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[Anacronian Stryx]

Il Divo wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Well i guess that if the arms are closed the reapers could just fly in and shut down the relays leading to the citadel (Sovereign did that in ME1 so they can shut down a relay in their near vicinity) and then just wait out until the citadel runs out of supplies (it is a space station after all..perhaps they should have put fish for food in all those lakes like the krogan said ).

Edit : Perhaps a siege of the citadel will be a storyline since ME 2 did make the point that Cornucopia tech is still a part of fiction even in the mass effect universe.

Wait, when did Sovereign shut down all the relays leading to the Citadel?

When he entered the system with his Geth fleet, That's why you as Shepard has to open the relay to let the Alliance fleet in, Remember?

Edit : Though now i come to think about it it could also be Saren who locked down the relay..funny i have never thought of that.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 02 avril 2011 - 02:15 .

[Whatever42]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Once they take the Citadel they can use it to disable all relays. It's what they did with the Protheans. It's how they cut off all communication. They then collect the data from the Citadel and subsequent worlds they conquer to find out where all civilized life is.

Yes, ONCE they take the Citadel. They NEED the Citadel. That's the whole point of this conversation. Not taking the citadel is bad. Destroying the citadel is worse.

I'm having trouble finding out what our basic miscommunication is here. Did you think I was suggesting they didn't want to take the Citadel?

Sovereign, Saren, and the Geth used the conduit to teleport in an army to seize the Citadel. Saren shot everyone, used the Citadel control to keep open the arms so Sovey could get in and seized the Citadel tower so he could manually activate Citadel to gate in the Reaper armada.

If the Reapers could simply remote control the Citadel, they wouldn't need to do all this. If they could simply hack the Citadel from outside, they wouldn't need to do all this. If they though it would be simple and risk free to simply smash their way into the citadel and take control, they wouldn't need to do all this.

But they did all that. So they can't remote control it. So they can't simply hack in. So seiging it is hard and/or dangerous. There could be another reason. If Sovereign has an ego (which he seems to) maybe he did that all on his own (as Zulu would suggest). But I'm wagering they can't or ME3 will be a very short game. Reapers jump in, take the Citadel, shut down the relays, and game over. Total playing time - one cut scene.

[Shirosaki17]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Once they take the Citadel they can use it to disable all relays. It's what they did with the Protheans. It's how they cut off all communication. They then collect the data from the Citadel and subsequent worlds they conquer to find out where all civilized life is.

Yes, ONCE they take the Citadel. They NEED the Citadel. That's the whole point of this conversation. Not taking the citadel is bad. Destroying the citadel is worse.

I'm having trouble finding out what our basic miscommunication is here. Did you think I was suggesting they didn't want to take the Citadel?

Sovereign, Saren, and the Geth used the conduit to teleport in an army to seize the Citadel. Saren shot everyone, used the Citadel control to keep open the arms so Sovey could get in and seized the Citadel tower so he could manually activate Citadel to gate in the Reaper armada.

If the Reapers could simply remote control the Citadel, they wouldn't need to do all this. If they could simply hack the Citadel from outside, they wouldn't need to do all this. If they though it would be simple and risk free to simply smash their way into the citadel and take control, they wouldn't need to do all this.

But they did all that. So they can't remote control it. So they can't simply hack in. So seiging it is hard and/or dangerous. There could be another reason. If Sovereign has an ego (which he seems to) maybe he did that all on his own (as Zulu would suggest). But I'm wagering they can't or ME3 will be a very short game. Reapers jump in, take the Citadel, shut down the relays, and game over. Total playing time - one cut scene.

Using this kind of logic is flawed is what I'm saying. You're assuming they can't take the Citadel with the arms closed. There is no evidence of that. Just because they don't attack the Citadel and take it over in ME3 doesn't mean they can't. 

It's like saying in movies when the bad guy catches the good guy and can kill him but doesn't. Then he leaves him with 1 or 2 inept guards that he eventually escapes from. This doesn't mean the bad guy couldn't kill the good guy, it just means he didn't because it's bad writing.

Of course they aren't going to write the Reapers seiging the Citadel at the beginning of the game it would be over. If the Reapers are as numerous as has been stated, they could probably blockade a lot of the main relays and prevent people from organizing, while sieging the Citadel. Of course they won't do anything intelligent because they are the bad guys and the writing will probably be bad.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 03 avril 2011 - 02:30 .

[Whatever42]

Shirosaki17 wrote...
Using this kind of logic is flawed is what I'm saying. You're assuming they can't take the Citadel with the arms closed. There is no evidence of that. Just because they don't attack the Citadel and take it over in ME3 doesn't mean they can't. 

It's like saying in movies when the bad guy catches the good guy and can kill him but doesn't. Then he leaves him with 1 or 2 inept guards that he eventually escapes from. This doesn't mean the bad guy couldn't kill the good guy, it just means he didn't because it's bad writing.

Of course they aren't going to write the Reapers seiging the Citadel at the beginning of the game it would be over. If the Reapers are as numerous as has been stated, they could probably blockade a lot of the main relays and prevent people from organizing, while sieging the Citadel. Of course they won't do anything intelligent because they are the bad guys and the writing will probably be bad.

No, there is no evidence of that. There is no evidence that Reapers can push a "reap galaxy" button and reap us all instantly. But seeing as how we haven't been reaped, we can assume they don't have one.

Yes, you could be right. Perhaps the writers intend the Reapers to have the ability to take the citadel easily but have decided that the reapers won't because either the reapers are stupid or the writers are.  I'm going to assume the reapers don't just take the citadel because its not that easy for them. You can assume the writers are stupid if that works for you. Of course, since the gameplay is not that amazing and most of the reason we play this game is for the writing, why are you playing it?