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[Hathur]

Seeing so many ignorant posts about rogues.. so I thought I'd enlighten  you all with how successful my level 16 rogue (assassin to be specific) is thus far.

Here's current stats (no item mods included,.. these are base stats when naked). I've got the various +bonus stats from the 'certain' place in the story line (don't want to include spoiler).

Human Noble
20 strength (for best leather)
42 Dexterity (wish I stopped at 40)
36 Cunning
15 Willpower
14 Magic
15 Constitution

32% crit chance on both daggers with 14 armor penetration (Cunning raises armor penetration - another huge factor for damage later in game.. cus enemies have thick armor later on).

Wielding 1 dagger that gives +30% crit/backstab damage (forgot it's name) and another dagger that gives +10% crit/backstab damage.. and gloves that give +10% backstab damage... +50% extra crit/backstab damage total.

This is a pure dagger rogue on Nightmare diffculty... I do far more damage than any of my other melee characters (and sometimes more overall damage than my best dps mage).

How / why? Simple. Rogue Lethatility (use cunning for damage instead of strength) Assassin specialization with the talent that increases backstabs (and criticals) by an amount based on cunning (the bonus is massive if you pump cunning).

Activate the dual-weapon talent called Momentum (increases attack speed by a huge amount.. you lose stamina with each swing, but it's small).

My rogue can crit/backstab against heavily armored enemies for 45-50 damage per hit... by comparison, Sten with his huge 2 hander hits for about 70 per hit... however, with momentum my rogue lands 4 hits in the time it takes Sten to swing once... that's close to 200 damage in the time it takes Sten to swing once. Not even my mages can do this much damage in such a short time span.

Rogues survive better than warriors (this is borked but it's true) at end game (vs melee/ranged.. not spellcasters)... why? Evasion talent + High dexterity means I seldom get hit by attacks.... There's a certain dragon in the game (won't spoil what/who)... my rogue tanked it solo for 2 minutes before he died.. by Comparison when I tried to tank with Alistair or Sten, they died in under 30 seconds.... Evasion lets you have a flat 20% chance to avoid any attack.. then the enemy still has to get past your very high defense score (thanks to rogue's high Dex).

Even when I can't get behind an enemy to backstab, my crit chance is 32% and I'm swinging so fast that I'm constantly landing devastating critical hits (+ bleeding from assassin talent + bleeding from dual wield talent).

Yes, early on Rogue is very lack luster in damage.. but by level 12 my rogue was quite powerful... now at 16, it's far more powerful than any  warrior or mage I've ever made (I have a 17 warrior and 15 mage character as well).

Rogue is very dependent on the right daggers / gear though.. perhaps more so than warriors.. you have to get +backstab/critical damage daggers (there's an amazing one.. best in game I think.. for sale in Orzimar, but I think it costed me 120 gold).

[Beertastic]

Interesting read, I was thinking about doing a Dagger/Dagger rogue for my next playthrough. Bookmarking.

[Lacan2]

Excellent post. This should dispel the misinformation of rogues being worthless.

[DLC On The Disc]

This rogue is on PC, yeah?

[TheRealIncarnal]

Oh interesting! I'll have to take that into consideration when I do my first Rogue playthough.

[Jiggasaurus]

*slight spoiler*

Hathur theres a 'Thorn of the dead God' thread in the spoilers section if your only level 16 check it out you might be able to pull it off, one of the weapons is the 120 gold one i believe yet nobody whos commented so far has managed to get all three to see if its quest related. If you saved enough gold try give it a go.

http://social.biowar...47/index/147353

Modifié par Jiggasaurus, 18 novembre 2009 - 03:12 .

[LyonVanguard]

DLC On The Disc wrote...

This rogue is on PC, yeah?

Why wouldn't the pc have it?


I started out with an elf rogue. I just have her on the sword and shield and use her as a tank.
I honestly don't know how to use a rogue. Perhaps I will try to do it properly on my next playthroughs.

[Terwox_]

Good post



I've already seen the tendency off this when I decided to let Leilianna go the dual wield way. And she's got a rather gimped start at it due to her archer talents, once I started getting her up in the levels with the key talents and added assassin to her she started to deal out some serious damage. My next play-through is a rogue guaranteed.

[Hathur]

And yes, I play dragon age on PC if that matters.

[Vol_tron]

I made a similar type character my first playthru and was surprised to come here and read about the dex glitch and how people think they are underpowered. Lemme just add that poisons and runes like the paralysis benefit from this type of build. The really fast attack speed just allows more chances for the poison or rune to take effect.

[Wolff Laarcen]

yep, rogues are good. so are warriors. so are mages.

[DLC On The Disc]

Hathur wrote...

And yes, I play dragon age on PC if that matters.

You using the dexterity hotfix?

[DragoonKain3]

Axe/dagger STR rogues have by far the highest DPS in the game. According to Discobird's calcuations over at the now dead forums, ~100 dps w/out backstabs, ~220 dps with backstab gear, and ~315 dps with momentum. Add in pinpoint striking so you can backstab from any angle for 15 seconds, and that's almost 5ks worth of damage.

[Hathur]

DLC On The Disc wrote...

Hathur wrote...

And yes, I play dragon age on PC if that matters.

You using the dexterity hotfix?

No, as the dexterity hotfix wouldn't matter anyway since I'm dependent on cunning for damage (Lethality + the assassin talent that adds bonus damage from cunning).

The dexterity hotfix would make life easier for rogues prior to lethality and the assassin specialization though, I suspect.

[laurencep82]

were do i find a rouge tranner , i talked with the woman that joins the party , she only teaches baird , i want duilset

[Vol_tron]

Hathur wrote...

DLC On The Disc wrote...

Hathur wrote...

And yes, I play dragon age on PC if that matters.

You using the dexterity hotfix?

No, as the dexterity hotfix wouldn't matter anyway since I'm dependent on cunning for damage (Lethality + the assassin talent that adds bonus damage from cunning).

The dexterity hotfix would make life easier for rogues prior to lethality and the assassin specialization though, I suspect.

Lethality only replaces the STR modifier, but theoretically there should also be a DEX modifier in there too. Thats what the hotfix fixes. Essentially with the hotfix your rogue would be even better than now.  

[jBookey]

THANK YOU!

[Iggynous]

where do you find the Assassin specialisation????

[MadMaligor]

Iggynous wrote...

where do you find the Assassin specialisation????

Zevran teaches it.  I believe after 50 approval but thats going off memory.

[SirGCal]

I've been saying this for days but people keep wanting to bark that it's broken. I'm rolling my bow rogue right now but also have a daggers rogue going on (pushing cunning instead of dex more for daggers) and I'm seeing the same, insane DPS. More so than even a mage unless you're doing all AOE spam.

Good post.

[Chzwz]

Won't the hotfix gimp a rogue under some circumstances? It changes daggers to 50%/50% STR/DEX rather than 100% STR. My current rogue (I call him a burglar which unfortunately is not a specialization) has Lethality and something like 30 DEX, 40 CUN. So, without the hotfix he has bonus +30 (all from CUN) but with hotfix that would be +25 (average of +30 from CUN and +20 from DEX). Please correct me if I'm totally wrong...

[Vol_tron]

Chzwz wrote...

Won't the hotfix gimp a rogue under some circumstances? It changes daggers to 50%/50% STR/DEX rather than 100% STR. My current rogue (I call him a burglar which unfortunately is not a specialization) has Lethality and something like 30 DEX, 40 CUN. So, without the hotfix he has bonus +30 (all from CUN) but with hotfix that would be +25 (average of +30 from CUN and +20 from DEX). Please correct me if I'm totally wrong...

It works differently than your thinking it does. Basically daggers are already 50/50 between STR and DEX, but without the hotfix they are not getting that DEX modifier. Lethality turns that STR mod into a CUN mod, but your still missing out on that DEX mod. The hotfix will always make your rogue better, but it will also make enemy rogues and archers better as well. 

[GrumpierDwarf]

MadMaligor wrote...

Iggynous wrote...

where do you find the Assassin specialisation????

Zevran teaches it.  I believe after 50 approval but thats going off memory.

Actually my mage (female) got him to teach his specialization at roughly 25 approval, maybe even less. No idea if the character's gender means anything though.

[vizering]

Isn't dual daggers bugged somehow?

[Pocu]

I am also a rogue, level 15.
All I see are crits.

I mean, I'd go as far as to say,
so long as you have a tank and a healer,
you'll hands down have no problem with many fights because of the rogue's insane swiftness of depleting enemy health.

Modifié par Pocu, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:37 .