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[huntrrz]

tcn-talon wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

They have been probably coming for a lot longer than 2 or 3 years. They've likely been coming at least as long as they've known the Keepers were no longer responding. That could be as long as 1000 years, if Sovereign was really trying to use the Rachni.

No, they haven't.  Sovereign attacked the Citadel to open the relay and bring the Reaper fleet in.  That means they had to be in position to use the relay on their end to come through.

They've only been traveling for 2 years (and a month or two).

Which ain't too bad. A conventional FTL drive in Mass Effect can cover about 12 light years in a day's cruise. I would imagine the Reapers can beat that, so let's say 20. (Could be more if they've had millions of years with this technology to work on it.) Let's also say that they've been booking it for 400 days. So, ok, eight thousand light years or so? Respectable distance, that.

Yeah, but mass effect drives need to discharge sooner or later.  The Reapers obviously have much larger capacities than Citadel-race ships, but running constantly for 2+ years without problem seems a stretch.

Someone suggested they may not have been running FTL all the way, which I support.  I'm posting a reply about that.

[huntrrz]

Bad King wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

They have been probably coming for a lot longer than 2 or 3 years. They've likely been coming at least as long as they've known the Keepers were no longer responding. That could be as long as 1000 years, if Sovereign was really trying to use the Rachni.

No, they haven't.  Sovereign attacked the Citadel to open the relay and bring the Reaper fleet in.  That means they had to be in position to use the relay on their end to come through.

They've only been traveling for 2 years (and a month or two).

Yup, you're right. I wasn't thinking that through. If they were travelling for 1000 years they would have to be in another galaxy.

Unless they have relays throughout darkspace linking to the Citadel relay.

Yes, I like this alternative much better.  We can explain how they 'suddenly got here so quickly' AND why they didn't do it earlier - the chain of relays in dark space may have gaps as a defense strategy, or they may have mass limitations so the Reapers have to take their time queuing through them (visions of the Blazing Saddles toll gate...).  The Citadel is a massive relay, capable of bringing the entire fleet through in one fell swoop.  Other relays may only be able to bring them through in small groups, acting as choke-points.  This would explain why the Reapers waited so long to use "the back door".

[contown]

I didn't expect this to end up at 11 pages...

[huntrrz]

himmelgeher wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

I wonder.... The Citadel is giant mass relay, that means if Sovereign had opened the Citadel and let the Reapers through, how is that exactly possible?

Were the Reapers going to the Alpha Relay and then Sovereign activad the Citadel and then they can come through? Or were the Reapers in dark space and it would just open a huge portal for them to go through? I'm massively retarded. I dont think there are any Mass Relays out in dark space.

/facedesk
OF COURSE THERE ARE! I don't even... how could you even think that? Were you dropped on your head? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! The Citadel Relay has a sister relay in dark space to let the Reapers through. The Alpha relay was a backup. The point of the Citadel was that it accomplished all of their goals in one fell swoop. Getting them to and from dark space, census data, deactivating the Relay Network, disabling galactic communications, killing the galactic government. Literally everything they need to do. Two years of FTL travel is a long way to go and wastes a lot of resources. And it clearly would only be done if the first (infinitly more efficient) plan failed. It's clearly the more inefficient solution. But nooo... I clearly know less than the haters. Because it's completly illogical for Mecha-Cthulu to have one backup plan.

#Edit:
Dark Space only means "the space between galaxies" not "The exact midpoint between galaxies"

It's not illogical for them to have a back-up plan, but it IS illogical for them to wait so long to USE it.  The failure of the Keepers to respond to the signal to open the Citadel relay was, if I recall, CENTURIES ago (Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit for that long).  If it only takes two years to arrive at cruising speed, WHY wait that long?

[Almostfaceman]

huntrrz wrote...

Yes, I like this alternative much better.  We can explain how they 'suddenly got here so quickly' AND why they didn't do it earlier - the chain of relays in dark space may have gaps as a defense strategy, or they may have mass limitations so the Reapers have to take their time queuing through them (visions of the Blazing Saddles toll gate...).  The Citadel is a massive relay, capable of bringing the entire fleet through in one fell swoop.  Other relays may only be able to bring them through in small groups, acting as choke-points.  This would explain why the Reapers waited so long to use "the back door".

I don't follow the logic of multiple relays.  If there's a limit to the distance one can travel between two relays, and if the Reapers are going to go to all the trouble to set up a "chain" of relays - why not simply set them up so they can leap frog and pretty much instantly get to the Alpha relay? 

It just makes more sense they had one relay, and it led to the Citadel.  Once that was cut off, they proceeded to fly towards the Alpha relay.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 01 avril 2011 - 02:06 .

[Almostfaceman]

huntrrz wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

I wonder.... The Citadel is giant mass relay, that means if Sovereign had opened the Citadel and let the Reapers through, how is that exactly possible?

Were the Reapers going to the Alpha Relay and then Sovereign activad the Citadel and then they can come through? Or were the Reapers in dark space and it would just open a huge portal for them to go through? I'm massively retarded. I dont think there are any Mass Relays out in dark space.

/facedesk
OF COURSE THERE ARE! I don't even... how could you even think that? Were you dropped on your head? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! The Citadel Relay has a sister relay in dark space to let the Reapers through. The Alpha relay was a backup. The point of the Citadel was that it accomplished all of their goals in one fell swoop. Getting them to and from dark space, census data, deactivating the Relay Network, disabling galactic communications, killing the galactic government. Literally everything they need to do. Two years of FTL travel is a long way to go and wastes a lot of resources. And it clearly would only be done if the first (infinitly more efficient) plan failed. It's clearly the more inefficient solution. But nooo... I clearly know less than the haters. Because it's completly illogical for Mecha-Cthulu to have one backup plan.

#Edit:
Dark Space only means "the space between galaxies" not "The exact midpoint between galaxies"

It's not illogical for them to have a back-up plan, but it IS illogical for them to wait so long to USE it.  The failure of the Keepers to respond to the signal to open the Citadel relay was, if I recall, CENTURIES ago (Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit for that long).  If it only takes two years to arrive at cruising speed, WHY wait that long?

It was not centuries ago.  Read the letter from Chorban you get for completing the keeper scans quest in ME1.

The last part of the letter reads:

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

"Around now" is an estimate and could very plausibly include 2 years ago - but not a century.

[huntrrz]

I don't recall where it's stated, but Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit (and the Mu Relay as a means of finding it) for centuries.

Also, Vigil said that Sovereign sent the signal to the Keepers and they failed to respond. Chorban's report is based on his estimate. (And he doesn't know the time has already come and gone.)

[kaotician]

huntrrz wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

I wonder.... The Citadel is giant mass relay, that means if Sovereign had opened the Citadel and let the Reapers through, how is that exactly possible?

Were the Reapers going to the Alpha Relay and then Sovereign activad the Citadel and then they can come through? Or were the Reapers in dark space and it would just open a huge portal for them to go through? I'm massively retarded. I dont think there are any Mass Relays out in dark space.

/facedesk
OF COURSE THERE ARE! I don't even... how could you even think that? Were you dropped on your head? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! The Citadel Relay has a sister relay in dark space to let the Reapers through. The Alpha relay was a backup. The point of the Citadel was that it accomplished all of their goals in one fell swoop. Getting them to and from dark space, census data, deactivating the Relay Network, disabling galactic communications, killing the galactic government. Literally everything they need to do. Two years of FTL travel is a long way to go and wastes a lot of resources. And it clearly would only be done if the first (infinitly more efficient) plan failed. It's clearly the more inefficient solution. But nooo... I clearly know less than the haters. Because it's completly illogical for Mecha-Cthulu to have one backup plan.

#Edit:
Dark Space only means "the space between galaxies" not "The exact midpoint between galaxies"

It's not illogical for them to have a back-up plan, but it IS illogical for them to wait so long to USE it.  The failure of the Keepers to respond to the signal to open the Citadel relay was, if I recall, CENTURIES ago (Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit for that long).  If it only takes two years to arrive at cruising speed, WHY wait that long?

Because it was Sovereign's job. Waiting a bit more time, for a race billions of years old, who do what they do every 50,000 years or so depending, isn't really much time at all. When Sovereign failed.........

For the way Reapers measure time, this move on the Alpha relay is lightning fast, really, as is Shepherd's response. What's happened is, we've blown the bridge to slow down the Panzers, but make no mistake, this is a blitzkrieg pace on a galactic scale.

[JayhartRIC]

huntrrz wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

I wonder.... The Citadel is giant mass relay, that means if Sovereign had opened the Citadel and let the Reapers through, how is that exactly possible?

Were the Reapers going to the Alpha Relay and then Sovereign activad the Citadel and then they can come through? Or were the Reapers in dark space and it would just open a huge portal for them to go through? I'm massively retarded. I dont think there are any Mass Relays out in dark space.

/facedesk
OF COURSE THERE ARE! I don't even... how could you even think that? Were you dropped on your head? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! The Citadel Relay has a sister relay in dark space to let the Reapers through. The Alpha relay was a backup. The point of the Citadel was that it accomplished all of their goals in one fell swoop. Getting them to and from dark space, census data, deactivating the Relay Network, disabling galactic communications, killing the galactic government. Literally everything they need to do. Two years of FTL travel is a long way to go and wastes a lot of resources. And it clearly would only be done if the first (infinitly more efficient) plan failed. It's clearly the more inefficient solution. But nooo... I clearly know less than the haters. Because it's completly illogical for Mecha-Cthulu to have one backup plan.

#Edit:
Dark Space only means "the space between galaxies" not "The exact midpoint between galaxies"

It's not illogical for them to have a back-up plan, but it IS illogical for them to wait so long to USE it.  The failure of the Keepers to respond to the signal to open the Citadel relay was, if I recall, CENTURIES ago (Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit for that long).  If it only takes two years to arrive at cruising speed, WHY wait that long?

Because the Reapers still show up at the Citadel, C-Sec closes the arms, and the Reapers have no clue where all the civilizations are.  Plus, I'm sure the Citadel is completely self-sufficient and will have a population large enough to procreate meaning the Reapers fail.

[GuardianAngel470]

Also, contrary to popular belief, if the reapers could reach light speed, they wouldn't need to burn any extra fuel in order to reach the galaxy. Many of you have heard the line from the military guy on the Citadel:

An object in motion stays in motion until acted upon by an outside force... That makes Sir Isaac Newton the deadliest SOB in Space!

Because, due to Einstein, we know that nothing can travel faster than light without magic (at this point) but things can move as fast as light, all the Reapers would need to do is accelerate to the speed of light then cruise along under their own momentum till they got here.

Unless they ran through a random cloud of Hydrogen or some such gas they could go on indefinitely.

[dreman9999]

Ok ...let make a summary of the debate so far........

1.Sovergin is the vanguard and it's his job to signal the reast of the reapers into the citidel relay. But it goes wrong......

2. We don't have a clear date we he/she/it tried to start the reaping but it fall and it was with in the last thousand years.

3.Sovergin tries many way to findout why the citidel relay and takesover the rachni to do it(Hence the "with in the last 1000 years".) but fails due to a krogan infestation.

4.He than tried the turians later.(The half crappy new comic. bleh.) AKA, asmall military branch with a rho like artifact .(Think machine cult from ME1.) But fails due to an illiusive man.

5.He than tries a human scientist and a bartarian buisness man, but fail do to some whistle blower.
6. But a turian spectre get the info on sovergin first before everyone else does and with some fact changing, the turian gets hold of the "mystrious ancheit ship" to him self to try TO TAKEOVER THE UNIVERSE.

7.Sovergin indocinates the foolish turian and  then tries sniper tactic with him instead of nuclear strike tactic and just tries to look for the whole that caused the problem in the first place. He also get a cult of machines to follow him by being an asre to them.

 8. He finds the hole the cause the lack of reaping problem and calls up the reapers to start the invasion...and just before it starts.....Sheperd comes in and kill Seran. Leaving the hole unsealable and cutting of the citadel relay.

9.Sovergn dies as well and Harbinger, the reaper general, is ****** as well as all the other reapers that are awake with nothing to reap.(They are invadingthe galexy, they have to be awake to do it.)

10. So plan B starts, trek it to the galexy from dark space and start the invasion before they get there with the collectors....But the need a new vanguard........Maybe that human that stop them is good for it.....

11. So they go after Sheperd, and want him dead or alive....Does matter, they can fix him/her later. But Sheperd get thrown into a planet....is his hard suit...

12.They don't want anyone to know about the collects so they hire someone to get his/her body back......Some guy called the Shadow broker.(Sound like an honest chap to me.)
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3.He gets the body back.....but loses it to Han solo and a nerdy shut in. But they did capture Han Solo.....That something original.....

14. Sheperd get revive and ME2 happens. And all that time they are flying in space. 

15. And they get close to the alpha relay, find out humans found their indocination machine in that relay system.
And then they think "Hey, let mess with Shep and use his/her fear ageinst him to draw him/her in for a trap, just in time as we arrive. And we get a new vanguard just like that."

16. And they do it and it succeeds.......only to fail due to perfect reconstuction of Sheps body don't by a woman that was birth from her fathers mind.

17. So Shep go into a system to stop the reapers...and was the only one to make it out alive.

So in short, the reaper were trying for a long time to fix the citidel relay, switch to plan b when it did not work and flew to the galexy for 2 years.They may have been flying from the time of the rachni wars as well.

[dreman9999]

JayhartRIC wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

I wonder.... The Citadel is giant mass relay, that means if Sovereign had opened the Citadel and let the Reapers through, how is that exactly possible?

Were the Reapers going to the Alpha Relay and then Sovereign activad the Citadel and then they can come through? Or were the Reapers in dark space and it would just open a huge portal for them to go through? I'm massively retarded. I dont think there are any Mass Relays out in dark space.

/facedesk
OF COURSE THERE ARE! I don't even... how could you even think that? Were you dropped on your head? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! The Citadel Relay has a sister relay in dark space to let the Reapers through. The Alpha relay was a backup. The point of the Citadel was that it accomplished all of their goals in one fell swoop. Getting them to and from dark space, census data, deactivating the Relay Network, disabling galactic communications, killing the galactic government. Literally everything they need to do. Two years of FTL travel is a long way to go and wastes a lot of resources. And it clearly would only be done if the first (infinitly more efficient) plan failed. It's clearly the more inefficient solution. But nooo... I clearly know less than the haters. Because it's completly illogical for Mecha-Cthulu to have one backup plan.

#Edit:
Dark Space only means "the space between galaxies" not "The exact midpoint between galaxies"

It's not illogical for them to have a back-up plan, but it IS illogical for them to wait so long to USE it.  The failure of the Keepers to respond to the signal to open the Citadel relay was, if I recall, CENTURIES ago (Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit for that long).  If it only takes two years to arrive at cruising speed, WHY wait that long?

Because the Reapers still show up at the Citadel, C-Sec closes the arms, and the Reapers have no clue where all the civilizations are.  Plus, I'm sure the Citadel is completely self-sufficient and will have a population large enough to procreate meaning the Reapers fail.

It not like the reapers don't have a master key to get the door open. They did build the thing you know.

[GreenDragon37]

They flew here. Simple as that.

[Anacronian Stryx]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ok ...let make a summary of the debate so far........

1.Sovergin is the vanguard and it's his job to signal the reast of the reapers into the citidel relay. But it goes wrong......

2. We don't have a clear date we he/she/it tried to start the reaping but it fall and it was with in the last thousand years.

As Almostfaceman points out Chorban's mail seem to affirm that Sovereign tried to send the signal "around now" with pretty much indicates that Sovereign tried to send the signal just before the events of Mass Effect 1. 

 
3.Sovergin tries many way to findout why the citidel relay and takesover the rachni to do it(Hence the "with in the last 1000 years".) but fails due to a krogan infestation.

4.He than tried the turians later.(The half crappy new comic. bleh.) AKA, asmall military branch with a rho like artifact .(Think machine cult from ME1.) But fails due to an illiusive man.

First of all the Rachni war was over 2000 years ago not 1000 and honestly it is insane to believe that Sovereign spend 2000 years trying to access the Citadel, Also it's completely illogical when taking the Alpha Relay into consideration.

Second these event's seem to me to have far more to do with the Reapers shaping galactic event's to their liking, Like a farmer tending to his fields of crops before a harvest. 

[Kekkis]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Also, contrary to popular belief, if the reapers could reach light speed, they wouldn't need to burn any extra fuel in order to reach the galaxy. Many of you have heard the line from the military guy on the Citadel:

An object in motion stays in motion until acted upon by an outside force... That makes Sir Isaac Newton the deadliest SOB in Space!

Because, due to Einstein, we know that nothing can travel faster than light without magic (at this point) but things can move as fast as light, all the Reapers would need to do is accelerate to the speed of light then cruise along under their own momentum till they got here.

Unless they ran through a random cloud of Hydrogen or some such gas they could go on indefinitely.

Mass Effect universe didn´t read that memo from Einstein. We fly around galaxy and it surely is much faster than speed of light. We need to use fuel all the time when we travel from star system to another without Relays. Without fuel we need to use resources to keep engines running.

I wonder why people keep thinking that Reapers go halfway to Andromeda to sleep. Makes much more sense, that they hang out just far enough so they are not detected. And they had no reason to start moving when Sonya was around and they had hope that their original plan to use Citadel could work.

Reapers try to avoid full open war, becouse if they keep losing more Reapers than new ones are born they will be wiped out someday. If they just storm in from one end of galaxy and start harvesting they give too much time to rest of the galaxy to figure out nasty plans. It took 500 years to do last harvest properly. 

[G00N3R7883]

Wow another these threads.

Okay its like in WW2 if the Allies [Reapers] could have just teleported straight into Berlin [Citadel] to kill Hitler [the Council] instead of having to land at Normandy first [Alpha Relay] and then fight through France [several star systems].

And no I am not saying the Reapers are the good guys.

[jasonsantanna]

Spectreshadow wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Spectreshadow wrote...

There is no evidence of this but it can be strongly suggested that the Rachni Wars was the first major attempt of Sovereign to begin the harvest.  I would say if the Salarians didn't find the Krogan it likely would have succeded.

How would starting the Rachni war in any be an attempt to start the harvest the two things seems completely unrelated to me?

There like a million easier ways for Sovereign to gain access to the the citadel relay than starting a war that will take many years to resolve and will only lead to lessen the amount of sentient species that the reapers can harvest.

I personally think that there is a much better explanation to the Rachni war - The war wasn't about the citadel at all it was all about the Rachni and their nature, I'll try to explain my idea down below.

The Reapers wants races that develop along the lines they have sat forth - Use Mass Effect technology, Use the Relays and Use the citadel - This is their plan, but once in a while a race shows up that doesn't develop along these lines(i don't know for sure but i don't think the Rachni use Mass Effect technology at all)these races are of no use to the reapers and therefore they must be culled before they grow to strong and possibly threaten their "harvest-races".

So the war was about wiping out the Rachni not the citadel races, If the war went badly to the point of the Rachni being a actual threat to the existence of the citadel races then Sovereign would simply have used his influence over the Rachni to have them stop their advance, Luckily(for the reapers) it all went to plan and they might even got some fat trimmed of the citadel races in a pure Darwinian way.

In the end why would the reapers try to wipe out the citadel races that did everything right according to the reapers plan?

 

The Rachni would very much be like the Geth that Sovereign used when it tried to take the Citidel.  Plus keep in mind that Sovereign would have to reveal itself in order to manually open the relay so it would prefer to have the Rachni destroy as much of the current civilization as possible to ensure it isn't destroyed in the process.  This of course all stems from the Keeper signal getting corrupted.  This is the only reason Sovereign had to do what it did to start the harvest.  

I don't understand why ppl are in a frantic rage on how or why its takes the reapers 2 yrs to reach the Milky Way, maybe its not taking them two years to make but two yrs to prepare fir the next plan since Shep and crew stop the invasion with the Citadel, remember they were in slumber , so maybe they stayed in slumber until they had another way to reach the Milky Way from dark space, remember they built the relays so they may need to re caliber the relays or use dark energy to destroy a sun for a whole fleet to enter.
As for the Rachni wars I was to believe that they were being manipulated or indoctrinated as a force for the reapers by Soverien as allies which was hinted on by Legion and the
Rachni queen , when that relay was open that spoiled the reapers plan for using the rachni as ground troops, it is also hinted that the Rachni and keepers are related the same way the Protheans and Collectors are. The Human Reaper IMO was to be the new vanguard , and was in human form to manifest the sheer essence of humanity, our will power determination and its diversity, Shep embodies the best of those qualities.

[JayhartRIC]

dreman9999 wrote...

JayhartRIC wrote...

huntrrz wrote...

himmelgeher wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

I wonder.... The Citadel is giant mass relay, that means if Sovereign had opened the Citadel and let the Reapers through, how is that exactly possible?

Were the Reapers going to the Alpha Relay and then Sovereign activad the Citadel and then they can come through? Or were the Reapers in dark space and it would just open a huge portal for them to go through? I'm massively retarded. I dont think there are any Mass Relays out in dark space.

/facedesk
OF COURSE THERE ARE! I don't even... how could you even think that? Were you dropped on your head? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! The Citadel Relay has a sister relay in dark space to let the Reapers through. The Alpha relay was a backup. The point of the Citadel was that it accomplished all of their goals in one fell swoop. Getting them to and from dark space, census data, deactivating the Relay Network, disabling galactic communications, killing the galactic government. Literally everything they need to do. Two years of FTL travel is a long way to go and wastes a lot of resources. And it clearly would only be done if the first (infinitly more efficient) plan failed. It's clearly the more inefficient solution. But nooo... I clearly know less than the haters. Because it's completly illogical for Mecha-Cthulu to have one backup plan.

#Edit:
Dark Space only means "the space between galaxies" not "The exact midpoint between galaxies"

It's not illogical for them to have a back-up plan, but it IS illogical for them to wait so long to USE it.  The failure of the Keepers to respond to the signal to open the Citadel relay was, if I recall, CENTURIES ago (Sovereign had been looking for the Conduit for that long).  If it only takes two years to arrive at cruising speed, WHY wait that long?

Because the Reapers still show up at the Citadel, C-Sec closes the arms, and the Reapers have no clue where all the civilizations are.  Plus, I'm sure the Citadel is completely self-sufficient and will have a population large enough to procreate meaning the Reapers fail.

It not like the reapers don't have a master key to get the door open. They did build the thing you know.

There master key was the Keepers, but they aren't listening because of the Protheans.  Even if they attach to the station they still need someone on the inside to transfer control.

[Shirosaki17]

I agree. I'd like them to explain some of the inconsistencies but they never do. Probably because they know they are plot holes and made mistakes.

I just want to point out that the human reaper wasn't really meant to be a vanguard. Do you know why the reapers all look the same? Because they were all based around the same race. That race somehow died out and they have been trying to reproduce for at least 37 million years or however old they are. They've obviously had casualties, but the reapers all look the same as that one that is 37 million years old that you meet in ME2 that was dead. It means that the human race is the first one that they've come across in that amount of time where they could use to reproduce. The others were probably consumed and failed to produce more reapers.

I think this is why they want Shepard. They could clone him and make a new batch of reapers based on him. Or it could just be the generic plot point of keeping the hero alive so he can escape later. Also, could be they have simply waited until now to reproduce, but I don't think so. I think they've probably been trying to reproduce for awhile.

However, they can't have too many reapers around they need enough to feed their population and survive hibernation. Spending time in hibernation suggest that they can't stay active for 50k years without food. Could just be more efficient though.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 01 avril 2011 - 07:11 .

[Elite Midget]

I'ts simple.

Bioware retconned things.

In ME1 the Citadel was the only way they could arrive quickly.

In Arrival that part is retconned out and it turns out the Reapers had multiple options of quickly arriveing but were just hit with the Stupid Stick in ME1.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

How do we get the grocery store without wheeled transportation?  We walk


@Elite Midget:  It's no retcon, the Reapers went to the next closest relay.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 01 avril 2011 - 08:05 .

[Whatever42]

Elite Midget wrote...

I'ts simple.

Bioware retconned things.

In ME1 the Citadel was the only way they could arrive quickly.

In Arrival that part is retconned out and it turns out the Reapers had multiple options of quickly arriveing but were just hit with the Stupid Stick in ME1.

Well then we would have a plothole. What Reaper in its right mind would deliberately strand itself out in dark space with only one door back?

[Elite Midget]

Obviously the Reapers did since they saw no need for another way back outside the Citadel. Which is why in ME1 it was their 'only' way to arrive to the Universe in a timely manner other than just slowly moving there. Which is exactly what happened in ME2 after the Collector's failed them to build a new Reaper to start up things again since the Citadel races are dumb.

After all, did you see any Relays or the such at the end of ME2? I sure as heck didn't! All they we saw was them turning on and than slowly boosting to the Universe.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 01 avril 2011 - 08:22 .