Seriously, I've played through the game a couple of times, but every time I get to the part where Hawke's mother has fallen victim to the serial killer (or whatever he's called), I'm just a bit disturbed. It just so random and wrong.
Is there a way to prevent this? I thought by alternating the events at the mansion in hightown (Mr.Dubious) I could save her. Hawke's life is so depressing.
Hawke's mother....wtf!?
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#2
Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:09
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No. The devs apparently had one, but they took it out cause I guess it wasn't dramatic enough. I hate it. I'm currently in Act 2 and I don't want to do this quest again.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:11
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Sadly, no. Doing something different with Gascard DuSillyname only limits your options later. You have a better chance of going through the Deep Roads without Bartrand leaving you to die.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:14
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I agree. Not only does it seem forced, but it serves basically no purpose in the overall storyline. Carver's death served a purpose and has lasting impact for Hawke and his family - Leandra's death however, was dropped immediately after completing the quest.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:15
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Nope.
Devs decided the game needed MamaHawke to die. So they took out the option to save her.
Sad, but true.
Devs decided the game needed MamaHawke to die. So they took out the option to save her.
Sad, but true.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:16
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haha, yeah, I do wish there was some alternate way to do that (along with a few other places in the story). Like, maybe he manages to save her, or manages to get the killer much earlier, but he had to do something pretty dastardly first, and despite saving her, his mom gets mad at him and leaves or something. Keeps the dramatic effect to a point while ensuring the mother survives.
But yah, Hawke's life is pretty depressing all things considered. Of course, any of the Warden origins were pretty depressing too, except maybe the Dalish Elf one (it's the only one I couldnt' really get behind).
But yah, Hawke's life is pretty depressing all things considered. Of course, any of the Warden origins were pretty depressing too, except maybe the Dalish Elf one (it's the only one I couldnt' really get behind).
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:17
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Just skip all the dialogue and rush through to the end... that's what I do. It's a very annoying quest that was only done for shock value. Removing the ability to alter the outcome, when they'd already created the option, is nonsensical. I just pretend she was simply murdered... all that Frankenstein crap was garbage.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:20
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EthanDirtch wrote...
]But yah, Hawke's life is pretty depressing all things considered. Of course, any of the Warden origins were pretty depressing too, except maybe the Dalish Elf one (it's the only one I couldnt' really get behind).
All the Wardens have to be brought to the same point. So while the Noble Origins start with a family member (or all of them) dead, and you on the run, there's also the City Elf slaughtering their way through a mansion, and getting off scot free, and the Dwarf Commoner making a mockery of ancient traditions, and killing their boss.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:21
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haha, yeah, I do kinda agree it was forced. The story thread for it started too small and irrelevant, that the fact Leandra ended up meeting the fate she did was kinda out of nowhere. There really wasn't much precedent for it, and just kinda forced on us that Hawke is cursed, with his whole family dying or one of them being forced to live elsewhere (at least, until the very end).
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:24
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GSSAGE7 wrote...
EthanDirtch wrote...
]But yah, Hawke's life is pretty depressing all things considered. Of course, any of the Warden origins were pretty depressing too, except maybe the Dalish Elf one (it's the only one I couldnt' really get behind).
All the Wardens have to be brought to the same point. So while the Noble Origins start with a family member (or all of them) dead, and you on the run, there's also the City Elf slaughtering their way through a mansion, and getting off scot free, and the Dwarf Commoner making a mockery of ancient traditions, and killing their boss.
Well, yes, I was just pointing out that--looking at both their lives in its current totality--Hawke and the Warden have depressing lives.
Just that the Warden's depressing life was played out better, while Hawke's mother getting killed didn't really matter much in the grand scheme of the DA2 storyline.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:25
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It did remind me of the Skin Dancer murders in BG2 though more personal for Hawke with the mother angle (and no restoration spell to save Leandra in this one)
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:28
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The upcoming "Kirkwall Happy City" DLC will allow for more pleasant resolutions to many of the game's more troubling quests.
For the low price of $34.99, you will be able to enjoy many happier consequences, like enjoying a playthrough in which all three Hawke siblings survive the prologue, Gamlen is a fine upstanding noble citizen who never needed to sell his father's estates, and Leandra is never the victim of some cheesy horror movie plot.
Why side with the mages or templars when you can unite them both in a cheery grand musical number sealed with a saucy kiss between Orsino and Meredith!?!
For the low price of $34.99, you will be able to enjoy many happier consequences, like enjoying a playthrough in which all three Hawke siblings survive the prologue, Gamlen is a fine upstanding noble citizen who never needed to sell his father's estates, and Leandra is never the victim of some cheesy horror movie plot.
Why side with the mages or templars when you can unite them both in a cheery grand musical number sealed with a saucy kiss between Orsino and Meredith!?!
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:31
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Nukenin wrote...
The upcoming "Kirkwall Happy City" DLC will allow for more pleasant resolutions to many of the game's more troubling quests.
For the low price of $34.99, you will be able to enjoy many happier consequences, like enjoying a playthrough in which all three Hawke siblings survive the prologue, Gamlen is a fine upstanding noble citizen who never needed to sell his father's estates, and Leandra is never the victim of some cheesy horror movie plot.
Why side with the mages or templars when you can unite them both in a cheery grand musical number sealed with a saucy kiss between Orsino and Meredith!?!
I don't want to unite the mages and templars - I just want to kill Meredtih, butcher Orsino, and take over myself.
Likewise, I don't mind that MamaHawke dies, I can just do without the Frankenstein bit.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 12:32
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Nukenin wrote...
Why side with the mages or templars when you can unite them both in a cheery grand musical number sealed with a saucy kiss between Orsino and Meredith!?!
I knew it, it's all went to hell because those two just couldn't admit their feelings for each other
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 02:53
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I liked that you couldn't save her, of course I tried letting Gascard go the second time I played and justified my choice to kill him the first time. Even if he hadn't been involved in the murders, he was a dastardly blood mage summoning demons and deserved to die!
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 05:09
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EthanDirtch wrote...
Of course, any of the Warden origins were pretty depressing too, except maybe the Dalish Elf one (it's the only one I couldnt' really get behind).
They made sure to make the Dalish origins a downer too though in DA2, by having the whole clan of the Dalish Warden get slaughtered.
Honestly, I kept thinking Buffy the Vampire Slayer heavily influenced the writers. You knew that if anyone good and decent showed up, they were fodder for some pending atrocity, heh.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 05:10
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David Gaider is a Joss Whedon fan, I believe..
Oh and you don't *have* to kill Merril's clan if you have Hawke take responsiblity.
Oh and you don't *have* to kill Merril's clan if you have Hawke take responsiblity.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 05:26
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The mothers death was brought on by Orsino - he's the one that supplies the lore to the Blood Mage to be able to piece together the Frankenstien/Zombie. It's suppose to clutter the issue more I believe.
And I'm very surprised at the lack of comments about this part of that crappy quest.
And I'm very surprised at the lack of comments about this part of that crappy quest.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 05:36
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BioWare is worse than Disney. Disney usually just kills off one or both parents. BioWare tries to wipe out your entire family 
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 05:46
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Actually, I am not surprised. I have heard of things like this happening in the middle ages from different books and articles that I have read. Especially in instances where Popes have dug up corpses of "sinners" and then retried them to prove a point.
Also, there is a rather disturbing trend of people being abducted and murdered on video to be shared with the world, a very sick group at that. I think this plot was a bit of link to the sick underbelly of Kirkwall, or our own reality. Yes, I would love to have the option to at least get the rescue in, but I think the Champions rise to fame is very akin to many a greek tragedy.
Also, there is a rather disturbing trend of people being abducted and murdered on video to be shared with the world, a very sick group at that. I think this plot was a bit of link to the sick underbelly of Kirkwall, or our own reality. Yes, I would love to have the option to at least get the rescue in, but I think the Champions rise to fame is very akin to many a greek tragedy.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 06:07
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Icy Magebane wrote...
Just skip all the dialogue and rush through to the end... that's what I do. It's a very annoying quest that was only done for shock value. Removing the ability to alter the outcome, when they'd already created the option, is nonsensical. I just pretend she was simply murdered... all that Frankenstein crap was garbage.
Wouldn't it be nice if the debug console let you set that quest as finished like it does most main story plots? =/
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 06:17
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What I find interesting about this quest is people's reaction to it. Like, complaining that they couldn't prevent it. Perhaps that's the point? Just like in real life, you can't control everything. Crime happens. Not just to the poor peons who you occasionally help out by slaughtering their enemies, but it happens to you to; not even the mighty Champion of Kirkwall is immune to the vagaries of fate. And really, what fun would a game be if you determined every outcome?
Of course Bioware used the death of your mother for shock value; most people would find their mother's murder shocking. Not to mention vivisection. I have yet to find, in any Bioware game, a more disturbing quest then in Baldur's Gate 2, with the little boy in the cemetary....
Of course Bioware used the death of your mother for shock value; most people would find their mother's murder shocking. Not to mention vivisection. I have yet to find, in any Bioware game, a more disturbing quest then in Baldur's Gate 2, with the little boy in the cemetary....
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 06:24
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Sabariel wrote...
BioWare is worse than Disney. Disney usually just kills off one or both parents. BioWare tries to wipe out your entire family
*snort!*
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 06:49
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Leandra is this game's Gwen Stacy. Right down to the white hair.
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Posté 30 mars 2011 - 06:51
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This quest felt personally inevitable and pointless. I wasn't enraged at Orsino for knowing about the act and doing nothing. In fact, as soon as I saw the "-O" signature my first guess was Orsino. It isn't like we didn't already have enough examples (the entire game) of how terrible mages could become, which appeared to ultimately be the implied point of this quest.
Overall, not effective in anything but being creepy (again, personally). I would have really preferred that there were more options to how it plays out--even if Leandra still has to pointlessly die. My only reaction is really just grabbing my neck and going, "ugh!" I also get that same reaction to Isabela's friend Martin in the tavern though, so that was nothing new.
Overall, not effective in anything but being creepy (again, personally). I would have really preferred that there were more options to how it plays out--even if Leandra still has to pointlessly die. My only reaction is really just grabbing my neck and going, "ugh!" I also get that same reaction to Isabela's friend Martin in the tavern though, so that was nothing new.
