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[Harbringer 2.0]

[quote]SandTrout wrote...
By pointing out flaws in their reasoning, I am inherently inviting them to explain themselves better if there was something I missed or have not made the appropriate logical connection on. In this specific case, I did not accept their logical connections as being valid, and they failed to present evidence that would compel me to change my assessment.
[quote]

I love when people do that to me. Seriously, I know that I'm not so good at explaining my ideas. So I like to discuss.

[KevShep]

SandTrout wrote...

You acted on assumption based on reasonable logic! this IS the wrong thing to do. If you assumed based on reasonable logic then thats good...but its when you acted that made you illogical because you acted without all the facts. Point is dont assume that anyone is anything because you might have been unjust to that person.

I must base my actions on something, and barring evidence, reasonable assumptions are all that there is. It is by no means my preferred means of rendering judgement, but I believe that I gave adequate opportunity for you to explain yourself more clearly before implying a lack of aptitude on your part, and then the lack of aptitude I was implying was in regards to your ability to express yourself in a written format, which you admitted explicitly before my rude comment (sorry about that, I did come off as snotty).

My contention with your theory was that I could find fairly serious flaws, and you were not able to adequately argue against the flaws that I pointed out, and you kept citing evidence which was highly questionable in its nature with regard to how it was relevant to the argument.

Thank you for saying that. My theory does have serious flaws because its a theory based on all three games and one of them (the one with the big spoilers) is not out yet. Most people in the forums have made theories based on only ME1 and ME2 and not the thrid one, mine includes the third one. So on my part I did explane my theory clear as day, I just cant give the facts to my theory on the third one so I gave you facts to the first two and then clues to how I think the thrid one will play out. As I have clearly stated above in the thread that most of my clues to the spoilers in ME3 are from a cross examination of whats said at E3, GI mag, demos and whats in ME1 and ME2. I cross examine this and I came up with this so as of yet there is just no hard facts about my BIG statment (sort of) because the last game (the one with the big spoiler) is not here yet. The first two have enough info in them that it DOES give you insight into what that spoiler might be what ever the spoiler is, so when the big moment comes in ME3 it can be linked to the other two games. If its linked then the evidence IS there in ME1 and ME2!

Modifié par KevShep, 23 juin 2011 - 10:22 .

[ThePwener]

People always associate the Reapers with the humas when there is enough evidence in ME1 to defuse said theories.

[whywhywhywhy]

100k, That's one point that makes sense which I have never considered before, who knows what is out in darkspace.

ThePwener wrote...

People always associate the Reapers
with the humas when there is enough evidence in ME1 to defuse said
theories.

Can you eaborate ?

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 24 juin 2011 - 04:04 .

[whywhywhywhy]

SandTrout wrote...
a bunch of irrelevant thing as he tries to tap dance around the issues

So I'll just respond with this and leave it alone:

As far as your definition of a intellectual I have it exactly right because you assume that he/she would have time to learn the language.  If you cannot establish the most basic of communication whose to say that tribe won't see you as a threat and kill you ?  Most would not let you linger around you'd be killed or forced to leave and unless your some type of survival expert you die.  Period. 

In the event they are peaceful I quote you

"Logic, reason, and language are not differences in opinion, they are the
basis for any kind of meaningful discussion. Without them, you just
have trolls and flame wars.
".


Without use of their language how can you ascertain if they have Reason or logic ?  These are the things you said were a basis for communication.  What do you do ?

"Lack of proper use of reason, logic, and language implies lack of
intellect, though they are not necessarily always linked. However, why
should I assume that someone who cannot properly express themselves in a
written format is smarter than I am because I cannot understand their
logic?"

A tribe out in the middle of nowhere may do things that seem to lack reason, logic and the grunts and sounds may sound primitive is that a indication of intellect.  What do you do then ?  What if they become hostile ?  Better yet what if you placed somone similiar to our pretend tribe in a major city, you bump into this person they are grunting at you, what do you do ? (note I will play the role of the grunter)

As far as english I said "No single correct form of english exists you'd be foolish to try and
continue and argue this point" You have yet to dispprove thise but went on to say something interesting:

"The problem was not one of dialect, but of grammatical form, which
nearly all dialects of English share,"
If this is true, does'nt it prove my point ?

"and of those that differ somewhat,
none of those were being used."
Do you know the op ? Where he is from ?  If english is his first language ?


whywhywhywhy

[100k]

SandTrout wrote...

100k's post was constructed in a much more comprehensible manner. Even though some of his logical leaps seem to be a bit of a stretch to me, nothing contradicted existing evidence.

The only major part of his hypothetical timeline that I take issue with is the following:

Using the Collectors (plus a Reaper) as patrols for the galaxy during their long hibernation period paid off fairly soon. A Reaper or Collector vessel discovered the Rachni, a fairly advanced insect species with a hive mentality. The Reapers weren't ready for another cycle war, but the Rachni had to be dealt with. The Collectors discovered a way for the Reapers to control the Rachni. By instilling a sleeper agent Rachni queen, the Old machines watched as they made contact with the Salarians, and then initiated an attack. This created the Rachni Wars.

It does not necessarily follow that there would be any preparations that the Reapers could be conducting in Dark Space. By its very nature, Dark Space is devoid of resources that the Reapers might use to repair or replenish. The far more reasonable path for the Reapers to take would be to replenish their resources while they are still in the galaxy after each purge. It is difficult to believe that there was something that the Reapers couldn't finish in preparation for the next cycle in 49k years, as opposed to 50k.

After the Cycle Wars, the Reapers replenish their resources via the planet sized super stations. They then simply jump into dark space via Mass Relays, go into hibernation while maintaining minimal functions that are probably more instinctual in nature than intellectual.

When they indoctrinated the Rachni queens, the Reapers had already built the Citadel. The Asari, (Turians?) and Salarians were still primitive compared to the Rachni in expansive space travel. These three races had reached the Citadel, and were uploading their valuable information, which the Reaper's Rachni then used to coordinate crippling attacks. If anything, the Rachni War was just a way for the Reapers to delay the Council races technological advancements just a few more thousand years. By doing so, they  could get rid of a pesky and fast adapting race like the Rachni, and ensure that the Council races were kept clueless, without ever having to send in Nazara. 

[KevShep]

whywhywhywhy wrote...


"Lack of proper use of reason, logic, and language implies lack of
intellect, though they are not necessarily always linked. However, why
should I assume that someone who cannot properly express themselves in a
written format is smarter than I am because I cannot understand their
logic?"

 


whywhywhywhy

Thank you.

Modifié par KevShep, 24 juin 2011 - 07:42 .

[KevShep]

100k wrote...

When they indoctrinated the Rachni queens, the Reapers had already built the Citadel. The Asari, (Turians?) and Salarians were still primitive compared to the Rachni in expansive space travel. These three races had reached the Citadel, and were uploading their valuable information, which the Reaper's Rachni then used to coordinate crippling attacks. If anything, the Rachni War was just a way for the Reapers to delay the Council races technological advancements just a few more thousand years. By doing so, they  could get rid of a pesky and fast adapting race like the Rachni, and ensure that the Council races were kept clueless, without ever having to send in Nazara. 

Sovereign might have been useing the rachni to kill off all the other races it did not want before the other reapers arrived. Krogan stopped them and I bet that sovereign was then going to ues them but the salarians kicked in the genophage, so sovereign stopped trying to kill them all and use the geth to just open the relay. I dont think sovereign was a very good reaper and had no luck at all! Epic Fail!!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par KevShep, 24 juin 2011 - 07:45 .

[Harbringer 2.0]

I myself see the Reapers as not, evil. But more so abstract that we can't understand them. They harvest us, our technology and they make some of us to Reapers. Or, they maybe is a race that has transended to the next step on the evolutionary tree, and is doing what we live for; to breed.
That's what our goal in life is. The get offspring, to ensure our species survival. Might seem strange for giant eternal cyborgs, but hey, I'm open for critic.

Modifié par Harbringer 2.0, 26 juin 2011 - 09:41 .

[100k]

Sorry to drag this whole thing back, but I am now convinced that my theory is at least some what correct.

In the final conversation with Legion, Shepard is informed that the Geth are creating a superstructure of unparalleled intelligence. When Shepard tells Legion that it sounds a lot like a Reaper, Legion responds by saying that Reapers are the ultimate fate of organics, likely.

Sounds like organics are doomed to cross a Reaper-like bridge eventually.

[Harbringer 2.0]

100k wrote...

Sorry to drag this whole thing back, but I am now convinced that my theory is at least some what correct.

In the final conversation with Legion, Shepard is informed that the Geth are creating a superstructure of unparalleled intelligence. When Shepard tells Legion that it sounds a lot like a Reaper, Legion responds by saying that Reapers are the ultimate fate of organics, likely.

Sounds like organics are doomed to cross a Reaper-like bridge eventually.

Isn't that what I wrote at the previous post?

[SandTrout]

Harbringer 2.0 wrote...

100k wrote...

Sorry to drag this whole thing back, but I am now convinced that my theory is at least some what correct.

In the final conversation with Legion, Shepard is informed that the Geth are creating a superstructure of unparalleled intelligence. When Shepard tells Legion that it sounds a lot like a Reaper, Legion responds by saying that Reapers are the ultimate fate of organics, likely.

Sounds like organics are doomed to cross a Reaper-like bridge eventually.

Isn't that what I wrote at the previous post?

Actually, that's the generally accepted basis of the Reapers in general.

[KevShep]

The reapers original organic form may have been trying to get rid of the weakness of the organic body and transcend to immortality. This is also a accepted notion about the reapers. The main question that we are all trying to anwser is why are reapers useing organics if they are already super advanced AI's, why do they still need organics? There are not harvesting for the intelligance of the races or for there culture or tech of the races they harvest. We know this because they are looking for something specific in the genetic makeup. The race with the genetic code that they are looking for (maybe more then one race) must have been a super advanced space faring race that is no longer living, one that they need to recreate.

Modifié par KevShep, 28 juin 2011 - 05:44 .

[SandTrout]

They do not need to harvest, not has it ever been implied that they think that they are missing something or have lost something that they are desperately trying to find. The idea that they just needed to recreate something that they lost, genetically, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because they would have kept their genetic records, considering how interested they are in life and all.

They seem to consider the cycle desirable, though, and their adherence to their pattern seems semi-religious to me. They are not harvesting because they will die if they do not; they are harvesting because it is their duty. Remember that these are not pure AIs. Reapers are composite intelligences networked through synthetic hardware. The intelligence itself is not really artificial, only the hardware is.

[KevShep]

SandTrout wrote...

They do not need to harvest, not has it ever been implied that they think that they are missing something or have lost something that they are desperately trying to find. The idea that they just needed to recreate something that they lost, genetically, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because they would have kept their genetic records, considering how interested they are in life and all.

They seem to consider the cycle desirable, though, and their adherence to their pattern seems semi-religious to me. They are not harvesting because they will die if they do not; they are harvesting because it is their duty. Remember that these are not pure AIs. Reapers are composite intelligences networked through synthetic hardware. The intelligence itself is not really artificial, only the hardware is.

Iam assuming that they have kept there genetic records. Sovereign says that they are controlling evolution to prevent the chaos of evolution from taking place so this means that they are looking for something specific. Assuming that they are looking for a long dead race then they would in fact have to recreate that race through evolution becauses there is no other way to do it. I do think your right about the reapers intelligence network, Maybe the hardware IS the problem that they are having because its artificial. That might be why they need organics (or a specific organic).

Modifié par KevShep, 28 juin 2011 - 07:48 .

[SandTrout]

KevShep wrote...

Iam assuming that they have kept there genetic records. Sovereign says that they are controlling evolution to prevent the chaos of evolution from taking place so this means that they are looking for something specific. Assuming that they are looking for a long dead race then they would in fact have to recreate that race through evolution becauses there is no other way to do it. I do think your right about the reapers intelligence network, Maybe the hardware IS the problem that they are having because its artificial. That might be why they need organics (or a specific organic).

o_0 Your train of thought isn't making a whole lot of sense. If the Reapers were looking for something specific, they would be performing experiments and trials, and they would be limiting variables in the experiment to as few as possible. If you're looking for something specific you will control the experiment as tightly as you can. This is not what the Reapers are doing.

Instead, they leave the mass relays and citadels behind, along with a few choice pieces of technology to provide a technological railroad for space-fairing species that happen to evolve and waiting 50k years to see what pops up. The technological railroad of the Relay network is designed to give the Reapers a strategic advantage by allowing them to isolate worlds, as well as ensuring, at least in a loose sense, the kinds of weapons that the galaxy will be utilizing.

The technological railroad that they have provided is a way for them to control our advancement, but only is a very loose manner. They do not appear to be controlling which species achieves space travel, or when they do so. Nor do they attempt to control the social, political, or economic nature of the species that utilize the Relay network.

This kind of method provides extremely varied results within the parameters of the experiment, but the results are also very unreliable toward any particular goal. This implies that the Reapers are more interested in possibilities that they have not considered or do not expect, rather than seeking the solution to a specific problem.

They seem to have standards, about which we know very little other than the fact that biotics seem to be a qualifying atribute, that they appraise whatever species happens to pop up during the cycle by, and if a species meets those standards, a baby Reaper is formed from that species. These standards seem to be loose enough for many past civilizations to have qualified for ascending to Reaper status, and there is no evidence that Humans are somehow distinct from all of the previously harvested species other than the fact that we, with the help of our allies, have a chance of successfully fighting back and stopping the harvest.

[KevShep]

SandTrout wrote...

o_0 Your train of thought isn't making a whole lot of sense. If the Reapers were looking for something specific, they would be performing experiments and trials, and they would be limiting variables in the experiment to as few as possible. If you're looking for something specific you will control the experiment as tightly as you can. This is not what the Reapers are doing.

Instead, they leave the mass relays and citadels behind, along with a few choice pieces of technology to provide a technological railroad for space-fairing species that happen to evolve and waiting 50k years to see what pops up. The technological railroad of the Relay network is designed to give the Reapers a strategic advantage by allowing them to isolate worlds, as well as ensuring, at least in a loose sense, the kinds of weapons that the galaxy will be utilizing.

The technological railroad that they have provided is a way for them to control our advancement, but only is a very loose manner. They do not appear to be controlling which species achieves space travel, or when they do so. Nor do they attempt to control the social, political, or economic nature of the species that utilize the Relay network.

This kind of method provides extremely varied results within the parameters of the experiment, but the results are also very unreliable toward any particular goal. This implies that the Reapers are more interested in possibilities that they have not considered or do not expect, rather than seeking the solution to a specific problem.

They seem to have standards, about which we know very little other than the fact that biotics seem to be a qualifying atribute, that they appraise whatever species happens to pop up during the cycle by, and if a species meets those standards, a baby Reaper is formed from that species. These standards seem to be loose enough for many past civilizations to have qualified for ascending to Reaper status, and there is no evidence that Humans are somehow distinct from all of the previously harvested species other than the fact that we, with the help of our allies, have a chance of successfully fighting back and stopping the harvest.

 
Every race must develop on there own. If a race developes over millions of years with the knowlege of big things in the sky then it would have serious draw backs to there goal of them evolving the way that they need them to . They cant watch it that close without interfering in there evolution, thats where the citadel and the relays come in. They can sit back and save energy with the knowlege that if evolution goes faster then they thought (which is what happend to the protheans) then the reapers still have nothing to worry about because the citadel and the relays are a.....trap! If they introduce the relays and the citadel and make it so no one can figure out how to make one themslves then that allows the reapers to control evolution without being there all the time and possibly undoing there own work, then come back every 50k so that no race evolves faster then needed( protheans likely found there relay shortly after last harvest, gave them more time to study relays and gave us a chance at beating the reapers in the process ).

dark energy (the use of biotic) will play a role in ME3, I dont know what other then the fact that dark energy powers the relays. As far as ascending other races and making them into reapers is not known, only EDI makes that statment and even then she is only..."guessing"....(major story plots are never revealed through a lucky guess in video games) Even EDI herself says that she is only guessing and does not have enough intel. The only race that we know of that is being made into a reaper is a human. The dead reapers core in the gas giant did not have a body of an ascended race so as far as we know its only humans that have been chosen. As for the humans not being distinct from all others...in ME1 one of the back stories is that humans are a jack of all traits this means that they are a dominant race. because of this I dont think that the reapers are instrested in humans because of the battle with sovereign. It was only because of the protheans that we stood a chance and even then we almost failed, So there is another reason why there intrested.

As I have said in an earlier post sovereign and the reapers may have known about humans a long time ago. Sovereign used the rachni to try to kill off all the other races even before humans found there relay, but sovereign failed. That also explains the protheans in sol as not being protheans but collectors studying us...watching us(as stated before in this post about evoluton). Sovereign may have been trying to make the harvest of humans easier with no resistance from non-needed aliens interfering (note that your useing the other races in ME3 do stop them for good this maybe why sovereign was trying to kill them with the rachni to prevent this very thing).

The reapers have to be carefull at what they introduce to a developing race...even that human saw a shiny thing in the sky and almost srcewed up there secrecy. Had humans known for a fact that the reapers existed it could mess up there genetic evolution just enough to produce a bad subject(failed attempt). Notice that other races in Mass Effect share similar features such as the quarians and turians and salarians even krogan as well...all four look like they are cut and paste from each other, even the asari look human. Some races look completely different, its only the ones that share similarities that are the dominant races...coincidence?  The other races that are different from the dominant races maybe nothing more then unexpected species emerging from the reapers laboratory galaxy(milky way) since evolution even in a controlled state is going to have unexpected things happen.

Modifié par KevShep, 29 juin 2011 - 02:52 .

[SandTrout]

The fact that the Reapers wish for life to evolve on its own is precisely why I don't think that Humans are a solution to a specific problem. The parameters of the cycle are not those that one uses in the solution to a problem.

EDI's theory is not a 'lucky guess' per-se. It is an educated guess meant to present the idea clearly to the player. When you consider other details that are not necessarily known to EDI, such as all of the Reapers being subtly unique, along with information about Sovereign from Legion, the theory gains weight.

The development cycle of the Reaper is not fully understood, though we do have strong implications that all Reapers are created from some base organic species. The Derelict Reaper core did not show obvious anatomical traits of its base species, but there were large amounts of Cerberus equipment in that area, as well as the fact that we don't even know what kind of anatomical attributes to look for. If the species was similar to the Rachni or Hanar, we proably wouldn't even notice while fighting off a horde of husks and trying to escape the vessel as it crashed. There wasn't a whole lot of leisure time on-board to look around.

The theory that the caveman vision was of Collectors or Reapers has hardly been established as a solid working foundation, and the evidence that it wasn't the true Protheans is thin at best. Your point actually supports the position that it was the true Protheans that were studying early humans based on the premise that the Reapers do not seem to want to interfere with organic evolution until it is 'ripe'.

As for the shared features of alien races, the fact that the most dominant races are bipedal humanoids is more in line with convergent evolution rather than necessarily genetic engineering on the Reapers' part, although you could call the human/asari resemblance suspicious(and many do). The concept is basically, for a species to become space-fairing, it must be tool-dependent, and therefore have at least 2 appendages free to operate those tools while still maintaining full mobility. Overall, it is probably more of an issue of extended Rubber Forehead Aliens. Aliens that are too alien are difficult to take seriously as characters.

[KevShep]

Even though they control evolution they still need to take steps to control it that means that they do have to go to the worlds that they are experimenting on to do that, thats where the collectors come in, how ever they must tread carefully as to not disturb there evolution.They must maintain current projects in the galaxy. In the vision the human is planted with something in his neck, I dont know what that is for, maybe surveillance or something to infuse into the human. The reaper that is left behind is left in charge of the galaxy so it makes sense to observe the current progress of there work and if need be to change something and they use the collectors to do it. There is nothing at all to suggest that they are the real protheans either, in fact its left open which is suspicious to me.

That also still leaves the question why did sovereign attempt to kill off all the known races of the galaxy with the rachni? Are NO other races worthy of transending? What of the asari? Asari are the most biotic of any kind and one of the most intelligent races and so are the salarians minis the pure biotics. The protheans did not transend either and they built a relay. If they are looking for genetic diversity then they dont need one race they could just take all of the best traits in all of the races and combined them into one, how ever we know that thats not the case because sovereign tried to kill them off before the invasion. This means that they are looking for a specific race and it also means that they are not looking for genetic diversity as stated in last sentance. I imagine that because reapers are in fact an anicent race(as stated by Bioware as a fact in there ME3 game info) then that race must have been an absolutely dominant race with all the best traits and must have been genetically diverse (to have the best traits they...would...have to be genetically diverse). This sounds a lot like humans to me. There not interested in diverse genetics for any race other then the one that they are specificlly looking for(reasons are stated above in paragraph).

As far as what your saying about rubber forehead alien thing I agree with you. Bioware does a good job of a least explaining why the weird aliens look the way they do. The thing that gets me though is that all the best races with the best traits really do look copy and paste as with the turians/salarians/quarians/krogan, and then humans/batarians/asari. If they are in fact trying to remake a race then it would make sense that the failed attempts would look copy and paste...it was one of the first things I notied in ME1 that was unusual and they also just happen to ALL be the dominant races of the galaxy. I also understand about evolution and how intelligent races evolve but the features of the races I mentioned are just to uncanny.

Like I said about EDIs assumption of the human reaper, in video games every time someone give a guess and then says that they are not sure about the guess they just made then thats a way that the devs can feed the player a line without giving the real reason why. that way when they say the real reason or spoiler that is contradicting to what was said earlier the devs then can say that that person stated that they were just guessing.

Its also obvious that humans will play a center role in ME3 and I think that Bioware just might have a shocker in store as stated by bioware in reguards to the "closely guared secret of Bioware" when GI asked the question about why cerberus is working for the reapers.

Modifié par KevShep, 30 juin 2011 - 12:28 .

[Lapis Lazuli]

Remember also that Mordin said Humans are set apart from everyone else: more genetic diversity and genetic outliers. Humans have a huge genetic variation between individuals.

[KevShep]

Lapis Lazuli wrote...

Remember also that Mordin said Humans are set apart from everyone else: more genetic diversity and genetic outliers. Humans have a huge genetic variation between individuals.

If my theory is right then what you mentioned might be why the reapers are having such a hard time recreating there lost race. All of there experiments in the galaxy and through out time are almost right but not perfect. This could be why its not only taking so long but also why its very very very hard to duplicate another race exactly as it was through evolution. 

The reapers themselves are individuals each a nation and they are independent...something that is rare with AI's. The reapers work together but they are not exactly a hive mind because they are individuals, this points to there organic origin. Legion mentions that one reaper is like many minds(like the geth) but these minds may not be the actuall reaper. These many minds maybe a lot of AI's wired together like a hive mind and controled by the main user and in this case the user is an organic, That organic in my theory used indoctrination as a tool not to brainwash but integrate itself into the AI's and in fact became immortal. We know that through indoctrination that the subjects thoughts are integrated in to the reaper (the reaper then knows everything about you) but it inevitably kills the subject.

[Harbringer 2.0]

The Reapers internal intellegence works allmost as the geth(Legion) but by having organic software and synthetic hardware. Since a biological brain works through the communication of nerve synapses, one Reaper intellegence could be just one "brain". By using orgainc nerve synapses, the Reaper gains intellegence. This could explain the term: "We are each a nation..."
Possible refering to the billions of organic minds working together as synapses. I don't think any one of thoose "minds" have a though of their own, just as our synapses doesn't have a free will. If so, we wouldn't work.
Its more like a collective-individual hybrid than a hive mind of AI's.
First; an AI needs it s "blue box", second; AI's is a synthetic lifeform, and all lifeforms want to survive. Third; Why would you waste resources to make your enemy dominant, since you say, that the AI had taken over the organic part.

[KevShep]

Harbringer 2.0 wrote...

The Reapers internal intellegence works allmost as the geth(Legion) but by having organic software and synthetic hardware. Since a biological brain works through the communication of nerve synapses, one Reaper intellegence could be just one "brain". By using orgainc nerve synapses, the Reaper gains intellegence. This could explain the term: "We are each a nation..."
Possible refering to the billions of organic minds working together as synapses. I don't think any one of thoose "minds" have a though of their own, just as our synapses doesn't have a free will. If so, we wouldn't work.
Its more like a collective-individual hybrid than a hive mind of AI's.
First; an AI needs it s "blue box", second; AI's is a synthetic lifeform, and all lifeforms want to survive. Third; Why would you waste resources to make your enemy dominant, since you say, that the AI had taken over the organic part.

Hardringer 2.0 wrote... "Why would you waste resources to make your enemy dominant, since you say, that the AI had taken over the organic part".   The organics are not there enemys (as stated by pual grayson in Retribution when he was in control by the reapers) but because the organics do not understand there motives the reapers put in place the relays and the citadel as a trap so even if they rise against the reapers the organics will fall. The AI did not take over the organic part completely the organic is still in control but is traped by the AI like in project overlord where the same thing happend.  

The reapers are creating the organics by controling evolution and in doing so they are making them dominant so to prevent them from getting too powerfull they use the relays and citadel so the reapers stay on top. Here is the thing though...because the reapers are coming back every 50k this means that  they do NEED organics other wise there is no reason to risk the organics finding out about them and stopping them.   What I am saying is they are AI's and they are organics (which ever part that is) and they are looking for some kind of organic so there must be a connection between there AI and the organic that is not working correctly, like they may have a problem with the connection from organic to synthetic(problem with indoctrination into AI) hardware because there not coming to the galaxy every 50k just for fun...there taking a big risk by doing what there doing so there is a really big reason why there doing this.....something is wrong with them.   

Modifié par KevShep, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:54 .

[Lapis Lazuli]

All I know is, when they finally explain all this stuff, it better not drift into any of the well-traveled territory of The Architect's speech in Matrix Reloaded about the endless cycles of destruction and how humans are a Neo-like anomaly.

[Augustei]

An interesting theory, although humans aren't billions of years old like the reapers but maybe something along the lines of EVE's story could share elements with your theory and ME's story if your theory is true.

In Eve humans discovered space flight and then eventually came across a worm hole which lead to a very distant system / galaxy.. Worm holes in some science fiction can even transcend time. So maybe things went along with the current or a similar timeline, humans went through the worm hole and like in EVE the worm hole eventually and unexpectedly closed

But these humans when travelling through the worm hole across a massive distance also travelled across time to the early stages of the galexy.. There humans mastered technology and tried to intergrate themselves with a VI... and then your theory plays out.. I actually wouldn't mind if something like this happened, twould be cool