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[Galad22]

BeljoraDien wrote...

I think the point was that BW/EA probably had some input into how Steam labeled the game.

Yes that was the point. I'd say it is telling that they don't consider their own game as only rpg, but rather action rpg.

It might not mean much to some people, but I see some differenses between the two.

[M8DMAN]

HawXV2 wrote...

No. DA2 >> Origins >>>> Awakening

You can not be serious.  Origin's blows DA2 out of the water.

[Persephone]

M8DMAN wrote...

HawXV2 wrote...

No. DA2 >> Origins >>>> Awakening

You can not be serious.  Origin's blows DA2 out of the water.

See, opinions are a curious thing. Not everyone has the same. And that makes the world much more interesting.:happy:

[M8DMAN]

XX55XX wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Under what rules of enjoying games is there a stipulation that for a game to be enjoyed, it must be an epic adventure? Why can't a game be good without being a schlepic epic? Epics can be just as dull and boring as non-epics. Non-epics can be just as fun and entertaining as epics.

DA2 tried not to be an epic.

And it didn't quite succeed. Epic narratives are BioWare's forte, so they should stick to those instead.

I agree DA2 felt a LOT less epic then Origin's.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 30 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[Tereval]

I enjoy what they attempted in DA2. Yes it was a rushed cash based game, but the people at Bioware did a great job finding a way to learn something and try something new despite that.

Awakening was a far bigger disappointment to me than DA2.
Awakenings companion characters were generally pretty dull and dead. Justice was a great concept and completely under utilized. The actual side development of the characters was practically absent.

Anders was more fun in awakenings and his characterization in DA2 was poor mainly because he didn't seem like a changed man but a different man. Too much of him wasn't the same.

Putting the two side by side.

Awakening was an expansion to a high quality, deep and expansive game which was itself short, disjointed, and very linear. The connection to the original game was weak and the actually flow of story from game to expansion was pretty minimal. I also felt that Mhairi was an awful shoe horn and started the game on the wrong foot for me. She dies to show that some people die from trying to be a Warden..... right up there with Final Fantasy 8 and its amnesia plot hook, its weak its lazy and it just makes it hard to stay emotionally involved. Awakening had good elements and I did enjoy it but it was weak when considered as an aspect of the very strong game it was an expansion to.

DA2 by comparison was exactly what it was supposed to be, streamlined and more limited in scope but more intimate, driven by character narratives instead of by events. It has major shortfalls but it at least it is everything it tries to be. It could just have been better while still being the same thing. The party banter and the party relationships in DA2 will be looked at in the future as a vital first step in making a living breathing game with real living companions. The idea of telling a big story about a small area is an interesting approach and one I think will evolve well.

I'll add I'm an old school CRPG player but I enjoyed the fast paced combat and I found having the option to play strategically or not refreshing. Some fights are just cannon fodder and I enjoy being able to treat them just as such. It gives you a sense of the power of the heroes you play to just burn through some encounters and enhances the excitement of more epic encounters by comparison when you do have to play smart.

Modifié par Tereval, 30 mars 2011 - 01:02 .

[LocutusX]

Volourn wrote...

" Let's face the reality of ~200+ hrs of gameplay on Origins"

WUT? More like 50-60 hours tops. And, DA2 was 50-60 hours tops.

Damn, I must be the slowest player in the world...

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Modifié par LocutusX, 30 mars 2011 - 01:01 .

[AddictedRebel72]

I thought Anders and Oghren were great in Awakenings. Not a bad story but far, far too easy even on nightmare. Second playthrough for me was a heavy chore. Too many talents, (which by the way, DA2's upgrades are far better than having 20 activated talents to ponder over), money coming out of your ears also.
The rune crafting was a good idea in the wrong place. Awakenings was far too short to have that in there and with no enemy scaling a lot of things felt very redundant.
Origins was great but the DLC was sketchy at best, a confusing malstrom of random ideas.

[Serpieri Nei]

Volourn wrote...

" Let's face the reality of ~200+ hrs of gameplay on Origins"

WUT? More like 50-60 hours tops. And, DA2 was 50-60 hours tops.

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble, completed DA2 on Nightmare in about 28hrs, and thats including all quests, companion, and sidequests. Except for the ones that are busted and must be patched. Origins, has far greater mileage then this game.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 30 mars 2011 - 01:42 .

[Radwar]

HawXV2 wrote...

No. DA2 >> Origins >>>> Awakening

Lol that comment gave me a good chuckle. Let's see how many awards DA2 gets compared to DAO, including game of the year.

[Vicious]

lol... I enjoyed Dragon Age 2, but at least I am in touch with the reality that it's a rushed and diminished version of Dragon Age: Origins with a story slapped together quickly and graphics that are 5 years behind the times.

Gotta keep it real. Reality is DA2 is just not that great. Awakenings? Awakenings did one thing better: Brought you into the story and MADE YOU GIVE A DAMN.

DA2 didn't make me give a damn. The story was just all over the freaking place and by the end, literally nothing was solved, because nothing mattered. The story made no progression from 5 minutes in to 30 hours in.

[PSUHammer]

randallman wrote...

Archontic wrote...

Like it's the first time you've been disappointed in something you bought. E-bay it or shelve it. Every time you buy a game there's a 50/50 chance you'll regret it; get used to disappointment.

Wow, I had no idea folks would actually believe that someone would spend 160 hrs here complaining... 

That being said, e-bay no workie for PC games that turn into a coaster after registration.

Furthermore, part of the problem is that PC games are getting *worse* and *worse*...  The hit rate is dropping significantly.  But then again, such is life..

--Randall

Which is exactly why we, as a culture, need to get over buying PC games the day they are released.  If most of the people beeotching about this game now, would have waited a few weeks.  They may have saved themselves $60.

[Radwar]

Hammer6767 wrote...

randallman wrote...

Archontic wrote...

Like it's the first time you've been disappointed in something you bought. E-bay it or shelve it. Every time you buy a game there's a 50/50 chance you'll regret it; get used to disappointment.

Wow, I had no idea folks would actually believe that someone would spend 160 hrs here complaining... 

That being said, e-bay no workie for PC games that turn into a coaster after registration.

Furthermore, part of the problem is that PC games are getting *worse* and *worse*...  The hit rate is dropping significantly.  But then again, such is life..

--Randall

Which is exactly why we, as a culture, need to get over buying PC games the day they are released.  If most of the people beeotching about this game now, would have waited a few weeks.  They may have saved themselves $60.

DA2 will have good sales (not great) solely based on Bioware's past reputation, this will change when DA3 comes along. How many people like me who pre-ordered DA2 thinking it would be as great as DAO won't be pre-ordering or even buying the game until most of the reviews are out, I wonder.

Modifié par Radwar, 30 mars 2011 - 01:50 .

[Cybermortis]

Saved $60? What, the game is so bad retailers will be giving copies away for free in a few weeks?

Anyway. Ironically it was Awakenings that made me give up on DA2. I managed to copy my old DAO/A saved games over to my new PC, and rather than dig out the DAO disk booted up DA2 to check they had copied correctly. Since I had the game up and running, and was far enough along the character creation, I thought I'd start a new game.

Five minutes later I realised I had no stomach to play through the opening quest even as far as Flemmeth and turned the game off. Then for some reason I booted up DAO, as my first char had a save in Vigils Keep I decided to load that up.
Five minutes later I realised I'd had more fun talking to Master Wade for all of a minute than I'd had in DA2 in its entirety. This was the point I stopped feeling guilty at not playing DA2.

I wouldn't say DAO/A was all that good compared to the original. But it is more fun and looks better than DA2, at least to me. *Shrugs*

Modifié par Cybermortis, 30 mars 2011 - 02:00 .

[PSUHammer]

Cybermortis wrote...

Saved $60? What, the game is so bad retailers will be giving copies away for free in a few weeks?

No...but you can usually get them at a good discount if you wait a few months or decide if you want to buy it, at all.

Personally, I liked DA2 and feel I got my money's worth.  There is a lot of stuff I dont like about it, but, I could say that about any game, really.

[Pyrate_d]

I actually never bought awakening because it was released so soon that I felt like it would be short and poorly made

and then I buy DA2 only to discover that it's short and poorly made...

Bioware has got me every way I turn.

[randallman]

Persephone wrote...

Hey, I'm glad you enjoyed those aspects. I know many do. I simply hate those padding dungeons. As it is, most of my DAO playthroughs fizzle out once Ostagar begins these days. Don't hit me, it's just how I feel. And one day I'll feel this way about DA2 as well. But by then I'll have other games to enjoy. ME3. DA expansions and DA3. Or something else.

For the record, I don't hit people :-)  Not generally, anyway

To a certain extent I suppose I should be jealous that you somehow found entertainment value in DA2 and I did not.  And I also wish that the relative enjoyment levels between the 'haters' and the 'fans' weren't so polarizing.  I swear it's worse than politics.

That being said, I will most decidedly be awaiting the ME3 release and subsequent reviews; I will make my own decision as to whether I will purchase the game or not based not on opinion, not on preconceived notions about the gameplay and story due to association with past games in the franchise, but facts and emperical data.

[randallman]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Which is exactly why we, as a culture, need to get over buying PC games the day they are released.  If most of the people beeotching about this game now, would have waited a few weeks.  They may have saved themselves $60.

Ahh, 'tis a sword with two edges however.  If we PC gamers stop buying the gruel that we are served, it is far more likely that we will get NOTHING.  The console ports will stop and the well will run dry.  Don't get me wrong, some of the console ports are actually quite good such as ME1/2, KOTOR, and Grand Theft Auto III+.

Or perhaps not, perhaps game developers will get the message and realize that they have to try 'harder' to appeal to the PC gamer.

[Dragoonlordz]

Persephone wrote...

Couldn't disagree more. The way some feel about DA2, I feel about Awakening. I detest it. It's bugged, choppy and a chore to play. (To me, mind you) I hate Velanna, Awakening Oghren makes me gnash my teeth, Sigrun was awesome but the rest was meh...I wanted to see more of The Architect. More personal drama, I never felt any attachment to anybody in Awakening. (As opposed to DAO and DAII) Less glitches. Better cameos. I hate the Black Marsh, the Wending Wood bores me to tears and I never really got attached to Amaranthine or the Vigil. Only things I do love: Loghain's cameo, Wade, Herren, Sigrun and Nathaniel.

No offense or anything but DA2 companions IS awakening game play mechanics, it's a direct clone of it in fact.

Awakening: Cant talk to companions outside of quest hand me downs at (x) points in time.
Dragon Age 2: Cant talk to companions outside of quest hand me downs at (x) points in time

On top of that the main character in DA2 is not Hawke in reality it's Anders, if not top of mains he is directly second. Anders originally came from Awakening and if is the only reason Anders is in DA2. The only emotional attachment towards Anders for me is him in Awakening not DA2 (but that last bit is personal opinion nothing more).

 

[Dragoonlordz]

Pyrate_d wrote...

I actually never bought awakening because it was released so soon that I felt like it would be short and poorly made

and then I buy DA2 only to discover that it's short and poorly made...

Bioware has got me every way I turn.

lol first thought popped into my head was "Do'h" made me laugh. 

[TehPear]

randallman wrote...

Archontic wrote...

Am I the only one getting sick of seeing nothing but threads bashing DA2? I'm all for having and expressing opinions, but I reading page after page of it being inferior to DAO or whatever is getting a bit cliche. We get it that ou don't like the game. Go to the origins forums or the Mass Effect forums, or find another company to worship. Your opinions have been noted -- several thousand times.

TBH - we want to get our $59.99 worth of entertainment somehow...  Let's face the reality of ~200+ hrs of gameplay on Origins vs. the 40ish I've gotten out of DA2.  I suppose I have at least another 160 hours worth of forum time to exercise before I've gotten my money's worth.

You could just go outside for those other 160 hours to get your money's worth.

[neppakyo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

No offense or anything but DA2 companions IS awakening game play mechanics, it's a direct clone of it in fact.

Awakening: Cant talk to companions outside of quest hand me downs at (x) points in time.
Dragon Age 2: Cant talk to companions outside of quest hand me downs at (x) points in time

On top of that the main character in DA2 is not Hawke in reality it's Anders, if not top of mains he is directly second. Anders originally came from Awakening and if is the only reason Anders is in DA2. The only emotional attachment towards Anders for me is him in Awakening not DA2 (but that last bit is personal opinion nothing more).

 

Its been awhile since I played Awakenings, can't you kill or get rid of anders in awakening?

I wish I had that option in DA2.

[Dragoonlordz]

neppakyo wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

No offense or anything but DA2 companions IS awakening game play mechanics, it's a direct clone of it in fact.

Awakening: Cant talk to companions outside of quest hand me downs at (x) points in time.
Dragon Age 2: Cant talk to companions outside of quest hand me downs at (x) points in time

On top of that the main character in DA2 is not Hawke in reality it's Anders, if not top of mains he is directly second. Anders originally came from Awakening and if is the only reason Anders is in DA2. The only emotional attachment towards Anders for me is him in Awakening not DA2 (but that last bit is personal opinion nothing more).

 

Its been awhile since I played Awakenings, can't you kill or get rid of anders in awakening?

I wish I had that option in DA2.

Not that I remember, even though played it right before DA2 release to finish off few more imports (what waste of time that was in the end) but I always made him a warden now in retrospect I wish I had tried to kill him off not that Bioware would let that effect DA2 of course. 

The sooner Bioware ditch the 'framed narrative' concept and go back to what made their previous titles truly epic, customisation (personal opinion), cause/*effect* + choice/*consequence* + other things the happier I will be. DA2 as trying something new I can forgive in the long run but don't expect me to rate it highly because out of all titles they have made it's the least enjoyable (for me) and if DA3 or ME3 takes this route then I will spend my money elsewhere because they will have turned into something I don't want to buy simple as that. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2011 - 03:16 .

[UncleScrooge]

Awakening in a North Korean torture chamber getting waterboarded is better than Dragon Age 2.

[LadyJaneGrey]

neppakyo wrote...
Its been awhile since I played Awakenings, can't you kill or get rid of anders in awakening?  I wish I had that option in DA2.

He can allegedly die in the battle for Vigil's Keep.

[neppakyo]

I wish he did. Anders is one of the worst characters in DA2..