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[fluorine7]

one dimensional characters are BORING. Evil for the sake of being evil is boring.

However, unknown is fun. The reason Joker is a great villain is not because he's evil for the sake of being evil, although he might appears to be such character. The greatest charm of Joker is the unknown, we know very little about him and he's always been unpredictable. We never know what he'd do next, he doesn't have a known purpose (or he exist to torment Batman), he doesn't want to conquer the world, but he never comes out as shallow, because the character is introduced in such way that the reader know there's more to it.

So yeah, if Bioware can pull of a character like the Joker, I won't mind having a villain that's completely chaotic evil. We have too many lawful evil villains.

[Alelsa]

Fieryeel wrote...
Loghain was nowhere near. He seemed an enormous ****, but in the end, he was really trying to protect Fereldan.

Thats actually why Loghain worked well for me.  You're in two minds whether or not to go up against him, rather than it being a cut and dry "Oh, X is evil and has to die".

[Alelsa]

fluorine7 wrote...

So yeah, if Bioware can pull of a character like the Joker, I won't mind having a villain that's completely chaotic evil. We have too many lawful evil villains.

I'd be even happier with chaotic neutral.

[Spartansfan8888]

PantheraOnca wrote...

I want to see whoever is working against Flemeth. I'm pretty sure he/she/it/they, by virtue of counteracting Flemeth, is outside the realm of hero/villian.

Alternatively, a Magneto type villian (before he became hitler-esque), one who's goals you understand and sympathize with but disagree with the means used to obtain them. (I don't think Logain falls in that category, but that's probably for another thread)

I see Anders as that type of villain; the one who says there is no way the common folk will accept us so we must fight violently for our well being because no one else will. There are many similarities between mutants in x men and mages in dragon age. Feared because of what they are and "the cure"/tranquility come to mind first and foremost.

[fluorine7]

Alelsa wrote...

fluorine7 wrote...

So yeah, if Bioware can pull of a character like the Joker, I won't mind having a villain that's completely chaotic evil. We have too many lawful evil villains.

I'd be even happier with chaotic neutral.

Agreed. Chaotic neutral would be more unperdictable, set up a chain of event just to see what's going to happen and how people make choices under extreme circumstances, that would be a great storyline. LOL, it's a social experiment. 

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Modifié par fluorine7, 30 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[GSSAGE7]

Again, it's not like there haven't been downright, no justification evil characters in these games. I challenge you to try and justify Howe's actions.

[The Angry One]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Again, it's not like there haven't been downright, no justification evil characters in these games. I challenge you to try and justify Howe's actions.

Howe gets a pass. He's voiced by Tim Curry. Anybody voiced by Tim Curry must be EVIL. Not his fault.

[Rifneno]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Again, it's not like there haven't been downright, no justification evil characters in these games. I challenge you to try and justify Howe's actions.

He was traumatized over his son's obvious skin deformities?

[Heinrich843]

Really? No one is going to say it?

Fine. I want the Maker as the villain. That bastard needs to pay.

[Talladarr]

No, please, just no. One-dimensional characters, villains especially, are just boring, and ruin a great game. Now, somethign that would be really interesting would be if it SEEMED like the final boss was one dimentional, and the WHOLE game leads up to that fight, and it turnes out that it wasn't the final boss, and just before he dies yo uhear him say "I was just doing what I was told". Then you have to find the mastermind behind it, only to find out the entire situation was experiment to see what would happen.

[The Angry One]

Heinrich843 wrote...

Really? No one is going to say it?

Fine. I want the Maker as the villain. That bastard needs to pay.

There are about 10,000 existing JRPGs where you kill God. Let's be more original.

[Heinrich843]

The Angry One wrote...

Heinrich843 wrote...

Really? No one is going to say it?

Fine. I want the Maker as the villain. That bastard needs to pay.

There are about 10,000 existing JRPGs where you kill God. Let's be more original.

Clearly you were taking me seriously.

[The Angry One]

Heinrich843 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Heinrich843 wrote...

Really? No one is going to say it?

Fine. I want the Maker as the villain. That bastard needs to pay.

There are about 10,000 existing JRPGs where you kill God. Let's be more original.

Clearly you were taking me seriously.

No I just like pointing out that JRPGs have you kill God.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

I want a villain who actually has the balls to physically hound and harrass the protagonist troughout the game. He/she is always there when you least expect him/her to be. Someone who dares to get into the head of the hero and **** with his or her mind. Mercilessly.

The villain should be a brutal, cunning, wild card. He/she is not insane, merely extremely unpredictable. One moment he/she might save you from falling to your death to further his/her own goals. Next time you two meet, the villain will stab you in the eye with a rusty fork.

[The Angry One]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Someone who dares to get into the head of the hero and **** with his or her mind. Mercilessly.

THIS HURTS YOU SHEPARD.

[GSSAGE7]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

One moment he/she might save you from falling to your death to further his/her own goals. Next time you two meet, the villain will stab you in the eye with a rusty fork.

So Flemeth?

[PantheraOnca]

Alelsa wrote...

Thats actually why Loghain worked well for me.  You're in two minds whether or not to go up against him, rather than it being a cut and dry "Oh, X is evil and has to die".

I knew/felt loghain was evil from the moment he was introduced. I tried reading the stolen throne to gain some perspective/sympathy/understanding of the character and it didn't work.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

One moment he/she might save you from falling to your death to further his/her own goals. Next time you two meet, the villain will stab you in the eye with a rusty fork.

So Flemeth?

Someone more "human", so to speak. Maybe the Dragon of someone such as Loghain.

[PantheraOnca]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

One moment he/she might save you from falling to your death to further his/her own goals. Next time you two meet, the villain will stab you in the eye with a rusty fork.

So Flemeth?

I would be down for that if you could chose to be her ally as well as choose to oppose her.


Hint: I would never oppose her.

[The Angry One]

I like how they tried to make Loghain a nuanced character, but then he'd face the camera a few times through the game and have this creepy "MUAHAHAHA!!" face. classy.

[Camilladilla]

You knew Loghain was going to do something EVIL when you saw how EVIL he looked from the start. WAY TO BE SUBTLE WITH THAT BIOWARE.

However, I do like the fact that if you spared him, he's then a fugly looking companion who may or may not get to have sexy times with Morrigan.

[ZombiePowered]

The Angry One wrote...

Heinrich843 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Heinrich843 wrote...

Really? No one is going to say it?

Fine. I want the Maker as the villain. That bastard needs to pay.

There are about 10,000 existing JRPGs where you kill God. Let's be more original.

Clearly you were taking me seriously.

No I just like pointing out that JRPGs have you kill God.

Easy solution. We kill two gods.

[Rifneno]

ZombiePowered wrote...

Easy solution. We kill two gods.

Been there, done that.

[Fieryeel]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Again, it's not like there haven't been downright, no justification evil characters in these games. I challenge you to try and justify Howe's actions.

True, Howe passes well.

I had Cousland origins, and when he slaughtered my family, it pissed me off big time. Add to the fact that for majority of the game he was completely untouchable, while I imagine how he sits on a throne of my family's stolen treasure after torturing mom and dad.

It made me really satisfied when I could finally sink my blade into him.

I want such villians in DA3. The one who's so evil and yet powerful you simply cannot touch him, only look at him in rage, then it all comes to a sweet conclusion where you finally have his neck in your hands.

[Harcken]

Na, we just need a villian who sticks around for the whole game, from start to finish; not a collection of half-assed mini-villians.