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[shnizzler93]

didymos1120 wrote...

OK, so some guy wants Gaider fired because Anders hit on him unsolicited (I mean, it has to be an Anders-related gripe because Fenris does not do that) and there were rivalry points and stuff....

...but, um, Gaider didn't write Anders in DA2. So, you know....

...But, he's the lead writer, so, by definition, he should know about everything that's being written

/sarcasm

[ZDProletariat]

This was the stupidest complaint I've ever seen.
Did that petitioner think before typing?

[Andhaira]

As a faithful Muslim and rightful follower of Sharia's Law, I have displayed my endorsement to that petition because it's the right thing to do.

I was already becoming really, really worried that a Qunary would make improper advancements towards my character as I played. This would be completely unacceptable given that the Qunary are true followers of the Qur'an and such behavior is completely intolerable.

By the way, Bioware should tread lightly from now on. The Muslim community will closely watch further developments and Jihad will ensue should any mockery be made of our ways.

[NKKKK]

Ja ja ja

BTW you've been reported for terroiste threats. 

Modifié par NKKKK, 30 mars 2011 - 04:37 .

[ozenglish]

Scarletyoshi wrote...

create a ... sequel that everyone would be content with.

If they had the power to create miracles like that, I'd hope they'd be using it on curing cancer instead of making videogames. 

Your comment for the win! If people put as much effort into work/school/life/happiness as they do in trashing something, humanity may actually be a spacefaring civilization. but wait, no.. wrong game discussion thread.

[Serpentine 78]

 I hope that Bioware continues to go with their hearts; so far it has only brought, in my humble opinion,  great games to us (though I've never played the Sonic RPG or Knights of the Old Republic).
 
  I seem to be in the minority based on the fact that I love Dragon Age 2.  I do not like the areas (or lack of) that were due to obvious rush to meet the deadline, but Bioware alone (now that they are under E.A.) can't be blamed for that. 
 
  David Gaider was largely responsible for bringing us the grand Dragon Age: Origins, which apparently gamers  have so much passion and love for that they are in a tempestous uproar over the fact that the sequel has deviated from it's predecessor's formula.  It does suck that some of the features have been stripped away, but that has nothing to do with the writing.  The fact that virtually all characters are gay/bi just gives people more choice.  I admit that I don't like the way the characters' sexual orientations are revealed immediately (under the circumstances, it seems contrived), but I think that the writing for the most part is great.  I don't think having predominantly gay characters is grounds for firing a good writer.  But alas, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. *shrugs

  The level of complaining over this game is ridiculous....it is becoming a thing of tall tales.  I know it's not wanted by the haters, but there is my two cents.  Peace. 

[dantares83]

how many threads are you going to create for this, my dear?

[Guesswhotoo]

You know whats real funny about all this? If Bioware simply stuck to the tried and true method of having a TRADITIONAL relationship in this game that we all know and love (i.e. Male/Female romance only) none of this would be an issue. Sure, maybe a few gays out there would protest, but it wouldnt be like it is now. People are used to gays not being the central focus so if Dragon Age 2 only had the traditional male and female relationship there wouldnt be the huuuuge gigantic issue that Dragon Age has turned into regarding romance options. I mean really, who would complain that your male character got to romance only a female character in the game? No one! Its what we're used to seeing! Looks like Bioware shot themselves in the foot trying to pander to the gay crowd and by being lazy and making EVERY CHARACTER in DA2 bi sexual to "please evreyone". In the future, to avoid any potential issues, they should stick to only having male/female relationships in their games. i heard only like 3% of the population was gay anyhow. i dunno but it is low compared to the overall. This whole thing has gotten Bioware nothing but grief from both orientation's so what does that tell you Bioware? hmmmm? Either way you choose you will upset someone so i suggest you go it the old fashioned way: male/female only. its what we're used to, and nobody complains(well mostly anyhows) and that means less stress for you.

[andremot]

This thread should be closed. The demeaning way in the choice of words the self proclaimed gay petitioner uses shows it's just another hater troll pushing his agenda. If you go further and check the guy other messages you'll see he admits he isn't gay. They should just put it on ToS that bashing people for their sexuality is bannable offense and start the bans. This place would be much better for everyone, of every kind of backgrounds. Just stop, ok?

[Rawgrim]

I think Gaider is a great writer. Wasn`t he also one of the writers on Planescape?

[Borrachofunk69]

Someone please perma-ban the idiot OP.

[cncivanova]

If he hasn't already been banned, the OP should be. I happen to have done a full playthrough with a male character, and I can assure anyone that no male character is forced to kiss another, indeed, if this is an issue, it's because someone is secretly "bi-curious."

[MrTijger]

It all comes down to this:

Some people need to get a life...one that does not include access to the Internet.

[Baaleos]

cncivanova wrote...

If he hasn't already been banned, the OP should be. I happen to have done a full playthrough with a male character, and I can assure anyone that no male character is forced to kiss another, indeed, if this is an issue, it's because someone is secretly "bi-curious."

I think the OP's point of view, was that with Anders, he had the choice of

Kissing Anders, or Getting Rivalry with Anders...
He wanted a neutral position.


He probably felt that the Designers were making the insinuation that Gay/Bi guys after being knocked back, naturally get rivalry points added.

[sereture]

Hey, look at the bright side, everyone!

There's apparently a whole lot of absolutely amazing game-writers using the forums.
I, for one, am whole-heartedly looking forward to a future toolset. If these people spend just half the time they are currently writing in the forums on writing mods instead, we can expect hundreds of hours of fantastic new adventures to play for all of us!



/End Sarcasm.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Darth Executor wrote...

http://www.petitions...ireDavidGaider/

As a homosexual playing Dragon Age 2, I've witnessed the worst
stereotype homosexual characters in this game. If you refused to make
your moves on a gay character then you are received rivalry points for
not wanting to be gay for the character.



This is completely wrong, homosexuals do not approach people

this cut sentence captures the stupidity of his petition well, imo. most idiotic thing i've ever heard.

as a heterosexual person who sees no need to strictly adhere to political correctness, I deem this petition decidedly stupid.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 30 mars 2011 - 09:51 .

[Zigabogado]

I signed.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Baaleos wrote...

cncivanova wrote...

If he hasn't already been banned, the OP should be. I happen to have done a full playthrough with a male character, and I can assure anyone that no male character is forced to kiss another, indeed, if this is an issue, it's because someone is secretly "bi-curious."

I think the OP's point of view, was that with Anders, he had the choice of

Kissing Anders, or Getting Rivalry with Anders...
He wanted a neutral position.


He probably felt that the Designers were making the insinuation that Gay/Bi guys after being knocked back, naturally get rivalry points added.

people feel bad when they get rejected. that's it. 

and conversation mechanics some might disagree with = bad portrayal of gay people?

even if it is a bad portrayal of gay people -- as if gay people need to be represented by dolts and constant whiners who complain about two lines of conversations in a game -- since when do gay people absolutely have to be represented well in fiction? did i miss something here?

[CRISIS1717]

lol I wonder what happens if this gets 10,000 legit signatures. EA would be pretty angry.

[Baaleos]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Baaleos wrote...

cncivanova wrote...

If he hasn't already been banned, the OP should be. I happen to have done a full playthrough with a male character, and I can assure anyone that no male character is forced to kiss another, indeed, if this is an issue, it's because someone is secretly "bi-curious."

I think the OP's point of view, was that with Anders, he had the choice of

Kissing Anders, or Getting Rivalry with Anders...
He wanted a neutral position.


He probably felt that the Designers were making the insinuation that Gay/Bi guys after being knocked back, naturally get rivalry points added.

people feel bad when they get rejected. that's it. 

and conversation mechanics some might disagree with = bad portrayal of gay people?

even if it is a bad portrayal of gay people -- as if gay people need to be represented by dolts and constant whiners who complain about two lines of conversations in a game -- since when do gay people absolutely have to be represented well in fiction? did i miss something here?

Everyone has the right to be represented well in fiction- in a group sense... eg Straights and Gays

If Dragon Age Origin's or Dragon Age 2, was filled with butch macho men, with German Accents, giving the insinuation that all the straight Characters conformed to that stereotype, then the straight community would think it was an unrealistic analagy.

If Gays are being portrayed as being fickle, and easilly offended, then I would take offense.

That being said.
Anders personality is so much worse than Dragon Age Awakening, and I feel sad that he's changed so much so.
Hes so full of melancholy now, and the only other choice for male gay romancing, is Fenris, who looks like he hasnt had a bath in a few months.

My argument about the romances, stem more from the personality they designed for the characters, opposed to their take on gay's.

Eg- I have issues with the individual characters, not the Policy of how they handled Gays.


This being said,
I think alot of people, myself included, had quam's with how the romance system in general was handled, we all missed the gift system, being able to converse when we want, and being able to repeatedly take our other-half back to our tent and engage in 6 hour sessions of hide the sausage.

Anders even brings his magic staff with him to bed, when you engage in the love scene....
Whats that all about?

[EccentricSage]

Darth Executor wrote...

http://www.petitions...ireDavidGaider/

As a homosexual playing Dragon Age 2, I've witnessed the worst
stereotype homosexual characters in this game. If you refused to make
your moves on a gay character then you are received rivalry points for
not wanting to be gay for the character.



This is completely wrong, homosexuals do not approach people and force
them to kiss us, the person that wrote this game should be fired for
stereotyping homosexuals in such a disrespectful way, as well as
creating the worst writing in characters, plot and everything else in
DA2.

I'm sure most people here are perfectly familiar with Mr. Gaider's passionate love for the gay community and how absurd this petition is. It does, however, deliver a bit of delicious irony in light of Mr. Gaider's rant about "privilege" in that male gamer thread. It would appear that no matter what Mr. Gaider does, someone will be pissed off about it, including people he was desperately trying to pander to. I warmly recommend that Mr. Gaider and his team simply stop trying to cater to people based on their genitals and/or genital preference and simply stick to making the best Dragon Age he can. There is only so much much marketing you can apply to game design before the end product becomes completely soulless. Am I wrong here?

edit: I forgot how poor reading comprehension and general awareness of the surrounding world is on these forums so I figured I should mention I did not create or sign or support the above petition.

1) David Gaider did not write the Anders Romance.

2) Anders gives a fem Hawke rivalry for refusing him as well. 

Take up the retarded Anders rivalry points with the woman who wrote that character.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the 'sleep with me or I'll rivalry you' scenario was just a mistake that was overlooked.  I remember Wynne giving some rather crazy OOC approval/dissaproval points in Origins as well.

As for talk of 'pandering', variety of choice is merely inclusiveness.  I think the way sexuality was handled in Origins was actually more realistic than this variable sexuality system in 2; but I think we can discuss the merits of the systems and their effects on characterization without being total dicks about it.  And yes, gays can be raging, ignorant, dicks just as mucgh as streight people.  It proves nothing aside from the fact that some percentage of humanity across the board just generaly sucks.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 30 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Fault Girl]

I am a gamer and seriously people need to get a life and stop having a hissy fit what is initially a complaint over rivalry points, Anders does it to female Hawke's too we aren't complaining. Get a grip.

Bioware did a good thing and tried to cater for everyone, if anyone else thinks they can do better go and learn and make your own game.

[Baaleos]

EccentricSage wrote...

Darth Executor wrote...

http://www.petitions...ireDavidGaider/

As a homosexual playing Dragon Age 2, I've witnessed the worst
stereotype homosexual characters in this game. If you refused to make
your moves on a gay character then you are received rivalry points for
not wanting to be gay for the character.



This is completely wrong, homosexuals do not approach people and force
them to kiss us, the person that wrote this game should be fired for
stereotyping homosexuals in such a disrespectful way, as well as
creating the worst writing in characters, plot and everything else in
DA2.

I'm sure most people here are perfectly familiar with Mr. Gaider's passionate love for the gay community and how absurd this petition is. It does, however, deliver a bit of delicious irony in light of Mr. Gaider's rant about "privilege" in that male gamer thread. It would appear that no matter what Mr. Gaider does, someone will be pissed off about it, including people he was desperately trying to pander to. I warmly recommend that Mr. Gaider and his team simply stop trying to cater to people based on their genitals and/or genital preference and simply stick to making the best Dragon Age he can. There is only so much much marketing you can apply to game design before the end product becomes completely soulless. Am I wrong here?

edit: I forgot how poor reading comprehension and general awareness of the surrounding world is on these forums so I figured I should mention I did not create or sign or support the above petition.

1) David Gaider did not write the Anders Romance.

2) Anders gives a fem Hawke rivalry for refusing him as well. 

Take up the retarded Anders rivalry points with the woman who wrote that character.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the 'sleep with me or I'll rivalry you' scenario was just a mistake that was overlooked.  I remember Wynne giving some rather crazy OOC approval/dissaproval points in Origins as well.

As for talk of 'pandering', variety of choice is merely inclusiveness.  I think the way sexuality was handled in Origins was actually more realistic than this variable sexuality system in 2; but I think we can discuss the merits of the systems and their effects on characterization without being total dicks about it.  And yes, gays can be raging, ignorant, dicks just as mucgh as streight people.  It proves nothing aside from some percentage of humanity across the board just generaly sucking.

I agree that the Social Interactions between Player and NPC's in Origins was better than DA2.
Zevran - ' Thats quite an offer, especially coming from another man..... and here I was thinking it was a Grey Warden thing'

It is good character design, to create characters who have personalities of their own.
It is bad character design, to make characters adapt their personalities to appeal to the player.

Adaptive personalities, is more a feat good programming, than good writing.
We lost Ander's personality, because he is essentially programmed to be attracted to Hawke, no matter what.


Zevran, was wrote to be a durty beast, he was raised in a **** house...
He has a precident to be Bi-sexual.
Anders, Fenris, are designed to be Bi or gay, if the player fancies them - pretty much removing any of their own personality traits.

This means they pretty much have no sexuality of their own, they might as well be extensions of Hawke.

[Centauri2002]

Baaleos wrote...


I agree that the Social Interactions between Player and NPC's in Origins was better than DA2.
Zevran - ' Thats quite an offer, especially coming from another man..... and here I was thinking it was a Grey Warden thing'

It is good character design, to create characters who have personalities of their own.
It is bad character design, to make characters adapt their personalities to appeal to the player.

Adaptive personalities, is more a feat good programming, than good writing.
We lost Ander's personality, because he is essentially programmed to be attracted to Hawke, no matter what.


Zevran, was wrote to be a durty beast, he was raised in a **** house...
He has a precident to be Bi-sexual.
Anders, Fenris, are designed to be Bi or gay, if the player fancies them - pretty much removing any of their own personality traits.

This means they pretty much have no sexuality of their own, they might as well be extensions of Hawke.

Okay, I was with you all the way until you got to the point where you linked a poor upbringing with Zevran's bisexuality. Ohoho, that's not going to sit well with some people. But, I'm sure that's not what you meant, right? 

Modifié par centauri2002, 30 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[Emerald Rift]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I am a gamer and seriously people need to get a life and stop having a hissy fit what is initially a complaint over rivalry points, Anders does it to female Hawke's too we aren't complaining. Get a grip.

Bioware did a good thing and tried to cater for everyone, if anyone else thinks they can do better go and learn and make your own game.

I agree, he does it no matter what gender you are

Bioware has done a great job with cantering to everyone's needs so get over it.