a bear event.
Can you imagine that?

#230
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Stop quoting trolls.

I have liked every romance since Neverwinter Nights.

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dobrikruh wrote...

I alos dont like political statements they make in da 2 with romances, I want realism and not some happy rainbow gayland


How is homosexuality not "real" for you.

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I liked the romance options in Baldurs Gate 2, and Dragon Age Origins.

Very little else has piqued my interest.

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I just cannot understand how adding the possibilty of a gay romace is "a political statement" or "gay fan service", Im rly tryng but no, no cant do.

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Shinian2 wrote...

Back on topic, I just played through meeting Anders and recieved no, I repeat, No rivalry points form turning him down. My Hawke was even rude about it because I've been playing him with the rude conversation options.

I've discovered that by being persistantly sarcastic worked to avoid the points.

I think the dialog path that makes him dislike being rejected is if you're all "Aww, that must be tough" in the dialog prior. Whereas if I go "So... you are an abomination, then?" and then subsequently tell him I'm not interested, he doesn't gain Rivalry. I think.

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I've gotta thank the OP. The instantaneous bout of hysterical laughter which happened the moment I saw the post title lightened up my whole day, seriously.

Modifié par Wynne, 30 mars 2011 - 03:02 .


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dobrikruh

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Russalka wrote...

Stop quoting trolls.

I have liked every romance since Neverwinter Nights.


sad story bro

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dobrikruh

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Shawn Ogg wrote...

I just cannot understand how adding the possibilty of a gay romace is "a political statement" or "gay fan service", Im rly tryng but no, no cant do.


well why cant i say to him i dont like gays?

why are there so many gays in your party?

where are other gays in the world(besides your party)?

why arent there party members who dissaprove gay relationships(like in real life)?

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Thread is tl;dr, but... As a homosexual player, when I played FemHawke and she rejected Anders and received rivalry points as a consequence, I was deeply offended that I was being forced into a heterosexual romance. Quit catering to heterosexuals, Bioware!  /sarcasm.

Take Away: Same or opposite sex, you get rivalry points when rejecting a potential romance partner. Deal with it. There was so much else wrong or subpar with this game that complaining about this portion of the writing/design is, IMO, absurd.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 30 mars 2011 - 03:03 .


#239
Russalka

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Note the person's recent joining date.

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Are folks really arguing/voting against the inclusion of gay romances or is it just against "everyone is bi and prepared to sulk if you're not interested" that a number of folks, both gay and straight, are finding unrealistic and unfun? As well as the accompanying lack of party members with whom you can enjoy friendships free of sexual overtones? I know I've been tempted to play a male in Origins partly to see what your relationship to the other surviving warden is like if you're not either engaging in/avoiding romance with him. In my opinion fewer romance choices (for everyone) actually makes for a better game.

And ship a toolset ...

Modifié par Imryll, 30 mars 2011 - 03:14 .


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Yes, David Gaider is fully responsible for a 50-hour RPG having a development cycle of barely over one year. The game was rushed all because of him, yes sir, we should fire the guy who is with Bioware ever since BG:TotSC and has has wrote many of their best pieces. Any other suggestions today?

Seriously, DA2 has many problems, but the writing is as good as ever. And why is this stupid petition even mentionned? The guy was just trolling. And if somebody really has their manhood challenged by polygons and a voice file, then sorry, the problem is elsewhere.

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dobrikruh wrote...

bioware is also hypocritical about gayness, seeing as no other character besides your party members are gay, becasue people would laugh if you met viscoutn and he said meet my boyfriend John, he was a woman before his magical sex operation

How do you know the entire population of Thedas aren't bisexual? Do you regularly make a habit of introducing yourself to random, heavily armed strangers, as "Hi I'm dobri and I'm totally straight"?

#243
Imryll

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Actually, the more I think about it, I wonder if "everyone is bi" isn't primarily a cost-cutting measure. Effectively, doesn't it reduce the amount of friendship path dialogue they needed to write?

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Ho ho ho, tis should be fun to watch indeed!

INB4 LOCKDOWN!!!

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langelog wrote...

Fire David Gaider, that's a laugh. This will only incite the rage of the community, why post something like this?


You know the troll part of me actually wants to see him fired. Not because he's a bad writer or anything(which he isn't). Just because I wanna see the chaos that would unfold in this forum. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 30 mars 2011 - 03:32 .


#246
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Russalka wrote...

Stop quoting trolls.

I have liked every romance since Neverwinter Nights.


NWN had romances? :o

#247
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Catt128 wrote...

NWN had romances? :o

Off the top of my head, there was the bard lady, and the cleric lady. I liked the drow assassin romance in the expansion.

#248
Russalka

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Aribeth and Aarin Gend were rather distant and superficial, but Hordes of the Underdark certainly had interesting love interests, given the resources they had.

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Is David Gaider responsible for the game having as many flops and flaws as it did.

No
Its a team effort.
If we were all happy about DA2, and singing songs of praise to Bioware, I bet the whole Bioware team would be happy and accept the compliments.

However, no one can deny that there are alot of people unhappy with the game, and the general concensus is that it doesnt really compare to Dragon Age Origins.
Being fair though, I do believe they got the combat superior to Dragon Age Origins.

Bioware & EA, as a whole are responsible for the creation of DA2, and its short-comings.

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I love having schadenfreude at the moment.