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[GreenDragon37]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Wow another these threads.

Okay its like in WW2 if the Allies [Reapers] could have just teleported straight into Berlin [Citadel] to kill Hitler [the Council] instead of having to land at Normandy first [Alpha Relay] and then fight through France [several star systems].

And no I am not saying the Reapers are the good guys.

This is a good representation. Well done.

[kaotician]

Apropos of nothing, and noting merely just how secretive the Reapers actually are, it then struck me that this enemy we're up against is the sum total of the distillation of every successful race in our galaxy for the last several hundred million years. What an enemy to face!!!

[Whatever42]

Arcian wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Well then we would have a plothole. What Reaper in its right mind would deliberately strand itself out in dark space with only one door back?

The one who doesn't want to get found.

A couple years outside of our galaxy and they will never be found.

[Elite Midget]

That's if they started moving at the end of ME1.

However, the ending of ME2 shows that thee Reapers just chilled untill the Collector's failed.

[Whatever42]

Arcian wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
A couple years outside of our galaxy and they will never be found.

Uh... but that's exactly where they are. Consensus has it that they are 10,000 light years out. That's 2.3 years out, which, funny enough, coincides with the end of ME1 and the rough-time frame of ME2 (3-4 months).

Yes, but he was saying that having the Reapers so close was a retcon. I was saying that not having them able to get back without the Citadel would be a plothole.

[Dave666]

Elite Midget wrote...

That's if they started moving at the end of ME1.

However, the ending of ME2 shows that thee Reapers just chilled untill the Collector's failed.

Or one could view it as the Reapers just approaching the edge of the Galaxy...

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

That's if they started moving at the end of ME1.

However, the ending of ME2 shows that thee Reapers just chilled untill the Collector's failed.

Nope.  All it shows is a reveal of a Reaper fleet advancing towards the galaxy.

[Dave666]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
A couple years outside of our galaxy and they will never be found.

Uh... but that's exactly where they are. Consensus has it that they are 10,000 light years out. That's 2.3 years out, which, funny enough, coincides with the end of ME1 and the rough-time frame of ME2 (3-4 months).

Yes, but he was saying that having the Reapers so close was a retcon. I was saying that not having them able to get back without the Citadel would be a plothole.

If the reapers couldn't get back without the Citadel then there wouldn't be a plot hole as such, there just wouldn't be a plot.  

Ooo big scary Reapers!

Yeah? So what? They're trapped!

Oh, yeah, shall we just forget about them then?

Probably best.

The End.

[Almostfaceman]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
A couple years outside of our galaxy and they will never be found.

Uh... but that's exactly where they are. Consensus has it that they are 10,000 light years out. That's 2.3 years out, which, funny enough, coincides with the end of ME1 and the rough-time frame of ME2 (3-4 months).

Yes, but he was saying that having the Reapers so close was a retcon. I was saying that not having them able to get back without the Citadel would be a plothole.

Correct.

[Whatever42]

Dave666 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
A couple years outside of our galaxy and they will never be found.

Uh... but that's exactly where they are. Consensus has it that they are 10,000 light years out. That's 2.3 years out, which, funny enough, coincides with the end of ME1 and the rough-time frame of ME2 (3-4 months).

Yes, but he was saying that having the Reapers so close was a retcon. I was saying that not having them able to get back without the Citadel would be a plothole.

If the reapers couldn't get back without the Citadel then there wouldn't be a plot hole as such, there just wouldn't be a plot.  

Ooo big scary Reapers!

Yeah? So what? They're trapped!

Oh, yeah, shall we just forget about them then?

Probably best.

The End.

That's a far more important point, I agree.

[Tleining]

Dave666 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

That's if they started moving at the end of ME1.

However, the ending of ME2 shows that thee Reapers just chilled untill the Collector's failed.

Or one could view it as the Reapers just approaching the edge of the Galaxy...

hmm, maybe, but to me it was pretty obvious that the Reaper-Fleet was powering-up and starting to advance. Then again, it's possible that this was again a "mistake" of the responsible department, like in ME 1, where the Ships were getting in close before starting to shoot.

[Dave666]

Tleining wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

That's if they started moving at the end of ME1.

However, the ending of ME2 shows that thee Reapers just chilled untill the Collector's failed.

Or one could view it as the Reapers just approaching the edge of the Galaxy...

hmm, maybe, but to me it was pretty obvious that the Reaper-Fleet was powering-up and starting to advance. Then again, it's possible that this was again a "mistake" of the responsible department, like in ME 1, where the Ships were getting in close before starting to shoot.

Hey, I'm certaionly not saying that you are wrong, but imagine this scenario.  After Sovereign dies the Reapers set off they power up their engines and blast towards the Galaxy, then, to conserve energy they power down again and allow momentem (Newton and all that) to carry them the rest of the way.  As they approach the Galaxy they power back up so that  they can maneuver more easilly.  Just food for thought.

[kaotician]

It's just artistic license, like in a movie where you cut to a guy gunning his engine, downshifting, then to the screech of the tires and roar of the engine. It adds drama to the scene. The Reapers are coming, and coming FAST, kind of thing.

[282xvl]

A space wizard used majick and a flux capacitor and heeeeeeere's harby!

How did you think?!

[snakeboy86]

i really think people are overanalyzing this, but of course if you'd like, go right ahead

[Nathan Redgrave]

You know, going from "just a little ways outside of the galaxy" to "the mass relay closest to the edge of the galaxy" shouldn't really take a whole lot of disbelief-suspension. I don't really get why this is such a sticking point.

[Dave666]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

You know, going from "just a little ways outside of the galaxy" to "the mass relay closest to the edge of the galaxy" shouldn't really take a whole lot of disbelief-suspension. I don't really get why this is such a sticking point.

Its because for some obscure reason some people seem to believe that because we stopped the Reapers using the Citadel to immediately travel here then that means that the Reapers are now 'trapped' in dark space and that there's no possible way that they could ever get here now.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Elite Midget wrote...

That's if they started moving at the end of ME1.

However, the ending of ME2 shows that thee Reapers just chilled untill the Collector's failed.

Stop repeating that. It's not going to make it any more true.

[Bad King]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Wow another these threads.

Okay its like in WW2 if the Allies [Reapers] could have just teleported straight into Berlin [Citadel] to kill Hitler [the Council] instead of having to land at Normandy first [Alpha Relay] and then fight through France [several star systems].

And no I am not saying the Reapers are the good guys.

There is a difference however- firstly, the Western Allies had a hard struggle against them. They would suffer heavy casualties fighting through France and into Germany, even if victory did seem inevitable. However, one reaper (with a few geth ships supporting it) took on a large portion of the council and Alliance fleet before eventually going down. A whole fleet of them could destroy every fleet in the galaxy with few, if any, casualties. Secondly, the Alpha Relay would transport the Reapers straight to the citadel from the outer pockets of the galaxy, so they wouldn't have had to fight through the galaxy to get to the Citadel anyway.

[Whatever42]

Bad King wrote...

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Wow another these threads.

Okay its like in WW2 if the Allies [Reapers] could have just teleported straight into Berlin [Citadel] to kill Hitler [the Council] instead of having to land at Normandy first [Alpha Relay] and then fight through France [several star systems].

And no I am not saying the Reapers are the good guys.

There is a difference however- firstly, the Western Allies had a hard struggle against them. They would suffer heavy casualties fighting through France and into Germany, even if victory did seem inevitable. However, one reaper (with a few geth ships supporting it) took on a large portion of the council and Alliance fleet before eventually going down. A whole fleet of them could destroy every fleet in the galaxy with few, if any, casualties. Secondly, the Alpha Relay would transport the Reapers straight to the citadel from the outer pockets of the galaxy, so they wouldn't have had to fight through the galaxy to get to the Citadel anyway.

But it wouldn't have been right to the Citadel. It would be to the relay near the Citadel. They would have done exactly what Sovey and the Geth did, kick the crap out of the Council fleet. But unlike what happened in ME1, the Citadel would have closed the arms.

BTW, the Geth kicked the crap out of the Council fleet, not Sovereign.

[vx SmOkEy xv]

Just think, the reapers are gonna be P*ssed after all that travelling!