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[Volus Warlord]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

randumb vanguard wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

You know what? Your brother should just fight this bully. Schools will only do something when a fight breaks out. Trust me, it happened to me in middle school. Your brother might get in trouble (which is BS) but at least something will change.

Fights happen all the time at my school. Nothing Changes. :/

I'm with SaM here, fighting only makes things worse for all involved.

I'm sorry, but you should take talk like that to a backwater hippie commune where such idiocy belongs.

not Getting into a fight where his brother can get seriously hurt is idiotic?

Cmon now. Seriously hurt? Unless he has osteoporosis or something along those lines that is very doubtful.

In all seriousness, what else can he do? Ask assistance from the teachers? Won't help. Ask them nicely to stop? Yeah, right.

The only forseeable way out of this is for him to stand up for himself. If he does not learn now, he never will. And then he will continue to be a weak little incompetant his entire life. Is that worth saving a few bruises?

[Druss99]

I went to a particularly rough school (guy headbutted an elderly female teacher in the face infront of an entire classroom full of witnesses and got off with it) where bullying was constantly going on, but teachers never did a damn thing. In the end up its often one kids word against anothers.

Captain if your brother isn't that big or can't fight too well he could take up a self defence class like karate or something to help him with his confidence defending himself. Although thats more of a long term thing. In the meantime if your parents know about it they should start making threats about suing or going to the papers if he isn't being properly looked after in school.

Older kids would try to bully me when I was a youngling and often my temperamental nature would result me punching them in the mouth and starting a fight. I didn't always win, hell I got my ass kicked alot but no one ever tried to bully me twice. I think if they know your going to give them any sort of fight and they might get hurt even if they win then they will be alot less willing to verbally or physically bully you.

[saMoorai]

Volus Warlord wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

randumb vanguard wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

You know what? Your brother should just fight this bully. Schools will only do something when a fight breaks out. Trust me, it happened to me in middle school. Your brother might get in trouble (which is BS) but at least something will change.

Fights happen all the time at my school. Nothing Changes. :/

I'm with SaM here, fighting only makes things worse for all involved.

I'm sorry, but you should take talk like that to a backwater hippie commune where such idiocy belongs.

not Getting into a fight where his brother can get seriously hurt is idiotic?

Cmon now. Seriously hurt? Unless he has osteoporosis or something along those lines that is very doubtful.

In all seriousness, what else can he do? Ask assistance from the teachers? Won't help. Ask them nicely to stop? Yeah, right.

The only forseeable way out of this is for him to stand up for himself. If he does not learn now, he never will. And then he will continue to be a weak little incompetant his entire life. Is that worth saving a few bruises?

Or he can learn to deal with his problems without violence.

[slimgrin]

saMOOrai182 wrote...


Or he can learn to deal with his problems without violence.

That's not always possible.

[Volus Warlord]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

randumb vanguard wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

You know what? Your brother should just fight this bully. Schools will only do something when a fight breaks out. Trust me, it happened to me in middle school. Your brother might get in trouble (which is BS) but at least something will change.

Fights happen all the time at my school. Nothing Changes. :/

I'm with SaM here, fighting only makes things worse for all involved.

I'm sorry, but you should take talk like that to a backwater hippie commune where such idiocy belongs.

not Getting into a fight where his brother can get seriously hurt is idiotic?

Cmon now. Seriously hurt? Unless he has osteoporosis or something along those lines that is very doubtful.

In all seriousness, what else can he do? Ask assistance from the teachers? Won't help. Ask them nicely to stop? Yeah, right.

The only forseeable way out of this is for him to stand up for himself. If he does not learn now, he never will. And then he will continue to be a weak little incompetant his entire life. Is that worth saving a few bruises?

Or he can learn to deal with his problems without violence.

Grade school kid? Deal with problems without violence?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA /slaps thigh AHAHAHAHAHAHA


In case you haven't noticed, the vast majority of adults cannot deal with problems without violence.  But that may not be the most relevant statement.


What then, is the nonviolent path to take? What is the alternative that will preserve his well-being and self-respect?

[Tazzmission]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

 Did your teachers and/or guidance counsilors ever help you? My youngest brother is dealing with a bullying problem and according to him, his teachers act like everything is fine even when people are being verbally bullied right in front of them. I grew up pretty short and this was an issue for me back in grade school, especially when my teachers kept assuring "everything will be fine...don't worry...you'll get through it". Maybe it's because I was in containment classes for most of my time. They'll put you in with ANYBODY in those settings.

back in highschool some kid was talking trash about me.... i ended up putting him in a headlock and threw a few jabs in with my left. funny thing is the school called his dad to see if he wanted to press charges and he said no because he said my son probably asked for it.

Modifié par Tazzmission, 30 mars 2011 - 01:38 .

[C9316]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

randumb vanguard wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

You know what? Your brother should just fight this bully. Schools will only do something when a fight breaks out. Trust me, it happened to me in middle school. Your brother might get in trouble (which is BS) but at least something will change.

Fights happen all the time at my school. Nothing Changes. :/

I'm with SaM here, fighting only makes things worse for all involved.

I'm sorry, but you should take talk like that to a backwater hippie commune where such idiocy belongs.

not Getting into a fight where his brother can get seriously hurt is idiotic?

Cmon now. Seriously hurt? Unless he has osteoporosis or something along those lines that is very doubtful.

In all seriousness, what else can he do? Ask assistance from the teachers? Won't help. Ask them nicely to stop? Yeah, right.

The only forseeable way out of this is for him to stand up for himself. If he does not learn now, he never will. And then he will continue to be a weak little incompetant his entire life. Is that worth saving a few bruises?

Or he can learn to deal with his problems without violence.

But the only other way would be to tell the teachers, yet they don't do anything. The negligence of the teachers is what causes fights like these to breakout, which are usually in self defense.

[saMoorai]

Volus Warlord wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

randumb vanguard wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

You know what? Your brother should just fight this bully. Schools will only do something when a fight breaks out. Trust me, it happened to me in middle school. Your brother might get in trouble (which is BS) but at least something will change.

Fights happen all the time at my school. Nothing Changes. :/

I'm with SaM here, fighting only makes things worse for all involved.

I'm sorry, but you should take talk like that to a backwater hippie commune where such idiocy belongs.

not Getting into a fight where his brother can get seriously hurt is idiotic?

Cmon now. Seriously hurt? Unless he has osteoporosis or something along those lines that is very doubtful.

In all seriousness, what else can he do? Ask assistance from the teachers? Won't help. Ask them nicely to stop? Yeah, right.

The only forseeable way out of this is for him to stand up for himself. If he does not learn now, he never will. And then he will continue to be a weak little incompetant his entire life. Is that worth saving a few bruises?

Or he can learn to deal with his problems without violence.

Grade school kid? Deal with problems without violence?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA /slaps thigh AHAHAHAHAHAHA


In case you haven't noticed, the vast majority of adults cannot deal with problems without violence.  But that may not be the most relevant statement.


What then, is the nonviolent path to take? What is the alternative that will preserve his well-being and self-respect?

Learn to ignore them? Thats what i do.

[Druss99]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Learn to ignore them? Thats what i do.

You don't know exactly how he is being bullied or what they are doing. It might not be something that can be ignored, sometimes violence is the only answer.

[Volus Warlord]

saMOOrai182 wrote...




Learn to ignore them? Thats what i do.

Haha. I once thought I could do the same.


And you know what happened? The ****s would stab me with pencils, spit on me, yell in my ear, etc.. to get my attention. And no, the teachers wouldn't do dick.

If he was just an observer, he might get away with ignoring the occasional bully. But if he is a popular target, the such will not work. His patience will run out and his temper expire until he will want to fight, and rightfully so.

So, if the bully starts something, give him a nice elbow to the to nose, and if they try to hurt you, beat them till they squeal. It will make life much, much easier in the long run.

[saMoorai]

Volus Warlord wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...




Learn to ignore them? Thats what i do.

Haha. I once thought I could do the same.


And you know what happened? The ****s would stab me with pencils, spit on me, yell in my ear, etc.. to get my attention. And no, the teachers wouldn't do dick.

If he was just an observer, he might get away with ignoring the occasional bully. But if he is a popular target, the such will not work. His patience will run out and his temper expire until he will want to fight, and rightfully so.

So, if the bully starts something, give him a nice elbow to the to nose, and if they try to hurt you, beat them till they squeal. It will make life much, much easier in the long run.

I'm a Popular target because i befriend certain people. I get threatened, Harassed, Made fun of, And Last year beaten on a daily basis. I Just let them do it, why? I felt pity for them. they weren't worth my time and i knew was the better person at the end of the day. i'll admit i've been close to snapping and beating them up a few times and a couple times in my life i thought about suicide. But i chose not to let them control my life. Learning  how to deal with this early on without resorting to violence is best, or else we're no better then they are.

[ADelusiveMan]

There is only one solution for bullies - beat them at their own game. If push comes to shove, throw a punch.

[Hannibal218]

I, myself, am a high school teacher. First let me address something that I find relatively disturbing. The general consensus here is that my colleagues and I are generally useless. Let me say that there are burnt out teachers that have become jaded burnt out husks of their former selves. These are the teachers that choose to look the other way when they see bullying taking place. Some of us, however, don't let the bitter cynicism that goes hand and hand with being a teacher get in the way of our obligations.

That said, I'll tell you right now that if I see any form of bullying I immeiately step in and do what I can to deal with the problem. Unfortunately, I'm not a knight in shining armor, I'm a public employee whose actions are limited by rules, regs, and thethreat of litigation hanging overhead like the Sword of Damocles. There is only so much that I can do and only so many places that I can be at any one given time. If a student comes to me complaining about bullying I'll do what I can and I guarantee that it wouldn't happen in my classroom but once the kids get into the hall, go to lunch, or head home I can't maintain that guarantee. As a responsible teacher I would take this problem up with the administration (e.g. principal) in an attempt to deal with the issue. Problem is that most administrations are slow or even reluctant to act. What it ultimately comes down to is that it's up to a student to take care of his or herself. Basic devpsych tells us that bullies behave the way they do becuase of a lack of empathy, low self-esteem, and a lack of conflict resolution skills. They put others down because they don't realize how hurtfull that they are being and to make themselves feel empowered. If you deny them the sensory input they are seeking (e.g. anger, sadness, shame, embarassment, et cetera) they will move on to another target. The easiest way to end verbal abuse is to respond in a way that will not satisfy the bully's need (e.g. if a bully calls a student "gay" then respond "only on tuesdays" or if a bully makes fun of you for being geeky respond with a sincere "thanks). Another common trend is that bullies don't fear reprisal because of zero tolerance policies on fighting. If the student being bullied retaliates physically then he'll be suspended. Keep in mind that sometimes a week suspension is worth it. I personally don't condone violence except as a final option but sometimes that is what it takes.

So, in short, your brother should appeal to the administrators, don't be afraid of going over anyone's head. If that doesn't work try to starve the bully of his desired stimulus and if it comes down to it go ahead and kick him in the bollocks when he isn't looking and then kick his teeth in.

Modifié par Hannibal218, 30 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[KenKenpachi]

randumb vanguard wrote...

"When confronted with human problems, force will not bring a lasting solution. That is why I attach great importance to the feeling of mutual love among all human beings, as well as to the sense of responsibility of community life. These concepts are the source of peace everywhere in the world. They are the origin of all individual and collective fulfillment in a human community and therefore of concern to us all." -Dalai Lama

And thats why I say the Dalai Lama is full of ****. Because I've known a good number of people who are nothing but pure malice and enjoy seeing a fellow human in pain. People from where I am from has destroyed any hope of Common good being lasting short of with force. Hell I went to school with ****s that would laugh at people who's homes were burned just to make them cry. If the Dalai Lama can find any love in those people I'ld be highly surprised.

Anyways on topic. Most Teachers don't give a **** about anything short of next months pay. I was smaller than most kids, hell I'm STILL smaller than most men being only 5'7" tall. And I was from a poor family, so I was the target of alot of "fine loving folks". Teachers for the most part when it was brought up used what they did to your brother, or just asked the bully in question. Who would of course say I was lying and being I'm the poor stupid white kid, my word was worth ****.  So when they hit me I started hitting back till I got stronger.

And I don't find it wrong at all, in fact my parents didn't care about it at all provided two things happend.  I didn't start it, and I won. Of course for the same reason, and my later diving into the martial arts and asian culture, I was a person that some where uneasy with, and didn't have as many friends, I hung out with the other crazies and outcasts, and you know what, I don't regret any of it. Least with us, if we'll stab you in the back it'll be with a knife, not a smile and a handshake. And I respected that.

Some say force isn't a solution, well its bought me plenty of peace. Not saying he should fight, just that don't count on teach for a damn thing except to make the problem worse.

EDIT removed much of my text, not that important made the post too long imo.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 30 mars 2011 - 02:45 .

[Wardog15]

I was only bullied once for a short time in sixth grade. I did not take it to the teachers because I knew nothing would be done. So one time he messed with me I slammed his head into some nearby lockers. Teacher didn't see, they never touched me again. Problem solved.

[Hannibal218]

Why all the teacher hate, I'm not feelin' any love at all here man...

[Lugwy]

I have been bullied a few times, but only one stands out: Kindergarten, before I could speak English, and so can't really solve the problem with words. Thus, a kid thought it'd be funny if he kept on harassing me and stealing my snacks. He probably thought that my inability to speak English meant I'd be his punching dummy, but I later disabused him of that notion by pinning him to the wall with his hair. I was brought in for detention (if only briefly) but it was worth it to see him cry and not bug me again.

I'm all for non-violent solutions to stuff, but sometimes people are jaded or just plain malicious. Their hearts are cold, and their stubbornness and lack of empathy knows no bounds. Thus, under such circumstances, a lesson needs to be brought home...forcefully, if need be.

Plus, it's a language everybody understands, regardless of nationality, race, or somesuch.

[KenKenpachi]

Hannibal218 wrote...

Why all the teacher hate, I'm not feelin' any love at all here man...

>>


Hey teacher leave them kids alone!
All in all your just another brick in the wall.
 



Actully I had little respect for most of my teachers, as most of them didn't know **** short of what was in the book the state sent them, and I helped with portions of a couple of classes, as those subjects were hobbies of mine, thus further lowering my opinion for them, and most government workers in general.

[Clover Rider]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Hannibal218 wrote...

Why all the teacher hate, I'm not feelin' any love at all here man...

>>


Hey teacher leave them kids alone!
All in all your just another brick in the wall.
 



Actully I had little respect for most of my teachers, as most of them didn't know **** short of what was in the book the state sent them, and I helped with portions of a couple of classes, as those subjects were hobbies of mine, thus further lowering my opinion for them, and most government workers in general.

It's funny I want to be a history teacher and I will make sure no bully will pick on anyone in my class and if they do well let's just say I can a be scary:whistle:.