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[errant_knight]

TJPags wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

We don't know that it's a year, only that it's more than a year since they arrived, and that the end of the game is ten years after Hawke arrives. It's long enough after the year of servitude that they feel like they're floundering and should have gotten further, but not so long that anyone is speaking of multiple years of failure.

Are you talking about additional time between the end of the year of servitude and the start of Act 1?

That's possible, I suppose, but how long could that be?

Carver wuldn't be as frustrated as he is if there hadn't been time spent not doing well in striking out on their own after they were free to do what they wanted. I'd say at least six to nine months. Otherwise, he'd be  less disillusioned.

[Deztyn]

Rifneno wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Which is why I like to say it's primarily bias and not anger that screws up Justice.

Justice makes it pretty clear in Awakening that he is wholeheartedly against the way mages are treated.  While much of the story doesn't make sense when you factor in DAO because they clearly came up with this story after DAO was done, the part about Justice's stance on templars is indeed backed up in DAA.  If you have Anders and Justice in the party they'll have a banter where Justice is half perplexed and half angered by the fact Anders isn't fighting back against the templars as he feels he should.

Yes. He also thinks that Anders is committing a crime against Felines by keeping Ser Pounce-A-Lot.

It's the Mages over everyone else attitude, not just hating the templars and chantry.

[Deztyn]

TJPags wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

We don't know that it's a year, only that it's more than a year since they arrived, and that the end of the game is ten years after Hawke arrives. It's long enough after the year of servitude that they feel like they're floundering and should have gotten further, but not so long that anyone is speaking of multiple years of failure.

Are you talking about additional time between the end of the year of servitude and the start of Act 1?

That's possible, I suppose, but how long could that be?

Not long. From Varric's voice over I got the impression that he was meeting Hawke at the end of her year of servitude. "Thus began the Champions first year in Kirkwall. [stuff] So she made her name, settling her debts with the mercenaries. It was a busy year in the city [stuff] But most importantly that's when I met the Champion"

You still have to figure that the Blight definitely ended during Hawke's time in servitude. There's no way around that. So even if we pad the timeline with travel time to Kirkwall and extra time between acts it's still a problem. Because DA2's timeline is a bit inconsistent all on it's own.


Edit:

Knight,
It's Carver, I love the boy but frustrated is his default setting.

Modifié par Deztyn, 31 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[errant_knight]

The blight and also Awakening. There has to be time for Anders to get to Kirkwall and establish himself as an apostate healer before he meets Hawke.

[MKDAWUSS]

Slidell505 wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Oghren says that he's been on the surface a year and a half, so I'm willing to go with that number. Devs have already said the ending slides are rumours. I'm more concerned with the references we see in dialogue, and what we can infer from actual events.

2-3 years after the Blight until recruiting Anders just doesn't work.The blight ends during Hawke's year of servitude. That's spelled out clearly. Varric says he meets Hawke after her first year in Kirkwall. We can try to fanwank that into meaning one year, eleven months and twenty nine days after arriving in Kirkwall and it still wouldn't work unless we try to place the escape from Lothering at the end of the Blight.

Which would create a whole new set of continuity problems.

And then there's still Sandal being in Witch Hunt and in Kirkwall. <_<

Witch hunt takes place four years after DAO. So it happens during the time skip between act 2 and act 3.

IIRC, Bodahn mentions Sandal being observed by the Templars in Act I. I presume this is a Witch Hunt reference, where the Templars learn a lot from him.

Hopefully we can get a concise timeline outlining what happened when.

[LT123]

Ealos wrote...

supakillaii wrote...

No, Amaranthine took place about 6 months after the EotB

Which is about a year and a half after Hawke makes it out of Lothering - and thus, assuming that Act I starts immediately after leaving the smugglers/merchants, potentially after Hawke meets Anders. I don't mind the idea that a bit of time has passed after that year though. It can work.


Mind you, I would like to know if it's supposed to be my Warden-Commander who told him to get rid of Ser Pounce-a-lot. I mean, I was the one who gave him to Anders! And who's going to turn down a cat who can resurrect people in battle? Why not say Anders no longer likes the idea (Justice didn't get the concept of pets, after all), or something.

The Warden-Commander must have left Vigil's Keep temporarily or permanently, and the replacement commander made him get rid of the cat. 

Anders: (sounding nostalgic)  "I had a friend like you, once. Got into all sorts of trouble; dragged me along. Didn't think I'd be doing that again."

I can't imagine that referring to anyone but the original Warden Commander (Hero of Ferelden or Orlesian Warden). I also can't imagine that he'd remember them so fondly if they were the one who a) made him give up Pounce (after giving the cat to him, which would make no sense anyway) and sicced a templar guard on him.

I like to imagine my WCs finding out about all this and beating the living daylights out of the idiot who replaced them.

Also, the timeline makes my brain hurt.

Edit: Can't spell.

Modifié par LT123, 31 mars 2011 - 02:36 .

[darkrose]

We do, in fact, know that Hawke & company have been in Kirkwall for a year before meeting Varric, because the autosave is titled, "Year One". The Act 2 and 3 autosaves are "Year Four" and "Year Seven," accounting for the two 3-year timeskips.

So, if we assume that despite the distances involved, the Blight began and ended in a year, and Awakening took place six months after the Blight ended...how the hell did Anders end up in Kirkwall? The only way it sorta kinda makes sense is if you accept that "Year One" equals anything up to a day short of two years.

Or, you know, just assume that the timeline is completely borked, and don't even try to get it to make sense.

[Darth Krytie]

We're all making the assumption that a year in Thedas=a year in Earth time. Thedas isn't Earth, so maybe a complete revolution around the sun is more than 365 days. >.>

It's hard to really nail down a time for these things anyhow because there's no definitive date for the destruction of Lothering. It's prompted by finishing a major quest in the game. And, moreover, you're not given a definitive timeline for how long it takes to travel throughout Fereldan. (And each person's path is different. I went to Sulcher's Pass an awful lot) You get a bit of info in that Awakenings is six months after the end of the Blight, but you don't get how long your actions take (if brought to its conclusion).

[TJPags]

Darth Krytie wrote...

We're all making the assumption that a year in Thedas=a year in Earth time. Thedas isn't Earth, so maybe a complete revolution around the sun is more than 365 days. >.>

It's hard to really nail down a time for these things anyhow because there's no definitive date for the destruction of Lothering. It's prompted by finishing a major quest in the game. And, moreover, you're not given a definitive timeline for how long it takes to travel throughout Fereldan. (And each person's path is different. I went to Sulcher's Pass an awful lot) You get a bit of info in that Awakenings is six months after the end of the Blight, but you don't get how long your actions take (if brought to its conclusion).

Well, regardless of whether a Thedas year = 365 days, the Blight took 1 Thedas year.  And Awakening started 6 Thedas months after the end of the Blight . .  .unless we're going to get into Thedas having more months per year, that's still half a year.

And I'm pretty sure that no matter how we work or play with the timeline, Anders is in Kirkwall well too early.

[Darth Krytie]

jsyk, the ">.>" indicated I was joking...many apologies for the sarcastic emoticon fail.

[TJPags]

Darth Krytie wrote...

jsyk, the ">.>" indicated I was joking...many apologies for the sarcastic emoticon fail.

ooops.

Sorry.  Hate when I do that. 

So, yea, timeline.  Stinks, don't it?

[KAAurious]

Anders must have caught a ship to Kirkwall immediately after the events in Awakening. I guess that makes sense, the guy seems to place strong emphasis on freedom.

Then again, do we know how long it took for the events in Awakening to transpire?

[errant_knight]

TJPags wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

We're all making the assumption that a year in Thedas=a year in Earth time. Thedas isn't Earth, so maybe a complete revolution around the sun is more than 365 days. >.>

It's hard to really nail down a time for these things anyhow because there's no definitive date for the destruction of Lothering. It's prompted by finishing a major quest in the game. And, moreover, you're not given a definitive timeline for how long it takes to travel throughout Fereldan. (And each person's path is different. I went to Sulcher's Pass an awful lot) You get a bit of info in that Awakenings is six months after the end of the Blight, but you don't get how long your actions take (if brought to its conclusion).

Well, regardless of whether a Thedas year = 365 days, the Blight took 1 Thedas year.  And Awakening started 6 Thedas months after the end of the Blight . .  .unless we're going to get into Thedas having more months per year, that's still half a year.

And I'm pretty sure that no matter how we work or play with the timeline, Anders is in Kirkwall well too early.

Yeah, I think he is, too. Especially when you think that it can't be immediately after Awakening ends. The new commander has to arrive and take command. Some time needs to pass for him/her to get to know the command well enough to find out that Anders has a cat, unless someone was waiting at the gate to tell tales. It's not something important enough to come up right away. And this new templar warden has to arrive and be around long enough fro Anders to be sure that he's after him. Apparently they worked together more than once from the sound of that introductory story. If Awakening took six months (and I think it has to have taken somewhat longer, myself, than almost as much time must have passed afterwards just to set up the manner in which Anders left.

It would have made far more sense for Anders to be introduced early in Act two.

Modifié par errant_knight, 31 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[Deztyn]

Or during the Deep Roads as a warden immediately after Awakening and reassigned/on a mission. He could have merged with Justice as part of The Plot. That would get rid of the whole New Warden Commander/Templar/Kitty mess.

And also Anders pure stupidity in deliberately merging with Justice in the first place. And also the disconnect from his Awakening characterization by having his spirit driven trip to cuckoo land start during our game rather than before it. The only problem that doesn't solve for me is missing Greg Ellis.

... of course that wouldn't fix the timeline on a whole. Just mitigate Anders part in screwing it up.

And it would make me happy.

@Slidell505 and MKDAWUSS

I've never played Witch Hunt but according to the Wiki it's 2 1/2 years after Origins. Bodhan does not refer to Sandal's time in the Circle in Act I. It's in Act II. When we first meet Bodhan he says that he just returned from adventuring with the Hero of Fereldan. While that doesn't mean 'yesterday' it does make it more difficult to imagine there being much time between the end of the Blight and Act I. So Witch Hunt fits best between Acts. Making the Deep Roads expedition less than 2 1/2 years after the Blight.

Modifié par Deztyn, 31 mars 2011 - 05:45 .

[PirateT138]

Yes, the timing wasn't well thought out. I'm fairly surprised basic things like this aren't just drawn out on a white-board somewhere.

You don't have to have a time-line for every mundane detail, but all of the major events should coincide correctly.

In Act 1 Anders should probably be in the middle of helping the Warden in Amaranthine or at the very least should still be bumming around with the Wardens.

[Big I]

I just realised something.

Sandal is in Witch Hunt, which means that Witch Hunt takes place before DA2 Act 2 (ignoring for a moment the problem of Bodahn taking Sandal back to the Fereldan Circle from Kirkwall). In DA2 Act 3 Teagan will mention that the Hero of Fereldan should be back in Denerim by the time they get back there.

Either this is another continuity error, or even if the Warden followed Morrigan through the eluvian they've come back by 9:37 Dragon. WTH?

[errant_knight]

This really isn't making sense. Damn. I was hoping to clarify this so I could bring part two of my story in line with the timeline of DA2, but....

[MasterSolo]

I don't get why the timeline seems so implausible to some of you people. The Blight ends, 6 months later The Warden is sent to Amaranthine, probably from Denerim which is close to Amaranthine, which might take a week or 2 to get there. Then Awakening happens. It probably happened for 2 or 3 months, maybe less. The Warden has to travel between a small area, which probably doesn't take too much time to do. Also the walls for Vigil's Keep need to be repaired and reinforced, not built from scratch, which I'm assuming 2-3 months is enough to do that. So the Justice in Anders thing happened between month 9 and 12 after the blight. At month 11 oe 12 Anders takes a boat to From Amaranthine to Kirkwall, arives to Kirkwall, was there for 1 or 2 weeks(he doesn't need to be there for a while, a mage/former Grey Warden that heals people for free isn't exactly what you see every day in Kirkwall, word spreads fast) and then he was encountered by Hawke. It is possible.

The problem is Justice's epilogue(s). Most of them seem to suggest he served the Wardens many years after Awakening. The only one that seems to be plasusible is if Justice, remained to protect Vigil's Keep and The Warden saved Amaranthine. Him and Anders may have cooked up some ritual or something during the 2-3 months of Awakening. So he gets killed there, and the spirit of justice somehow gets to Anders. It's possible.

[Deztyn]

Figuring what Anders did when isn't the real problem. The problem is that Hawke's timeline doesn't seem to match up with Anders timeline.

Modifié par Deztyn, 01 avril 2011 - 03:12 .

[qirien]

Perhaps the ship from Gwaren to Kirkwall took longer than whatever method Anders used to get to Kirkwall?

[Ealos]

It wouldn't have taken the year or so that it took to defeat the Blight. Tbh, not sure why they didn't give Hawke 2yrs in the city or something, it'd make everything that bit more believable. A timeline is not complicated to write down and refer to whan deciding events, after all. Not a big thing I suppose, but still.

[In Exile]

Ealos wrote...
Mind you, I would like to know if it's supposed to be my Warden-Commander who told him to get rid of Ser Pounce-a-lot. I mean, I was the one who gave him to Anders! And who's going to turn down a cat who can resurrect people in battle? Why not say Anders no longer likes the idea (Justice didn't get the concept of pets, after all), or something.

It's implied that it's the other Wardens. The Warden Commander is supposed to be of a different breed (at least, the Hero of Ferelden, who was never actually inducted into the Wardens properly).

[Ealos]

?! He Joined, didn't he?

[In Exile]

Ealos wrote...

?! He Joined, didn't he?

And then Duncan went and died and Alistair was a recruit. The Warden at best spent a few months running a ragtag bunch of wardens the Warden recruited on a whim. The only actual Grey Wardens you ever meet are the suvivors of Vigil. So we don't know what the real Wardens are like at all.

[Ealos]

He attains the rank of Warden-Commander in the organisation though. I understand that Fereldan's situation is unusual, and we don't know the Wardens' methods outside that kingdom, but the Warden is definitely part of the Order.