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[Asdara]

 Spoiler warning was in the title guys, last call.


Ok - I'm sure other people have played pro-templar enough (other than me this round) to get the "Best Served Cold" quest from Meredith instead of Orsino - her story about her sister being a mage and what happened with that really gave her character another dimension for me this evening.  Everyone is talking about her and the crazy crazy zealotry... but she's not as crazy sounding if you play it pro-Circle/Templar and I am really impressed with the writing that gives you different impressions of the people in the story based on choices - and the complaints that choices don't matter seem to ring a little less resoundingly after a few play throughs with different attitudes.  It seems consistency in your Hawke does have some serious twists on how you're going to see the story play out.

Anyway, thought I'd share - it's worth multiple plays to get the "whole" story it seems after all.

[TJPags]

Asdara wrote...

 Spoiler warning was in the title guys, last call.


Ok - I'm sure other people have played pro-templar enough (other than me this round) to get the "Best Served Cold" quest from Meredith instead of Orsino - her story about her sister being a mage and what happened with that really gave her character another dimension for me this evening.  Everyone is talking about her and the crazy crazy zealotry... but she's not as crazy sounding if you play it pro-Circle/Templar and I am really impressed with the writing that gives you different impressions of the people in the story based on choices - and the complaints that choices don't matter seem to ring a little less resoundingly after a few play throughs with different attitudes.  It seems consistency in your Hawke does have some serious twists on how you're going to see the story play out.

Anyway, thought I'd share - it's worth multiple plays to get the "whole" story it seems after all.

She didn't seem crazy to me in the beginning.

All she was doing was cracking down on the mages.  Considering that every mage we see is a blood mage, an abomination, or both . . . she has reason to do so.

[The Angry One]

Meredith and Orsino are both impressive, nuanced, well designed and well acted characters who sadly get twisted into monsters because the plot demands EPIC BOSS FIGHTS and that everybody die pointlessly.

[Icy Magebane]

I agree with this. I just finished a Templar run, and it was just as satisfying as playing as a mage-supporting blood mage. Meredith's concerns are realistic until that damned idol starts influencing her... such a shame. At this point I'm going to have to say that this game was well-written. Depending on the player's mindset, the narrative can be seen in a multitude of ways, all of which are rich with depth. It's impressive actually, because my initial reaction to the game wasn't nearly as positive... it really does grow on you over time. Or at least, it can.

As a Templar, I felt kinship with Meredith, and gladly carried out her orders... It was an honor to wear the armor of the Templars and support them every step of the way. Heh... a far cry from my first playthrough, that's for sure.

[PantheraOnca]

Hm, when do you get this info? I played pro-templar on my second playthrough and didnt get this, but i didnt' do a whole lot of investigate options with her.

[Asdara]

I got this with the "Best Served Cold" ? response "So you really hate mages?" or something like that. Story was actually pretty moving.

And @ Icy, yeah I wore the Templar suit until I completed my Champion gear set entirely... still might prefer the Templar look what with my specialization tree and general story for this character.

[Kenshen]

Curious do you have to be pro templar from the very begining or can I get away with becoming one at the start of act 2?

[langelog]

Yeah when Meredith opened up to my Templar Hawke about the origin of her mage hatred, he mistook the touching moment for a signal and got slapped. lol

[Whailor]

Don't care about personal stories, I just hate zealots no matter what is their excuse of becoming one.

[skcih-deraj]

Who else noticed Meredith's sword at the end of the game kina looked like soul edge from Namco's Soul Calibur series? I didn't even think about it at first then my little brother who was watching commented on it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Angry One wrote...

Meredith and Orsino are both impressive, nuanced, well designed and well acted characters who sadly get twisted into monsters because the plot demands EPIC BOSS FIGHTS and that everybody die pointlessly.

/signed

[b0ksah]

The Angry One wrote...

Meredith and Orsino are both impressive, nuanced, well designed and well acted characters who sadly get twisted into monsters because the plot demands EPIC BOSS FIGHTS and that everybody die pointlessly.

Yeah +1 ... tsk :wizard:

[MattLJMorr]

Merediths' sword would be epic to have. To bad it got destroyed and now it seems that its impossible to get it in any further expansions!

[Elessie]

Even as pro-mage she doesn't come across as a lunatic until after Anders does his thing. She seems sincere when she says stuff like "I know, and it breaks my heart to do it, but we must be vigilant." Not that I would support some of the things she does, but she's only human and basically has an impossible job.

Then she suddenly turns into a crazy person. Sigh.

[jds1bio]

The Angry One wrote...

Meredith and Orsino are both impressive, nuanced, well designed and well acted characters who sadly get twisted into monsters because the plot demands EPIC BOSS FIGHTS and that everybody die pointlessly.

I thought this was worth posting again because I agree.  It does seem that Act III starts out in earnest to bring your
templar/mage choices to consequence.  But then when Anders does his thing it falls apart.

Modifié par jds1bio, 17 avril 2011 - 03:18 .

[HighMoon]

I know. It's kind of sad. She could have been a great character, almost like the Loghain of DA2. I think if it wasn't for the lyrium idol she could have eventually been persuaded to see reason.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 17 avril 2011 - 04:00 .

[hoorayforicecream]

aryon69 wrote...

Curious do you have to be pro templar from the very begining or can I get away with becoming one at the start of act 2?

You can do whatever you like in acts 1 and 2, as long as you side with Meredith at the very beginning of Act 3 where Orsino is giving his speech in Hightown. On a side note, siding with Meredith gets you some templar armor and another templar quest, while siding with Orsino gets you a robe and a quest from some nobles.

[Peer of the Empire]

She has some great speeches.

And I was amazed when she first appeared during the qunari attack.

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 17 avril 2011 - 06:07 .

[oldakhippie]

kk, this is my 2nd run thur as a rogue, and I still can't beat Meredith in the end battle, any suggestions? As to the main topic, I agree with everyone about the writing and such an now having heard everyone's feelings on the matter, it makes me want to a 3rd run an side with the templars just to see what happens. But I gotta get thur the game at least once b4 I do that. So I's be greatful for any help geting past the meredith battle.

[Sepewrath]

Who do you have in your party, what is your build looking like? Not knowing any of that, best I could say is debuff her as best as you can, keep her locked on Aveline, use Haste to speed up your rogue and attack Meredith's flank, when the statues come out, let your mages use AoE's on them, while you continue to attack from behind, of course make use of CCC whenever you can. If all else fails, lower the difficulty.

[Xilizhra]

I would like to hear this story, but I can't suppress my disgust long enough to make the requisite decisions. Oh well.

Meredith is a genuinely tragic figure and I feel for her. I blame Elthina more for her state than Meredith herself, as Elthina somehow thought it was a good idea for someone with such a traumatic personal history to be put in charge of safeguarding all mages...

[Sepewrath]

Well she was fine until she got that sword, as you can see, even to the very end she was doubting her actions, seemingly fighting herself. I think a person with a past like hers is a great fit, they can appreciate both sides of the coin; people's reluctance to turn over their family and the dangers of not doing so. Whereas just some random Templar guy, would be "Give me your kid or else" or they could be too sympathetic, having not seen what can go wrong.

Modifié par Sepewrath, 13 août 2011 - 01:00 .

[Xilizhra]

Meredith was horrible even before the sword; the sword just made her turn on her own templars and see blood magic literally everywhere. She seems to be obsessed with protecting mages from themselves and protecting others from mages, in a rather twisted sense trying to make up for failing her sister, but badly overcompensating. Her stake in this is far too personal.

[EmperorSahlertz]

She was tough, not horrible. THe mages in Kirkwall required a tough Knight-Commander, otherwise the Circle would break down. Sadly, with Hawke added to the mixture, it all blew up anyway.

[Sepewrath]

Where do you get she was horrible before the sword? That's a baseless assumption, as we can only account for what was happening there from Act 1(where we got limited info on her) and beyond, post sword.