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[Baaleos]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Mike is being slammed a little too hard for his involvement in DA2. Sure, the game has a staggering amount of issues (I will be the first to admit my dissatisfaction with the game overall), but have you considered that he accomplished all that he did in a year and a half?.

He did a phenomenal job considering deadline the deadline EA placed on his shoulders.

Edit - Wow, a bit embarrassing - I misread the title as another Mike Laidlaw bashing thread...awkward. I'll just quitely, uh, leave now. 

There'll probably be one of these for every big member of Bioware's staff in the near future.

Fire everyone! Fire them because they didn't create a video game that appeased my needs!

@OP: If you actually think that someone deserves to lose their job over this, you should probably reevaluate your way of thinking.

If it appeased all of my needs, I wouldnt need to download .... actually, I wont finish that sentence.

[Baaleos]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

This topic has two groups of people. Those who read the first post and those who did not.

I've read all the posts.
Im actually kinda excited at the prospect of starting a new career as a Lead Designer though.

Anyone here need a job as an Assistant?

[White_Buffalo94]

I have never received rivalry points for not, for lack of a better term, hitting on, the male characters of the game. In fact, the only rivalry points I got from Anders are from sending Idunna to the Templars after she mind controls you. I only got rivalry points from Fenris when I returned fire for him complaining about the Imperium when you bring him into the Gallows for the first time.
So as far as I know, your whining is baseless, let alone the petition to fire David Gaider.

EDIT: And I specify male characters because that is what I have played as besides a quick run as LadyHawke to see how the Anders romance played out.

Modifié par White_Buffalo94, 30 mars 2011 - 12:21 .

[Boiny Bunny]

Personally, I feel that Gaider did quite a reasonable job with the plot given the time constraints. His response to the gay romance thing was quite eloquent and well thought out in my opinion.

I would be quite happy if they gave Laidlaw a much less senior postion for the next Dragon Age game however. From what I understand, he completely changed the direction of the game from a traditional sequel to DA:O into what we have now (a more action oriented game, designed to appeal to CoD players).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did console sales on Origins alone total 3.2 million? Add to that PC, which we know at a minimum sold better than each console individually (so PC was minimum 1.6 million?) - bringing the total close to 5 million copies sold. That would make Origins the most successful game that Bioware has ever made (even more successful than the much more critically acclaimed Mass Effect 2).

So why redesign everything in a game that isn't broken? Change for changes sake is a very bad idea in my opinion, especially when on such a limited timeframe.

Imagine what they could have achieved with DA2 if they had just used the DA:O engine, improved the graphics and tweaked it a little to make the gameplay a bit more fluid (which was sort of their goal with DA2), then spent the rest of their development time on actually designing more unique areas, and better quests, etc.

[Jademoon121]

Great idea, try to fire the man who helped make DA in the first place. That'll go great for everybody.

[Baaleos]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

I have never received rivalry points for not, for lack of a better term, hitting on, the male characters of the game. In fact, the only rivalry points I got from Anders are from sending Idunna to the Templars after she mind controls you. I only got rivalry points from Fenris when I returned fire for him complaining about the Imperium when you bring him into the Gallows for the first time.
So as far as I know, your whining is baseless, let alone the petition to fire David Gaider.

Im not really trying to get David Sacked,
But if he does lose his job, I would like to apply for it. I feel that Bioware would benefit from my unique point of view.



Not wanting to dredge old things up...
But I think the OP was annoyed, that he was given a lack of choice in the game, that conveyed how a real homosexual acts and reacts.

1. Its impossible to cater to everyone. Homosexual or not, everyone has different preferences... I know someone who has a foot fetish, and well... we wont go there.
2. Homosexuality in games is a somewhat new concept, I remember when Baldurs Gate 2 was out, Romances were the new craze, and everyone wanted to Romance Soulafein (or whatever his name is - the Drow), so modders made him, as a new character. Gay in Games, is a new thing, and needs time to grow... baby steps, they arent going to get it right first time lucky.
3. Society and Political Motivations  -  Its not easy getting gay into games. You get opposition from all sorts of people. The Born Agains, the Illuminati and all sorts of other people. Some people arent as gay-friendly as you and I. (me being especially Gay Friendly ;-) ). Bioware having any gay romance, or gay content, at all, is not a requirement, but something they did as a courtacy. Especially when they have pressure to keep things 'clean'  as others might put it.

I am annoyed that Anders isnt the manly man, I want him to be, but I can acknowledge that they tried to solve this by
1. Making Anders, soft and gentle... like a twink who has had too much mead.
2. Making Fenris tough, agressive, like  a daddy, or bear type person.

Two different personalities.

I wish Anders was more like Fenris, dominant etc.

Maybe in DLC?

Modifié par Baaleos, 30 mars 2011 - 12:30 .

[Eterna]

Baaleos wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

This topic has two groups of people. Those who read the first post and those who did not.

I've read all the posts.
Im actually kinda excited at the prospect of starting a new career as a Lead Designer though.

Anyone here need a job as an Assistant?

Judging this simply based on the quality of your posts but, you'd make a terrible lead desinger.

[sheppard7]

Volourn wrote...

Fenris is NOT gay. people keep repeating it like it's fact. it isn't. he's bisexual. You people do realize there's a difference right?

Really when you think about it, there is no gay character in this game since they can all be romanced by either gender Hawke. Only one that's restricted in Sebastian with only a Female Hawke thus straight. There might be another like Aveline is straight but she won't allow romancing nor have I tried. She goes from one husband to mourning him to another so no time to try.

But there is no real gay/lesbian characters in this game when it boils down to it.

[Jademoon121]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Personally, I feel that Gaider did quite a reasonable job with the plot given the time constraints. His response to the gay romance thing was quite eloquent and well thought out in my opinion.

I would be quite happy if they gave Laidlaw a much less senior postion for the next Dragon Age game however. From what I understand, he completely changed the direction of the game from a traditional sequel to DA:O into what we have now (a more action oriented game, designed to appeal to CoD players).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did console sales on Origins alone total 3.2 million? Add to that PC, which we know at a minimum sold better than each console individually (so PC was minimum 1.6 million?) - bringing the total close to 5 million copies sold. That would make Origins the most successful game that Bioware has ever made (even more successful than the much more critically acclaimed Mass Effect 2).

So why redesign everything in a game that isn't broken? Change for changes sake is a very bad idea in my opinion, especially when on such a limited timeframe.

Imagine what they could have achieved with DA2 if they had just used the DA:O engine, improved the graphics and tweaked it a little to make the gameplay a bit more fluid (which was sort of their goal with DA2), then spent the rest of their development time on actually designing more unique areas, and better quests, etc.

That maybe the direction DA3 may take. Even people, like me, who like DA2 don't deny that the game has serious flaws and misses certain aspects of DAO. Unless if the people at Bioware don't read the forums(which they do)they'll know that DA2 wasn't the best game their fans liked. The fanbase was never this divided.

[habitat 67]

Is someone smoking the crack rock?
David has written my favorite video game characters of all time. There are times when I don't even know it's him, I fall in love and LOOK LOOK LOOK who wrote the character? David. Sometimes Mary too.

Modifié par habitat 67, 30 mars 2011 - 12:26 .

[lady constance]

lady constance  - You are my PR Rep.
Its your Job, to get me more votes, and together, we shall rule the world.... bwha hahahaaaaa

Or... just impliment AVS in Dragon Age 3, and make it as dirty and perverted as we/I want, and impliment a few fixes to the issues that other people complain about... namely annoyance of trying to save the minority group at the end, only to have their leader turn into Mr Blobby, and then try to Blobby-Ize you.
Oh.. yes, and we will fix the romances thing too....
An indepth in-game survey will ascertain whether the player is Gay, Bi, or insane, and adapt the NPC's reactions to suit. Romances will even be accomplishable with the DLC Characters, even if they are strictly straight, through use of another DLC item, called Breath of the Rhohypnologist, a magical blend of spices and chemicals that makes the companion who drinks it, suddenly open to offers.

We will also cover up the bugs and glitches, by calling them Features.
eg - The Unlimited Gold and XP Glitch.
        Oh... congratulations player, you discovered our secret leveling cheat. Good for you.

See how that puts a positive spin on us just not wanting to fix the bug in the first place.

Clearly, you're in no need of a PR! You have done an outstanding job of placing a positive spin on aforementioned glitches already. Good job, sir. The fans will never suspect anything.

[lady constance]

habitat 67 wrote...

Is someone smoking the crack rock?
David has written my favorite video game characters of all time. There are times when I don't even know it's him, I fall in love and LOOK LOOK LOOK who wrote the character? David. Sometimes Mary too.

Obviously. The very idea of sacking David Gaider (or trying... and failing miserably, since no one in their right mind would ever do so) is laughable. The man is genius.

Modifié par lady constance, 30 mars 2011 - 12:31 .

[Maverick827]

I liked the part when DA2's story went way over his head and he called it bad.

[Zkyire]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Oh look, someone is petitioning for a specific person to be fired, ... quick people, I think he might not be here for much longer ...

AND I WOULDN'T MIND IT!


And lol, ... someone has humor:

Part of me hopes that's the real David Gaider trolling those petition guys.

[Tommy6860]

Darth Executor wrote...

http://www.petitions...ireDavidGaider/

As a homosexual playing Dragon Age 2, I've witnessed the worst
stereotype homosexual characters in this game. If you refused to make
your moves on a gay character then you are received rivalry points for
not wanting to be gay for the character.



This is completely wrong, homosexuals do not approach people and force
them to kiss us, the person that wrote this game should be fired for
stereotyping homosexuals in such a disrespectful way, as well as
creating the worst writing in characters, plot and everything else in
DA2.

I'm sure most people here are perfectly familiar with Mr. Gaider's passionate love for the gay community and how absurd this petition is. It does, however, deliver a bit of delicious irony in light of Mr. Gaider's rant about "privilege" in that male gamer thread. It would appear that no matter what Mr. Gaider does, someone will be pissed off about it, including people he was desperately trying to pander to. I warmly recommend that Mr. Gaider and his team simply stop trying to cater to people based on their genitals and/or genital preference and simply stick to making the best Dragon Age he can. There is only so much much marketing you can apply to game design before the end product becomes completely soulless. Am I wrong here?

edit: I forgot how poor reading comprehension and general awareness of the surrounding world is on these forums so I figured I should mention I did not create or sign or support the above petition.

And the guy who created that thread (if you look at his account name) created that account the day he posted it. I suspect it is from the same homophobe who got tons of flack posting his vitriol about proselytizing his (putported) gay buddies into being straight by getting them to have children. So, he created a pseudo-gay account as to make it seem that gay people supports his warped views as well. In fact, it was within a day of creating that new account when the flack hit him on his OP from original account.

[Baaleos]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

http://www.petitions...ireDavidGaider/

As a homosexual playing Dragon Age 2, I've witnessed the worst
stereotype homosexual characters in this game. If you refused to make
your moves on a gay character then you are received rivalry points for
not wanting to be gay for the character.



This is completely wrong, homosexuals do not approach people and force
them to kiss us, the person that wrote this game should be fired for
stereotyping homosexuals in such a disrespectful way, as well as
creating the worst writing in characters, plot and everything else in
DA2.

I'm sure most people here are perfectly familiar with Mr. Gaider's passionate love for the gay community and how absurd this petition is. It does, however, deliver a bit of delicious irony in light of Mr. Gaider's rant about "privilege" in that male gamer thread. It would appear that no matter what Mr. Gaider does, someone will be pissed off about it, including people he was desperately trying to pander to. I warmly recommend that Mr. Gaider and his team simply stop trying to cater to people based on their genitals and/or genital preference and simply stick to making the best Dragon Age he can. There is only so much much marketing you can apply to game design before the end product becomes completely soulless. Am I wrong here?

edit: I forgot how poor reading comprehension and general awareness of the surrounding world is on these forums so I figured I should mention I did not create or sign or support the above petition.

And the guy who created that thread (if you look at his account name) created that account the day he posted it. I suspect it is from the same homophobe who got tons of flack posting his vitriol about proselytizing his (putported) gay buddies into being straight by getting them to have children. So, he created a pseudo-gay account as to make it seem that gay people supports his warped views as well. In fact, it was within a day of creating that new account when the flack hit him on his OP from original account.

Have I ,in a jokingly sarcastic manner, been supporting a ******-Phobe?

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Maverick827 wrote...

I liked the part when DA2's story went way over his head and he called it bad.

Pretty hard for something to "go over someone's head" when it's glued to the ground. There's nothing complex about the story. Hell, the plot in How the Grinch stole Christmas is more complex than DA2's plot (more creative as well). Ask me any question about the game or its themes and I'll gladly explain to you. Most of the reviews (even the positive ones) agree. The story took a back seat to "hitting a button and making something awesome happen."

I'm sorry, but the story in DA2 was weak sauce. I know Gaider can do better as he did better in DAO. If he is going to keep choking though, I suggest he be replaced. Perhaps they should hire this Baaleos guy wanting his job. Based on DA2, I'll take him over Gaider any day of the week.

Modifié par Perfect-Kenshin, 30 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[Nimpe]

PETITIONS DO NOTHING

Modifié par Nimpe, 30 mars 2011 - 12:44 .

[Zkyire]

Nimpe wrote...

PETITIONS DO NOTHING

THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

[Baaleos]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I liked the part when DA2's story went way over his head and he called it bad.

Pretty hard for something to "go over someone's head" when it's glued to the ground. There's nothing complex about the story. Ask me any question about the game or its themes and I'll gladly explain to you. Most of the reviews (even the positive ones) agree. The story took a back seat to "hitting a button and making something awesome happen."

I'm sorry, but the story in DA2 was weak sauce. I know Gaider can do better as he did better in DAO. If he is going to keep choking though, I suggest he be replaced. Perhaps they should hire this Baaleos guy wanting his job. Based on DA2, I'll take him over Gaider any day of the week.

Thank you!!!

Please accept this I O U "one finished game of my own creation."
When I get the job, and finish a game, your getting the first edition.

In all seriousness, what I posted above is how I really feel.
There are weak points about DA2, and yes, the romances dont appeal to everyone, but..
If you analyse what they did, and take 2 steps back (preferably while not at the top of the stairs), you can see that they tried to get Personalities, that use Sexualities, opposed to Sexualities that have Stereotypical Personalities.

eg - Stereotypical personality of a gay person, might be that we expect them to run around in skinny jeans, or have hair doo's that take 3 hours to mould.

However, what they tried to do,
was have Fenris, and Anders, with their default personality, but they express sexuality in a neutral method. With exception to the flirts, you wouldnt be able to tell they were Gay or Bi.

Strong Personalities, that utilize sexuality as a RPG element.

(this sounds very profound coming from me.... doesnt it)

[Zkyire]

Warheadz wrote...

Quick, quick! Someone give a ****!

Your petition is pointless and, to be honest, ridiculous.

It's not his petition, his entire post is about how ridiculous the petition (made by someone else) is.

[lady constance]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I liked the part when DA2's story went way over his head and he called it bad.

Pretty hard for something to "go over someone's head" when it's glued to the ground. There's nothing complex about the story. Hell, the plot in How the Grinch stole Christmas is more complex than DA2's plot (more creative as well). Ask me any question about the game or its themes and I'll gladly explain to you. Most of the reviews (even the positive ones) agree. The story took a back seat to "hitting a button and making something awesome happen."

I'm sorry, but the story in DA2 was weak sauce. I know Gaider can do better as he did better in DAO. If he is going to keep choking though, I suggest he be replaced. Perhaps they should hire this Baaleos guy wanting his job. Based on DA2, I'll take him over Gaider any day of the week.

C'mon. David Gaider gave us the wonder that is Dragon Age: Origins, in addition to the novels. Don't lose faith in the man now.

[Jademoon121]

lady constance wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I liked the part when DA2's story went way over his head and he called it bad.

Pretty hard for something to "go over someone's head" when it's glued to the ground. There's nothing complex about the story. Hell, the plot in How the Grinch stole Christmas is more complex than DA2's plot (more creative as well). Ask me any question about the game or its themes and I'll gladly explain to you. Most of the reviews (even the positive ones) agree. The story took a back seat to "hitting a button and making something awesome happen."

I'm sorry, but the story in DA2 was weak sauce. I know Gaider can do better as he did better in DAO. If he is going to keep choking though, I suggest he be replaced. Perhaps they should hire this Baaleos guy wanting his job. Based on DA2, I'll take him over Gaider any day of the week.

C'mon. David Gaider gave us the wonder that is Dragon Age: Origins, in addition to the novels. Don't lose faith in the man now.

Agreed, there's still a DA3. They could redeem themselves, and only Gaider and dare I say; Laidlaw, can do it.

[Baaleos]

Jademoon121 wrote...

lady constance wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I liked the part when DA2's story went way over his head and he called it bad.

Pretty hard for something to "go over someone's head" when it's glued to the ground. There's nothing complex about the story. Hell, the plot in How the Grinch stole Christmas is more complex than DA2's plot (more creative as well). Ask me any question about the game or its themes and I'll gladly explain to you. Most of the reviews (even the positive ones) agree. The story took a back seat to "hitting a button and making something awesome happen."

I'm sorry, but the story in DA2 was weak sauce. I know Gaider can do better as he did better in DAO. If he is going to keep choking though, I suggest he be replaced. Perhaps they should hire this Baaleos guy wanting his job. Based on DA2, I'll take him over Gaider any day of the week.

C'mon. David Gaider gave us the wonder that is Dragon Age: Origins, in addition to the novels. Don't lose faith in the man now.

Agreed, there's still a DA3. They could redeem themselves, and only Gaider and dare I say; Laidlaw, can do it.

And me?

[Tommy6860]

Baaleos wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

http://www.petitions...ireDavidGaider/

As a homosexual playing Dragon Age 2, I've witnessed the worst
stereotype homosexual characters in this game. If you refused to make
your moves on a gay character then you are received rivalry points for
not wanting to be gay for the character.



This is completely wrong, homosexuals do not approach people and force
them to kiss us, the person that wrote this game should be fired for
stereotyping homosexuals in such a disrespectful way, as well as
creating the worst writing in characters, plot and everything else in
DA2.

I'm sure most people here are perfectly familiar with Mr. Gaider's passionate love for the gay community and how absurd this petition is. It does, however, deliver a bit of delicious irony in light of Mr. Gaider's rant about "privilege" in that male gamer thread. It would appear that no matter what Mr. Gaider does, someone will be pissed off about it, including people he was desperately trying to pander to. I warmly recommend that Mr. Gaider and his team simply stop trying to cater to people based on their genitals and/or genital preference and simply stick to making the best Dragon Age he can. There is only so much much marketing you can apply to game design before the end product becomes completely soulless. Am I wrong here?

edit: I forgot how poor reading comprehension and general awareness of the surrounding world is on these forums so I figured I should mention I did not create or sign or support the above petition.

And the guy who created that thread (if you look at his account name) created that account the day he posted it. I suspect it is from the same homophobe who got tons of flack posting his vitriol about proselytizing his (putported) gay buddies into being straight by getting them to have children. So, he created a pseudo-gay account as to make it seem that gay people supports his warped views as well. In fact, it was within a day of creating that new account when the flack hit him on his OP from original account.

Have I ,in a jokingly sarcastic manner, been supporting a ******-Phobe?

And you are who, exactly?? Did I reply to you at sometime where my previous comment here pertained to you?