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[Girl on a Rock]

Mindr wrote...

I'm afraid that the answer to that question will probably cost us 10 bucks.

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[MCPOWill]

Mindr wrote...

I'm afraid that the answer to that question will probably cost us 10 bucks.

Nope, playthrough Awakening or Youtube the party banter between Anders and Justice and you'll the foreshadowing of what is to come in DA-II. As the recounting of the actual event in which Anders and Justice merged, there is a short story written by Mark Kirby I believe that details it up here on the site for a free download.

So no you won't be paying $10 for an answer to Anders.

[MCPOWill]

For you timeline people out there. The destruction of Lothering is about a quarter or half way into DAO. It then took weeks to get to Kirkwall and a then a few more to get into the city and start working, so about a month has past since the destruction of Lothering. Near this point the Landsmeet could be going on and about a week later the Blight is finished and the civil war ended.

That gives 11 months.

6 months later is Awakening and that probably takes an upwards to 2-4 weeks. Amaranthine is small people and the WC conflict with the Mother and Architect sure wasn't dragged on for months dragged.

At the end of Awakening it has been 7-8 months since Hawke began his/her servitude

That leaves 4 months for Anders merge with Justice and leave.

During Act 1 is also Golems I am assuming. Act 1 finishes in one year.

Witch Hunt takes place 2 years after the defeat of the Archdemon. The Deep Roads expedition ended before the Hero of Ferelden or the Warden-Commander search for Morrigan.

As for Sandal. Bodahn could have left to sell some of his wears and share of the loot from the deep road expedition. During this time he could have left Sandal at the Mages Tower all the while Hawke is moving up in the hierarchy of Kirkwall.

So the timeline works, you just got to spread some of it out a little bit.

Side note: Act 2 at the earliest is when the HoF or the WC could be 'missing'. So for 3-7 years The Warden has fallen out of spot light.

[TJPags]

MCPOWill wrote...

For you timeline people out there. The destruction of Lothering is about a quarter or half way into DAO. It then took weeks to get to Kirkwall and a then a few more to get into the city and start working, so about a month has past since the destruction of Lothering. Near this point the Landsmeet could be going on and about a week later the Blight is finished and the civil war ended.

That gives 11 months.

6 months later is Awakening and that probably takes an upwards to 2-4 weeks. Amaranthine is small people and the WC conflict with the Mother and Architect sure wasn't dragged on for months dragged.

At the end of Awakening it has been 7-8 months since Hawke began his/her servitude

That leaves 4 months for Anders merge with Justice and leave.

During Act 1 is also Golems I am assuming. Act 1 finishes in one year.

Witch Hunt takes place 2 years after the defeat of the Archdemon. The Deep Roads expedition ended before the Hero of Ferelden or the Warden-Commander search for Morrigan.

As for Sandal. Bodahn could have left to sell some of his wears and share of the loot from the deep road expedition. During this time he could have left Sandal at the Mages Tower all the while Hawke is moving up in the hierarchy of Kirkwall.

So the timeline works, you just got to spread some of it out a little bit.

Side note: Act 2 at the earliest is when the HoF or the WC could be 'missing'. So for 3-7 years The Warden has fallen out of spot light.

Wait, I'm not sure I'm following you.

Let's put this in actual time, shall we?

Blight starts in January, with the recruiting of the Warden, and on to Ostagar.  Let's say, as you suggest, Lothering is destroyed half way through - it's now July.  Hawke spends a month getting to and into Kirkwall - August.  Spends a year in servitude, ending the following August.

Now, Origins ends with the AD dying at the end of December.  Awakening starts 6 months later - June.    Takes a month.  July.

Anders has exactly one month, at best, to vanish from the Wardens, merge with Justice, get to Kirkwall, get into the city, and establish himself as a healer.  And that's using your time periods.

If Lothering was destroyed in, say, April . . .we have a serious problem.

Modifié par TJPags, 13 avril 2011 - 11:54 .

[MCPOWill]

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

For you timeline people out there. The destruction of Lothering is about a quarter or half way into DAO. It then took weeks to get to Kirkwall and a then a few more to get into the city and start working, so about a month has past since the destruction of Lothering. Near this point the Landsmeet could be going on and about a week later the Blight is finished and the civil war ended.

That gives 11 months.

6 months later is Awakening and that probably takes an upwards to 2-4 weeks. Amaranthine is small people and the WC conflict with the Mother and Architect sure wasn't dragged on for months dragged.

At the end of Awakening it has been 7-8 months since Hawke began his/her servitude

That leaves 4 months for Anders merge with Justice and leave.

During Act 1 is also Golems I am assuming. Act 1 finishes in one year.

Witch Hunt takes place 2 years after the defeat of the Archdemon. The Deep Roads expedition ended before the Hero of Ferelden or the Warden-Commander search for Morrigan.

As for Sandal. Bodahn could have left to sell some of his wears and share of the loot from the deep road expedition. During this time he could have left Sandal at the Mages Tower all the while Hawke is moving up in the hierarchy of Kirkwall.

So the timeline works, you just got to spread some of it out a little bit.

Side note: Act 2 at the earliest is when the HoF or the WC could be 'missing'. So for 3-7 years The Warden has fallen out of spot light.

Wait, I'm not sure I'm following you.

Let's put this in actual time, shall we?

Blight starts in January, with the recruiting of the Warden, and on to Ostagar.  Let's say, as you suggest, Lothering is destroyed half way through - it's now July.  Hawke spends a month getting to and into Kirkwall - August.  Spends a year in servitude, ending the following August.

Now, Origins ends with the AD dying at the end of December.  Awakening starts 6 months later - June.    Takes a month.  July.

Anders has exactly one month, at best, to vanish from the Wardens, merge with Justice, get to Kirkwall, get into the city, and establish himself as a healer.  And that's using your time periods.

If Lothering was destroyed in, say, April . . .we have a serious problem.

I am saying that The Warden adventures gathering an army, quelling a civil war, and a ending the Blight is about 2-3 months with the destruction of Lothering being half way through that.
So at the time of Hawkes servitude, There is only a month give or take till the Blight end by the hands of the Warden. 

1 month in Hawkes servitude

The Awakening 6 months later, with Awakening taking about 2-4 weeks at most.

Now it is at most 8 months since Hawkes servitude began.

That leaves 4 months for Anders to leave and merge with Justice and for the WC/HoF to leave command of Vigils Keep and do other things. Plenty of time. 

Ya know, guessing the Dragon Age Timeline feels kind of like guessing the Legend of Zelda timline 

[TJPags]

MCPOWill wrote...

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

For you timeline people out there. The destruction of Lothering is about a quarter or half way into DAO. It then took weeks to get to Kirkwall and a then a few more to get into the city and start working, so about a month has past since the destruction of Lothering. Near this point the Landsmeet could be going on and about a week later the Blight is finished and the civil war ended.

That gives 11 months.

6 months later is Awakening and that probably takes an upwards to 2-4 weeks. Amaranthine is small people and the WC conflict with the Mother and Architect sure wasn't dragged on for months dragged.

At the end of Awakening it has been 7-8 months since Hawke began his/her servitude

That leaves 4 months for Anders merge with Justice and leave.

During Act 1 is also Golems I am assuming. Act 1 finishes in one year.

Witch Hunt takes place 2 years after the defeat of the Archdemon. The Deep Roads expedition ended before the Hero of Ferelden or the Warden-Commander search for Morrigan.

As for Sandal. Bodahn could have left to sell some of his wears and share of the loot from the deep road expedition. During this time he could have left Sandal at the Mages Tower all the while Hawke is moving up in the hierarchy of Kirkwall.

So the timeline works, you just got to spread some of it out a little bit.

Side note: Act 2 at the earliest is when the HoF or the WC could be 'missing'. So for 3-7 years The Warden has fallen out of spot light.

Wait, I'm not sure I'm following you.

Let's put this in actual time, shall we?

Blight starts in January, with the recruiting of the Warden, and on to Ostagar.  Let's say, as you suggest, Lothering is destroyed half way through - it's now July.  Hawke spends a month getting to and into Kirkwall - August.  Spends a year in servitude, ending the following August.

Now, Origins ends with the AD dying at the end of December.  Awakening starts 6 months later - June.    Takes a month.  July.

Anders has exactly one month, at best, to vanish from the Wardens, merge with Justice, get to Kirkwall, get into the city, and establish himself as a healer.  And that's using your time periods.

If Lothering was destroyed in, say, April . . .we have a serious problem.

I am saying that The Warden adventures gathering an army, quelling a civil war, and a ending the Blight is about 2-3 months with the destruction of Lothering being half way through that.
So at the time of Hawkes servitude, There is only a month give or take till the Blight end by the hands of the Warden. 

1 month in Hawkes servitude

The Awakening 6 months later, with Awakening taking about 2-4 weeks at most.

Now it is at most 8 months since Hawkes servitude began.

That leaves 4 months for Anders to leave and merge with Justice and for the WC/HoF to leave command of Vigils Keep and do other things. Plenty of time. 

Ya know, guessing the Dragon Age Timeline feels kind of like guessing the Legend of Zelda timline 

But the problem is, Origins takes a year, not 2-3 months.  And Lothering gets destoryed in Origins after you do one main quest.  Leaving 2 main quests (3 if you include Redcliffe as a main quest) to still be done.  So you're talking Lothering gets destroyed somewhere in March - May, using January 1 as the start of the Blight.

So if we say April 1 (and yes, I know that's April Fools Day ) is Hawke escaping Lothering, the timeline can't possibly match up.  Awakening would end, at the earliest (taking your 4 week time as reasonable) at the end of July of year 2.  Which is 3 months AFTER Hawke ended the year of servitude.

Which means Hawke is running around Kirkwall 3 months before Anders even leaves Amaranthine.  Yet Anders has somehow gotten to Kirkwall, gotten into the city, and established himself as a known and respected healer?

It don't work.

[MCPOWill]

No... Origins doesn't take a year, because both Origins and Awakening take place and end in 9:30 Dragon. Plus the size of Ferelden and the amount of travel time doesn't add up to be a year really. I haven't really crunched any serious numbers I am just assuming that story wise Origins is only a couple of months at most if the Warden was being efficient.

Hell, Origins might only be like 2 weeks long because Fergus Cousland state that he woke "2 weeks later" to find his brother/sister marching on Denerim to save it from the Darkspawn Horde. I doubt that game really take place over the course of 2 weeks after Ostagar.

[TJPags]

MCPOWill wrote...

No... Origins doesn't take a year, because both Origins and Awakening take place and end in 9:30 Dragon. Plus the size of Ferelden and the amount of travel time doesn't add up to be a year really. I haven't really crunched any serious numbers I am just assuming that story wise Origins is only a couple of months at most if the Warden was being efficient.

Hell, Origins might only be like 2 weeks long because Fergus Cousland state that he woke "2 weeks later" to find his brother/sister marching on Denerim to save it from the Darkspawn Horde. I doubt that game really take place over the course of 2 weeks after Ostagar.

Umm, devs have said it takes a year.  Comments from characters in game indicate its a year.  Conventional wisdom is, it took a year.

If that's wrong, then virtually this entire board has been working with incorrect figures since Origins came out.

[Greta13]

Well jesh, I guess nobody told you guys. As well as being an abomination Anders can also time travel AND teleport. Darn these mages are powerful!

[MCPOWill]

TJPags wrote...

MCPOWill wrote...

No... Origins doesn't take a year, because both Origins and Awakening take place and end in 9:30 Dragon. Plus the size of Ferelden and the amount of travel time doesn't add up to be a year really. I haven't really crunched any serious numbers I am just assuming that story wise Origins is only a couple of months at most if the Warden was being efficient.

Hell, Origins might only be like 2 weeks long because Fergus Cousland state that he woke "2 weeks later" to find his brother/sister marching on Denerim to save it from the Darkspawn Horde. I doubt that game really take place over the course of 2 weeks after Ostagar.

Umm, devs have said it takes a year.  Comments from characters in game indicate its a year.  Conventional wisdom is, it took a year.

If that's wrong, then virtually this entire board has been working with incorrect figures since Origins came out.

^ Right.  They do say that don't they. lol
Ok, no worries  well I can still work my theory into this. Between the Origin and Ostagar, a few months do go by as implied by Duncan I believe. Then from Ostagar to the first completed plotline is a few months. Then the destruction of Lothering happens and it about 3-4 weeks for Hawke to begin the year of servitude. Then Awakening 6 months later and so forth giving enough time for Anders to settle into the Wardens get possessed by Justice and leave to Kirkwall. 

Also meeting Anders in during the year that Act 1 takes place. It could also be later (and it to some degree technically is) in the year that you meet up with Anders.

[_Aine_]

TJPags wrote...

Umm, devs have said it takes a year.  Comments from characters in game indicate its a year.  Conventional wisdom is, it took a year.

If that's wrong, then virtually this entire board has been working with incorrect figures since Origins came out.

It took a year for the story to take place, and a year and half for us to figure out exactly how long that one year took to happen.  Fantastic!  lol 

I'm confused.  We need this done graphically, in a timeline like they do at museums to impress us with the hardiness of dinosaurs compared to us humans.     

Modifié par shantisands, 14 avril 2011 - 05:05 .

[Gexora]

Okay guys this sucks. I've just admitted to myself that trying to compare DA2 and DA timelines isn't working - long, long ago i did try to do that - and have read the thread mostly for the fun. But if what MCPOWill says is right and Origins and Awakening both began at 9/30 Dragon - and I think i can emember it being stated somewhere....

[Gexora]

wiki goes against it tho

[MCPOWill]

Well wiki can be wrong. But even if DAO is a year long, it is not stated that starts in January (or their version of the month) and ends in December, because I am still very certain that DAO and Awakening are in the same year, 9:30.

Also Hawke becomes Champion in 9:34 so that means Act 1 starts some time in 9:31. so DAO and DAA sort of have to be with the same year.

[Alex Kershaw]

Strangest thing is that Origins starts at same time as DA2, and you meet Anders 1 year into DA2. So you do all of Origins, Awakenings THEN Anders merges with Justice all in a year? The whole Anders timeline in messed

[Alex Kershaw]

Slidell505 wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Oghren says that he's been on the surface a year and a half, so I'm willing to go with that number. Devs have already said the ending slides are rumours. I'm more concerned with the references we see in dialogue, and what we can infer from actual events.

2-3 years after the Blight until recruiting Anders just doesn't work.The blight ends during Hawke's year of servitude. That's spelled out clearly. Varric says he meets Hawke after her first year in Kirkwall. We can try to fanwank that into meaning one year, eleven months and twenty nine days after arriving in Kirkwall and it still wouldn't work unless we try to place the escape from Lothering at the end of the Blight.

Which would create a whole new set of continuity problems.

And then there's still Sandal being in Witch Hunt and in Kirkwall. <_<

Witch hunt takes place four years after DAO. So it happens during the time skip between act 2 and act 3.

4 years? The official Witch Hunt page claims less than 1 year, and the Vigil's keep description ingame claims 2.5 years. 4 years is just infactual nonsense.

[TobiTobsen]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Oghren says that he's been on the surface a year and a half, so I'm willing to go with that number. Devs have already said the ending slides are rumours. I'm more concerned with the references we see in dialogue, and what we can infer from actual events.

2-3 years after the Blight until recruiting Anders just doesn't work.The blight ends during Hawke's year of servitude. That's spelled out clearly. Varric says he meets Hawke after her first year in Kirkwall. We can try to fanwank that into meaning one year, eleven months and twenty nine days after arriving in Kirkwall and it still wouldn't work unless we try to place the escape from Lothering at the end of the Blight.

Which would create a whole new set of continuity problems.

And then there's still Sandal being in Witch Hunt and in Kirkwall. <_<

Witch hunt takes place four years after DAO. So it happens during the time skip between act 2 and act 3.

4 years? The official Witch Hunt page claims less than 1 year, and the Vigil's keep description ingame claims 2.5 years. 4 years is just infactual nonsense.

Just don't think to much about the timeline. That whole thing is a mess.

Trying to apply logic to all the events and dates is like dividing through zero. Thedas would collapse, because the space-time continuum rips it apart and then devours itself.

[TJPags]

Look, we really need to stop thinking about the timeline.  It's screwed.  Beyond belief.

But, if you want to, let's do it.

First, we must all agree and accept that Origins takes a year.  We're good?  Good.

Next, we must all agree and accept that Awakening starts 6 months later.  We're good?  Good.

Now, Origins starts January 1, 9:30 Dragon.  Why?  Because January 1 is the first day of the year.  And it's my timeline.  Live with it. 

So, Origins ends December 31, 9:30 Dragon.  1 year.

Awakening therefore starts June 1, 9:31 Dragon.  6 months later.  We good?  Good.

Now, let's say it takes a month to get to Ostagar from . . well, wherever your Origin starts.  So, February 1, 9:30 Dragon.  The events at Ostagar, even though they seem to take 2 days in game, we'll give a week.  And we'll say the Warden is unconscious at Flemeth's hut for a week.  Happy February 15 - hope you got something good for Valentine's Day. 

Now, a month to Lothering, okay?  Then a month to Redcliffe.  April 15 (hope you American's paid your taxes!!  )  The events at Redcliffe take a week.  Then a month to the Circle.  May 21.  A week in the Circle.  Happy Memorial Day, everyone!!!  It's now May 28.  Lothering is destroyed.  Thus, DA2 starts.  It takes Hawke a month to get from Lothering to Kirkwall.

A month back to Redcliffe, Connor saved (yay).  Hawke gets to Kirkwall.  June 28.  He spends 3 days waiting for Gamlen, then starts his year of servitude.  Happy July 1.  A month to Haven.  Spend a week there (and kill Leliana - yes, you did it!!!!  ).  A month back with the ashes.  August 5.

A month to the elves, spend a week there, kill Zathrien.  September 12.  A month to Orzamar.  Three weeks there. Crown someone king.  Happy Halloween, today is October 31.

2 weeks to Redcliffe, 2 weeks to Denerim, a week there, Ferelden has a new king.  December 7. 

A week to Redcliffe, 1 night there, a week back to Denerim.  Spend 2 days fighting the DS and the Archdemon.  Merry Christmas.  On New Years Eve, we crown the ruler, and the Hero of Ferelden bows to the Crowd.

July 1, 9:31 Dragon, Hawke ends his year of servitude.

June 1, 9:31 Dragon, The Warden Commander arrives at Vigil's Keep to find it attacked by Darkspawn, meeting a runaway mage named Anders.  In the course of, lets say a month in Amaranthine, he also meets a spirit of Justice, inhabiting the body of a dead Grey Warden now.  June 25, 9:31 Dragon, The Warden defends Amaranthine, having left Anders and Justice behind to defend a fully upgraded Vigil's Keep (along with Nathaniel, what the hell)  July 1, 9:31 Dragon, The Warden Commander kills the Mother.

Thus, we have Anders faking his death on June 25, 9:31 Dragon.  Let's say it only take him 2 weeks to get to Kirkwall, and another 2 weeks to establish himself in Darktown as a healer (remember, it took Hawke a month to get to Kirkwall). 

It's now July 25, 9:31 Dragon.  Hawke has been done with his year of servitude for a month already.  And yet he can hear about Anders almost immediately - in other words, before Anders arrives. 

And I think I've been generous with the timeline in the early going.   Lothering could have been destroyed earlier, meaning Hawke finishes up even earlier.  And Awakening could have taken longer than 1 month.  I'd actually say 2 is more realistic, given what I was giving for travel time in Origins.  So Anders could have gotten to Kirkwall even a month later.

[Deztyn]

So TJ, in your timeline when did the EVIL Warden Commander DOOM the world by stealing Ser Pounce-A-Lot?

Modifié par Deztyn, 15 avril 2011 - 03:03 .

[MCPOWill]

TJPags wrote...

So, Origins ends December 31, 9:30 Dragon.  1 year.

Ironically enough, December 31 (2009 not 9:30 lets not be silly) at around 11pm I finished Dragon Age: Origins. 

Well whatever the case I think we can deduce that we can fit the events in both DAO, DAA, and DA2 together in some coherent fashion. Lets just be glad the creative forces aren't anywhere near the evil that is Nintendo when it comes to timelines (I am looking at you Legend of Zelda!)

[The Angry One]

MCPOWill wrote...

TJPags wrote...

So, Origins ends December 31, 9:30 Dragon.  1 year.

Ironically enough, December 31 (2009 not 9:30 lets not be silly) at around 11pm I finished Dragon Age: Origins. 

Well whatever the case I think we can deduce that we can fit the events in both DAO, DAA, and DA2 together in some coherent fashion. Lets just be glad the creative forces aren't anywhere near the evil that is Nintendo when it comes to timelines (I am looking at you Legend of Zelda!)

Well it's still better than what The Elder Scrolls did.
"Every possible outcome in the timeline happened at exactly the same moment because the giant robot made time and space it's *****!"

[tanuki]

For me timeline looks something like that:

I think it was stated somewhere in the codex that the length of the 5th
Blight was less than a year (not sure, but my feelings are that Origins
takes about 6-8 months).



Having that in mind: 



9:30 January Ostagar

          ~March - First treaty finished; Lothering destruction



          ~ May - Second treaty; Hawke arrives to Kirkwall

            (I assume they were traveling about at least one month judging by the distance)

            Couple more weeks Hawke’s year of servitude starts



     June-July - Third treaty and Landsmeet



     August(?) Battle for Denerim



9:31 February Awakening starts (8th month of Hawke’s servitude?)

Awakening takes at most is 2-3 months;



So, after the end of Awakening there is at least one month for Anders to
merge with Justice and run to Kirkwall (and his trip was shorter then
Hawke’s; Amaranthine is much closer to Kirkwall than Gwaren) He may
arrive approximately the same time Hawke’s servitude ends. I assume
Hawke and his sibling didn’t met Varric exactly right after that, surely
they’ve spent at least few weeks trying to find a new
source of income, when they heard of the Deep Roads expedition and went
to talk to Barthrand. During that time Anders may start his clinic and
become known among refugees.



That timeline wavehands Oghren's baby though, but maybe dwarves babies
are born faster than human ones, who knows? As for Oghren saying he was
on the surface 1,5 year let's just say he was probably too drunk most of
the time and didn't exactly know how many months passed.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]