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[Fieryeel]

We need a villain without redemming qualities or reasoning. We need a villain who's evil because he/she can be. We need a villain who eats children and baths in the blood of virgins or something similar, who's got some evil plan to conquer the entire world.

Archdemon fitted a little into this category, problem was that he was so detached from us...we only saw him duing Deep Roads, and final quest.

Loghain was nowhere near. He seemed an enormous ****, but in the end, he was really trying to protect Fereldan.

The Mother was close, but one couldn't blame her as she was practically insane, and who could blame her? Having developed sentience again after turning into a Broodmother.

Arishok, Orsino, Meredith all had their reasonings, and one could even sympathize with them.

We really need a villain whos the "Muahhahahha I am evil because I CAN BE!!! I will destroy your world just for the fun of it!" and whom we can see throughout the game, instead of only during two scenes.

There are complex bosses with deep compelling stories like those of BG2, and there are those simple but horrendously powerful bosses which really makes you wanna wring the life out of.

[The Angry One]

No.

[Pirate JeraldxD]

haha I like the idea. If it's done right.

[MKDAWUSS]

It's called the conclusion of Act III.

[Vicious]

Meredith under evil sword control fits the bill.

And she was the lamest final boss in a Bioware game. No wait, Melissan from Throne of Bhaal was similarly lame. Funny how they look so much alike. Even have similar headdresses.

*pukes*

[Kenshen]

Well too me Petrice was that type. While I doubt she ate children or went bathing in blood she did go to some extreme lengths all for her warped sense of faith. Not really what you want but she showed some promise. By the way that second arrow she caught was an impressive shot.

[The Angry One]

Vicious wrote...

Meredith under evil sword control fits the bill.

And she was the lamest final boss in a Bioware game. No wait, Melissan from Throne of Bhaal was similarly lame. Funny how they look so much alike. Even have similar headdresses.

*pukes*

Sorry, giant Terminator from ME2 wins that title.

[GSSAGE7]

Only platformers have completely evil villains, if they are sentient and sane as main villains now. Now a secondary villain who's a complete monster is completely possible, read: Rendon Howe, Branka, Vaughan, Alrik, ect.

The thing about villains is that we always ask "why?". The more time you see of them, you end up gaining answer to that. The only way to have a main villain who is that completely evil would be either little screen time, make it completely bestial, or completely barking crazy.

[SexBomb]

We need Flemeth.

[Serpieri Nei]

Fieryeel wrote...

We need a villain without redemming qualities or reasoning. We need a villain who's evil because he/she can be. We need a villain who eats children and baths in the blood of virgins or something similar, who's got some evil plan to conquer the entire world.

Archdemon fitted a little into this category, problem was that he was so detached from us...we only saw him duing Deep Roads, and final quest.

Loghain was nowhere near. He seemed an enormous ****, but in the end, he was really trying to protect Fereldan.

The Mother was close, but one couldn't blame her as she was practically insane, and who could blame her? Having developed sentience again after turning into a Broodmother.

Arishok, Orsino, Meredith all had their reasonings, and one could even sympathize with them.

We really need a villain whos the "Muahhahahha I am evil because I CAN BE!!! I will destroy your world just for the fun of it!" and whom we can see throughout the game, instead of only during two scenes.

There are complex bosses with deep compelling stories like those of BG2, and there are those simple but horrendously powerful bosses which really makes you wanna wring the life out of.

Is it me or did he just describe EA?

[Vicious]

Sorry, giant Terminator from ME2 wins that title

You're right, and I loved Mass Effect 2. A large moving firefight involving the entire squad as you ran back to the Normandy would have been better and actually made some freakin sense. But I guess that would have felt too much like the Collector Ship mission, or they said WE NEED A FINAL BOSS!

[The Angry One]

What the OP appears to want is Lavos. However, RPGs have long since moved on from giant doomsday hedgehogs who scream really loudly.
Plus he's 12 years late by now.

[GSSAGE7]

The Angry One wrote...

What the OP appears to want is Lavos. However, RPGs have long since moved on from giant doomsday hedgehogs who scream really loudly.
Plus he's 12 years late by now.

Actually, there are people who try to analyze Lavos's ethics, and some have even said he's just a slave to his instincts, like the archdemon. So he wouldn't count anyway.

[The Angry One]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What the OP appears to want is Lavos. However, RPGs have long since moved on from giant doomsday hedgehogs who scream really loudly.
Plus he's 12 years late by now.

Actually, there are people who try to analyze Lavos's ethics, and some have even said he's just a slave to his instincts, like the archdemon. So he wouldn't count anyway.

Yes, I call those people nerds.

[ZombiePowered]

OP,
I'm a fan of quality stories, so I'm going to have to go with file:///C:/Users/ZOMBIE%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png

Modifié par ZombiePowered, 30 mars 2011 - 03:46 .

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What the OP appears to want is Lavos. However, RPGs have long since moved on from giant doomsday hedgehogs who scream really loudly.
Plus he's 12 years late by now.

Actually, there are people who try to analyze Lavos's ethics, and some have even said he's just a slave to his instincts, like the archdemon. So he wouldn't count anyway.

Yes, I call those people nerds.

The fact that you're on a bioware game forum discussing how a villain in a future game should be qualifies you there too.

[Icy Magebane]

I'm too used to games where the villains have a reason behind their actions. This is why I don't care for the Joker, so no thanks. That's fine for a mid-boss, like some bandit leader at the end of a quest, but it's too shallow for the main villain.

[The Angry One]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

GSSAGE7 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

What the OP appears to want is Lavos. However, RPGs have long since moved on from giant doomsday hedgehogs who scream really loudly.
Plus he's 12 years late by now.

Actually, there are people who try to analyze Lavos's ethics, and some have even said he's just a slave to his instincts, like the archdemon. So he wouldn't count anyway.

Yes, I call those people nerds.

The fact that you're on a bioware game forum discussing how a villain in a future game should be qualifies you there too.

Yes, so when I call them nerds you know they are nerdy even by nerd standards.

*nods*

[ipgd]

Why would you want this? A completely one-dimensional villain would feel rather out of place in this series. I much prefer it when the bad guys are terrible people instead of just terrible.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Fieryeel wrote...
We need a villain who's evil because he/she can be. We need a villain who eats children and baths in the blood of virgins or something similar, who's got some evil plan to conquer the entire world.

So you're lobbying for the next game to be set in Tevinter?

[GSSAGE7]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...
We need a villain who's evil because he/she can be. We need a villain who eats children and baths in the blood of virgins or something similar, who's got some evil plan to conquer the entire world.

So you're lobbying for the next game to be set in Tevinter?

No, cause then we'll find out that a lot of slavers are giving shelter to the slaves, some of them going "Hey, if they stay with me, then they won't be with the REALLY bad slave owners."

[Lord Atlia]

If done right vile characters can be awesome, think Roose Bolton, Gregor Clegaine, or Vargo Hoat from A Song of Ice and Fire series.

[PantheraOnca]

I want to see whoever is working against Flemeth. I'm pretty sure he/she/it/they, by virtue of counteracting Flemeth, is outside the realm of hero/villian.

Alternatively, a Magneto type villian (before he became hitler-esque), one who's goals you understand and sympathize with but disagree with the means used to obtain them. (I don't think Logain falls in that category, but that's probably for another thread)

[Rifneno]

The Angry One wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Meredith under evil sword control fits the bill.

And she was the lamest final boss in a Bioware game. No wait, Melissan from Throne of Bhaal was similarly lame. Funny how they look so much alike. Even have similar headdresses.

*pukes*

Sorry, giant Terminator from ME2 wins that title.

I really don't understand why that analogy is used so much.  There's a passing resemblence but they're both robots made to look human.  There has to be a resemblence.  Or am I misunderstanding the tone of it?  Is it more of a humorous observation and less of a "gee, what a ripoff" complaint?

Anyway, on topic:  People can come up with justification for any villain.  You can't have a villain that has no justification, especially if you take "just acting on their primal nature/instincts" as a justification.  Even if you had a guy who's trying to take over the world so he can kill 90% of the people just to watch them die and his only hobby is raping baby bunnies, you could still use the "just acting on instinct/nature" excuse.  Because it's not his fault he was born with DNA that made him the worst thing since the plague, right?  Except it doesn't matter.  When someone is a huge detriment to the entire world, they're a purely "bad" villain no matter what.  Loghain would even fall under this category IMO if not for the shocking fact we find out in DA2:  the bastard was right all along about Orlais.