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The David Gaider petition and why Bioware should stop catering to everyone under the sun


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#251
Leovigild

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Tirigon wrote...

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ok but a RPG-Char without serious Problems would  be kinda... uninteresting.

Imagina the Conversation btw. Mainchar and NPC:

MC: "Hi"

NPC: "Hi"

MC: "How are you?"

NPC: "Oh thanks, feeling fine."

MC: "Fine? No serious Problems?"

NPC: "Ehm no thanks, just feeling fine."

MC: "Nothing? No former lovers stalking you, no bad Mage hunting you, no nasty relative heading for your Money?"

NPC: "No, everythings fine..."

MC: "So there are no relating Quests at all?"

NPC: "Not that i knew sorry..."

MC: "..."


Characters without problems can give you quests too....


MC: "Nothing? No former lovers stalking you, no bad Mage hunting you, no nasty relative heading for your Money?"

NPC: "No, everythings fine..."

MC: "So there are no relating Quests at all?"

NPC: "Well I guess we could do something, if you need exp. What about.... collecting some flowers?"

MC: "We can do that. I suppose we shall be ambushed by darkspawn and abominations and bloodmages when we reach Kirkwall´s only flower meadow so we can even loot something!"

*MC and NPC go to the meadow, where they are jumped by a huuuuge amount of bloodmages, abominations and darkspawn. Some templars attack, too, just because F*CK IT. After the endless waves are defeated, a huge bloodmage-abominational darkspawntemplar appears*

Bloodmagedarkspawntemplarabomination: "HARHARHAR you have awakened me from my slumber! Now I shall go out and destroy the universe, and NOTHING shall stop me!!!!!!!!"

MC: "BUTTONAWESOME!!!!"

*after an epic fight [and several waves of spawning reinforcements] the monster is slain, the MC loots a legendary sword off its corps and MC + NPC go back to the NPC´s house to talk about it*

NPC: "See we don´t need personal problems or a traumatizing childhood to reach pointless filler combat."

MC: "Yea it was all right. Oh SH!T, we forgot the flowers......"

NPC: "Same again?"






See? It is not worse than most quests in DA2!


Haha Point to you.

#252
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This is a freaking joke! David Gaider and his crew of people at Bioware are some of the few people in the gaming industry who actually fight for gay rights in video games. They have supported the GLBT community for years. Going as far back as Jade Empire and even KoTOR 1 where you can romance Juhani if you pick the right options.

As for why DA2 is upsetting people I'm not going to comment on that. I've spoken my mind about that particular topic time and time again elsewhere.

Still getting back on topic. I support Bioware and their fight to help us GLBT gamers. In DA:O and DA2 they had Gay/Lesbian romances. They had a brothel with both Gay/Lesbian, bisexuals and even Transgender people you could have your character sleep with for a fee.

So I say this is the worst move this person could have made. If they are actually a gay gamer at all.

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"Fire David Gaider"? erm, what?

Don't you think you're going a little extreme? So DA2 wasn't as well done as DAO or as many other Bioware games. I do agree they shouldn't be going around blasting people for minor criticism and posting fake reviews to make it look better. But if anything this game will show Bioware what they need to make the next one (if they decide to make it) better by listening to actual *constructive criticism* not whining, raging idiots demanding Bioware blow up for one mistake.

....Besides blame Mike Laidlaw /troll.

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Baaleos wrote...

Being fair though, I do believe they got the combat superior to Dragon Age Origins.

DA2's combat and skill trees, set in DA:O's everything else, would be awesome. No random fetch quests, unique maps, no enemy waves (though I've gotten used to those), item descriptions.

Sarcatic Hawke can come along too, because he's awesome. Also the non-MMO crafting system, that's great too. And Merrill, because :wub:.

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Dark83 wrote...

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Being fair though, I do believe they got the combat superior to Dragon Age Origins.

DA2's combat and skill trees, set in DA:O's everything else, would be awesome. No random fetch quests, unique maps, no enemy waves (though I've gotten used to those), item descriptions.

Sarcatic Hawke can come along too, because he's awesome. Also the non-MMO crafting system, that's great too. And Merrill, because :wub:.



Tell me you dont fanci Merrill???
^_^

Anders on the other hand..
Tormented, tortured, ruggedly handsome, with just the right amount of facial hair.... designer stobble.
They should have made him take his top off though. :-(

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the_one_54321 wrote...

So far the responses are mostly as brainless as the call for a petition itself.

I think the all-bi option was implemented badly. I hope they do it better in the next game. Still:

/anti-sign.


This indeed, unfortunatly I think it will end up with all male love interests being extremely timid next time around so there is no MANRAPE!

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Eclipse_9990 wrote...

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Fire David Gaider, that's a laugh. This will only incite the rage of the community, why post something like this?


You know the troll part of me actually wants to see him fired. Not because he's a bad writer or anything(which he isn't). Just because I wanna see the chaos that would unfold in this forum. 



A good point well made.

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Baaleos wrote...


Tell me you dont fanci Merrill???
^_^

Anders on the other hand..
Tormented, tortured, ruggedly handsome, with just the right amount of facial hair.... designer stobble.
They should have made him take his top off though. :-(


Merril and Anders would make for a great couple. Although, I would obviously have to object since I want Merrill for myself. But still.

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Tirigon wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

langelog wrote...

Fire David Gaider, that's a laugh. This will only incite the rage of the community, why post something like this?


You know the troll part of me actually wants to see him fired. Not because he's a bad writer or anything(which he isn't). Just because I wanna see the chaos that would unfold in this forum. 



A good point well made.


It is game companies job to troll players. Like it has been in movies, art, and books.


Edit: Weight on word "has", they don't want to do that anymore so artists are about the only group who troll the world, and thus rise discussion and awareness on controversial topics.

Modifié par moilami, 30 mars 2011 - 04:45 .


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gaiders fine... if anything this is a petty personal attack and the thread should be locked.

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Tirigon wrote...

Baaleos wrote...


Tell me you dont fanci Merrill???
^_^

Anders on the other hand..
Tormented, tortured, ruggedly handsome, with just the right amount of facial hair.... designer stobble.
They should have made him take his top off though. :-(


Merril and Anders would make for a great couple. Although, I would obviously have to object since I want Merrill for myself. But still.


No they would be a horrible couple since Anders is a selfish Psychopath.

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Tirigon wrote...

Baaleos wrote...


Tell me you dont fanci Merrill???
^_^

Anders on the other hand..
Tormented, tortured, ruggedly handsome, with just the right amount of facial hair.... designer stobble.
They should have made him take his top off though. :-(


Merril and Anders would make for a great couple. Although, I would obviously have to object since I want Merrill for myself. But still.


You guys... that's gross. Aside from the fact that Merril is a creepy idiot in need of a steak, Anders pretty much hates her.

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Eclipse_9990 wrote...

langelog wrote...

Fire David Gaider, that's a laugh. This will only incite the rage of the community, why post something like this?


You know the troll part of me actually wants to see him fired. Not because he's a bad writer or anything(which he isn't). Just because I wanna see the chaos that would unfold in this forum. 


Then after DA 3 you'll be inundated with topics calling for his reinstatement and topics to fire the current lead writer Posted Image

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Darth Executor wrote...

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It's a shame that acknowlging the existence of gay people is interpreted as "pandering."


Acknowledging gays/women and creating fan service content made specifically for gays or women or straight men for that matter are not the same thing. One is creating a realistic world. The latter is pandering to boost sales. That you have to create an abominable strawman like that tells me more than I need to know about your integrity and the lengths to which you are willing to shamelessly lie to protect your fragile ego.

I'm sorry but, lol. 

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How ridiculous.

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lady constance wrote...

 Aside from the fact that Merril is a creepy idiot in need of a steak,

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And wrong at that.

Anders pretty much hates her.


So what? Fenris hates mages, yet you can bone him as a mage. Anders hates templars, yet you can bone him as one....
Even if they hate each other, thanks to DA2 we have this glorious heap of sh!t called Rival Romance.

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Tirigon wrote...

lady constance wrote...

 Aside from the fact that Merril is a creepy idiot in need of a steak,

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And wrong at that.



Anders pretty much hates her.


So what? Fenris hates mages, yet you can bone him as a mage. Anders hates templars, yet you can bone him as one....
Even if they hate each other, thanks to DA2 we have this glorious heap of sh!t called Rival Romance.


Fenris hates mages, but has respect for you. That is the difference. Anders has absolutely no respect for Merril.
And no, Anders cannot "bone" a Templar. Simply because you managed to learn their powers by some unknowable event does not make you part of their organization.

[edit] In addition, stating that it was --my-- opinion (which you're right, it is) then saying it's wrong is pretty nonsensical.

Modifié par lady constance, 30 mars 2011 - 05:39 .


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Jamesnew2 wrote...

gaiders fine... if anything this is a petty personal attack and the thread should be locked.


This thread is full of idiocracy to begin with

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lady constance wrote...

[edit] In addition, stating that it was --my-- opinion (which you're right, it is) then saying it's wrong is pretty nonsensical.


Only if you believe into the neoliberal myth of every opinion being valid and correct on account of being opinion. I do not.
I am absolutely pro freedom of speech and all that, but the mere fact that you are allowed to have your opinion doesn´t make it true.

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Tirigon wrote...

lady constance wrote...

[edit] In addition, stating that it was --my-- opinion (which you're right, it is) then saying it's wrong is pretty nonsensical.


Only if you believe into the neoliberal myth of every opinion being valid and correct on account of being opinion. I do not.
I am absolutely pro freedom of speech and all that, but the mere fact that you are allowed to have your opinion doesn´t make it true.


Arrogance, ftw!

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Bumping this thread does allow this annoyance to get more attention...

Oops.

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Your sig is made of win :D 

Oh... and on topic:  /facepalm

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lady constance wrote...

Arrogance, ftw!


Yes, I wish I had even half as much as you. Would surely serve at making me more likable. People tend to look up to arrogant douches.

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And back to the point of the thread, maybe he should be fired for writing half a damn story and say that it's ending is nice and clever because it hasn't been done in games, there's a reason for that gaider, it sucked, the biggest let down of the decade(so far) gaming wise. Was I upset about the Andermance no, was I mad that they slapped the bi label on all love interests simply to cater to everybody while saying there game is not for everybody yeah, plus the "community" in this forum are a funny bunch not seeing the irony in their posts, " the game is not yours and there for, they're not catering to you, but thank the maker they're pandering to us like were on our deathbed" by the way I'm bi, but do I think we should get special treatment in videogames, no not really, I see some of the pro-bi posts in the forums and they're just as ignorant and superficial as the anti-bi posts. I wouldn't mind bi characters if it was in their character, but it just felt too forced for just being tacked on.