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[Goodwood]

So we have the Arrival DLC out and about, which in essence builds the near end of the bridge between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3. It is heavily implied that the far end of the span will be constructed of courtroom drama a la Tali's treason trial (if you will forgive the alliteration), and that Shepard will be required to attend and give accounting of her actions during the previous game. Opinions of Arrival notwithstanding (and they seem to be mostly between "epic meh" and "whiskey tango foxtrot"), this kind of setup has a lot of potential.

Hear Goodwood out for a moment...

Forget that cheesy (or so Goodwood has heard) interactive comic at the beginning of the PS3 port of ME2. Forget even the "field test" that Miranda conducts in the shuttle ride to Timmy's lair. Such a public venue has the potential to really push the story from both games and let Shepard have her chance to inform the rest of the galaxy. Or it could all go to hell when Shepard, after being summoned to Earth to "face the music" and "take the hit", finds that the Reapers have beaten her there and we get Sniper McFishnchips worrying about whether or not she can summon enough help quickly enough.

Ideally, at least in Goodwood's opinion, we might have the trial that results in Shepard airing out the dirty laundry from the prior two games and getting acquitted or released. Then Shepard goes off to spread the word and rally forces, only to find out that just after she left the $h!t hit the fan and now she has to bust her ass to get the galaxy to come to humanity's aid.

Goodwood just supposes that we'll have to wait and see.

[100k]

Can't be. The point of destroying the relay was to delay the reapers. It would take several months for them, traveling at FTL speeds, to reach Sol.

I get the sad feeling that ME3 is going to end with the galaxy being united for an instant against the reapers...before realizing that in order to save the galaxy, they have to isolate the reapers, and destroy the relays. All of them. Each system would then be able to trap the reapers, and use their fleets to destroy them, at the expense of never seeing each other again. By doing this, the galaxy is freed, not only from reapers, but from the technological path laid out by the creation of the mass relays.

[RogueWriter3201]

100k wrote...

Can't be. The point of destroying the relay was to delay the reapers. It would take several months for them, traveling at FTL speeds, to reach Sol.

I get the sad feeling that ME3 is going to end with the galaxy being united for an instant against the reapers...before realizing that in order to save the galaxy, they have to isolate the reapers, and destroy the relays. All of them. Each system would then be able to trap the reapers, and use their fleets to destroy them, at the expense of never seeing each other again. By doing this, the galaxy is freed, not only from reapers, but from the technological path laid out by the creation of the mass relays.

 

Forgive me, but I just don't see BioWare commiting to *that* kind of Giant Middle Finger ending. It *might* be a "possible" outcome, i.e. the No Survivor scenario for ME2; but cutting off the various races of the Galaxy and, effectively, Shepard's various crewmates/comrades/Lovers from thier homeworlds and people just flies in the face of the type of Heroic Conclusions BioWare is known for. Again, I'm not saying there won't be difficult choices in the end as to how the Reapers will be ultimately defeated, nor will there be a lack of poignant or even tragic moments (i.e. another Virmire) but as to how Shepard's story and the Saga of the Reapers will come to a close? The Galaxy effectively going back to Stage One? Not likely. 

[Goodwood]

Goodwood would also point out that Hackett says he can delay the trial for "several months" which, to his ears, sounds like the right span of time for ME3 to finish development and be released.

[Xaijin]

100k wrote...

Can't be. The point of destroying the relay was to delay the reapers. It would take several months for them, traveling at FTL speeds, to reach Sol.

I get the sad feeling that ME3 is going to end with the galaxy being united for an instant against the reapers...before realizing that in order to save the galaxy, they have to isolate the reapers, and destroy the relays. All of them. Each system would then be able to trap the reapers, and use their fleets to destroy them, at the expense of never seeing each other again. By doing this, the galaxy is freed, not only from reapers, but from the technological path laid out by the creation of the mass relays.

Nope. Hard to set a game in the Me universe when there is no universe to set it in.

ME is a franchise not a trilogy.

[Sable Phoenix]

You know... I find the implied trial to be a railroad of the worst kind.

After the way she's been treated, by the Alliance, by the Council, by the Spectres, hell, by Cerberus itself, my Jessica Shepard would flip everyone a giant bird and go sailing off in her shiny new hijacked SR2 to fight the Reapers her own way.

No way she'd show up with "dress blues" on, to her mind the Alliance left her, and she has no responsibility or need to listen to anything Hackett tells her to do.

The one line out of Arrival that made sense for her was the "Why tell me?" when Hackett first contacted her about Kenson, which I read as her saying, "The Alliance threw me under the bus and I am now, for all intents and purposes, a Cerberus operative in their eyes.  Not to mention I already know about the Reapers heading this way.  Why did you even bother calling?"

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 30 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[NM7]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

You know... I find the implied trial to be a railroad of the worst kind.

After the way she's been treated, by the Alliance, by the Council, by the Spectres, hell, by Cerberus itself, my Jessica Shepard would flip everyone a giant bird and go sailing off in her shiny new hijacked SR2 to fight the Reapers her own way.

No way she'd show up with "dress blues" on, to her mind the Alliance left her, and she has no responsibility or need to listen to anything Hackett tells her to do.

The one line out of Arrival that made sense for her was the "Why tell me?" when Hackett first contacted her about Kenson, which I read as her saying, "The Alliance threw me under the bus and I am now, for all intents and purposes, a Cerberus operative in their eyes.  Not to mention I already know about the Reapers heading this way.  Why did you even bother calling?"

You've nailed it again, Sable. That's exactly how I see Hrist reacting. After the way the council and the Alliance have treated her, she's done with the lot of them. She certainly wouldn't turn up to be put on trial after everything she's done to keep thye Reapers at bay and to explain her actions, so they can ignore her again and potentially throw her in prison.

[Cypher0020]

If there is a trial....and there might just be.... Charlie will show up in her dress blues...despite everything... she knows she did no wrong, she did the best she could... plus, this could be the *last* effort to make any sort of an appeal....

I blew the base, Liara is the SB, I tried to do Alliance errands while a Cerberus....operative....I saved the Council, she still believes in them....kept Spectre status...

surely, soem good must come out of this

[GuardianAngel470]

Yeah, Sean Shepard wouldn't go near that trial with a ten light-year pole. I have no proof, no evidence, nothing to prove what I did or did not do.

Sean Shepard would simply continue on his merry way, leaving the Local Cluster out of his visit schedule till the Reapers are destroying Big Ben.

[Harpalyce]

As long as Shepard's lawyer doesn't look like this -

...I'm sure she'll be fine.

Seriously though, a trial does seem like it would be a great opening to the story. It's an easy way to get a quick 'summary' of choices made. Though I would expect that before the trial finishes, the situation promptly goes to all heck, so the first "tutorial" level is fighting your way out. Or something like that. I have enough faith in BioWare that whatever comes, it'll be fun to play.

[PrinceLionheart]

How exactly has the Alliance wronged Shepard? Anderson makes it pretty clear that because the Alliance assumed more responsibility on the Citadel, they were stretched thin and couldn't help.

[CajunRexShepard]

I hope there is a way to avoid the trial- I don't want to waste time in an epic game devoted to saving all life in a courtroom listening to some idiot drone on trying to railroad you with circumstantial evidence at best.

As I mentioned in another thread, this wasn't an Alliance op, and since you were A) Outside council space and Not an Alliance officer nor on an Alliance ship, the Batarians claims against you are pretty hollow.

Nevermind the events of 'Bring down the sky'... The Alliance can just politically write this event off as an 'eye for an eye' mission of galactic proportions, seeing as how there was no trial for that equally dastardly plot involving a militarized asteroid, only this one was MEANT to wipe out a colony, there was no ulterior motive to try and save anyone from Reapers.

The Four Eyed creeps got what they deserved there, and even though I tried to warn them in Arrival, I wasn't allowed. 300k now to save billions upon billions later? It's a cold answer, but it's acceptable losses from a tactical and strategic standpoint. Death is a part of war... just because the council refuses to see it, does not mean that war is not upon us anyway...

If all else fails, Hackett's support, Liara being the new Shadow Broker, EDI's connections, and the fact that Shep travels around with a dozen or so of the most powerful and/or wanted beings in existence makes him not very easy to bring in or pin anything on. If you chose it so, you also have your SPECTRE status reinstated, though that can easily be re-stripped away...

[ashwind]

Think Shepard will be summon to earth for a trial - he may recap his actions in preparation of the trial on the Normandy but the trial itself never came to pass because Harby and friends arrived before Shepard.

[Celestria129]

Well i know one thing for sure, somethings got to happen at the start where Shep can change faces......maybe Batarians(sp) try to blow shep up on the way to the trial.....

[grifter024]

CajunRexShepard wrote...





If all else fails, Hackett's support, Liara being the new Shadow Broker, EDI's connections, and the fact that Shep travels around with a dozen or so of the most powerful and/or wanted beings in existence makes him not very easy to bring in or pin anything on. If you chose it so, you also have your SPECTRE status reinstated, though that can easily be re-stripped away...

That could also cast big glooming glances your way and for someone to let slip "Renegade," Would undermine almost everything you've tried to do for the galaxy.

Look what happened to Saren...guy was a Spectre from the Turians for all intents and purposes this guy was basically Sheppard BEFORE Shep stepped to the plate.

Walking around with your connections as well as the people you associate you with makes you a very big target physically and politically.

Although the laws dont technically constrain a "Dead," Person.

[zombitologist]

I think that Sheppard will either go to the trial willingly or the alliance will arrest him

[J. Finley]

I get the feeling that Fred Mazzei, Elias Kelham's lawyer, is going to be our advocate.

Why else would he be popping up in the Shadow Broker archives? He has to be significant in some way to the story.

[themark443]

*fingers crossed for johnny 'chewbacca defense' cochran or lionel hutz*

[Goodwood]

If that's the case, then Goodwood thinks that there'll be a Reaper inadvertently springing Shep from prison.

But getting down to brass tacks, she's only going to be put on trial for blowing up the one star system, and Hackett himself says the evidence is "scant" or some similar word "at best", and most likely by an Alliance court if the good admiral's statements are to be taken at face value. So all those other "crimes" that Shep has done are not even going to be considered, much less allowed into evidence by the judge or tribunal or whatever.

Besides, it's a great place for her to publicly give Cerberus the finger.

[cbutz]

My Shepard is going to have a "blast" at the trial. I really do hope it is full of renegade interrupts.Chances are it will end with the judge saying something along the lines that Shep is crazy for believing the reapers and must spend one year with Conrad Verner. At that moment a Reaper will come crashing through and thus the intro stage of the game will begin.

[100k]

I can see it now: The beginning of ME3.



A brief history of the Protheans, and their rise and fall*
A brief history of Shepard, and his struggle against the Reapers*

Then a close up of Shepard, struggling through a crowd of reporters shoving mics in his/her face. One reporter seperates herself from the tangled fray, and gets Shepards attention by shoving her in Shep's path:

Jilani: "Alisa Bin Al Jilani! This would be the third time we've made contact, Commander. You are now the figure head, and not in a good way, of what many are calling the Trial of the Century. Intel from Batarians in the system that was destroyed last month claim that they heard your voice over emergency channels, mocking them, mere hours before the Alpha Relay was destroyed when an asteroid collided with it, killing some 300,000 batarians within the system. How do you respond commander!?"

Shepard Paragon: "I destroyed that relay, because the Reapers were coming to the galaxy, and it was the only way. I wasn't mocking the batarians either. I was trying to send an emergency evacuation protocol! My message was cut short by an agent on board the asteroid's base!"

Shepard Renegade: "Oh no, not YOU! Can't I ever get a goddamn break!?"

Jilani: "Your attempt to start war, stain the spotless reputation of the Systems Alliance, and gain attention to yourself has cost the galaxy before, first when you allowed several humans to die to save aliens at the battle of the citadel, and now when--" *interrupt

Paragon: "If there had been any other way, I would have taken it. But with mad scientists trying to kill me aboard the asteroids research base, and the Reaper threat on the horizon, I had to act fast! And don't you dare talk about the Alliance, Jilani! I read your service record. Kicked out within six months, due to repeated attempted *finger quotes* "fraternization" *finger quotes* with your superior officers, which ended when they all filed joint restraining orders against you! Don't talk about the Alliance! And don't you dare talk about me...and certainly without all of the facts."

Jilani: "Great. Bull rushed on my own show...again."

Renegade: "You filthy b*tch." *punches Jilani, to an shocked outcry from the crowd*

*ME3 title*

Modifié par 100k, 07 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Saphra is right; Shepard already has enough blood on her hands without the whole blowing up a batarian system thing.

[Ieldra]

100k wrote...
Can't be. The point of destroying the relay was to delay the reapers. It would take several months for them, traveling at FTL speeds, to reach Sol.

There's no guessing at which speeds the Reapers can travel, but with the standard FTL speed used elsewhere (12ly/day) it wouldn't take months but years. Judging from the galaxy map, the distance between the arrival point and Sol is about 25% of the galaxy's diameter, i.e. about 25000 ly. Makes about 4.5 years.

But we can be sure Bioware will find a way to compress time...again.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 avril 2011 - 05:44 .