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[Vicious]

His aim is to go to Kal Sharok. I'd help him out, as it may mean running into him at Kal Sharok in a future game.

The thing about Kal Sharok though, is that it is apparently nothing like Orzammar. So he may be in for a rude surprise when he gets there.

KAL SHAROK LIVES!

Modifié par Vicious, 31 mars 2011 - 03:20 .

[Knightly_BW]

Katilina wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

Well, there is no alternative quest when Harrowmont is king. You know, he might not be a great king, but he doesn't try to kill all relatives of his former rival. I think it is a little reminder, the the progressive king Bhelen comes with a price.

Well glad I apparently chose the right path back in the day then. Bhelen, while sounding like he would have opened up Orzammar to the 'surfacers', always struck me as bad. Fecked over his family just to be the one to get the crown. Given I played a human noble so I couldnt really stand the idea of destroying your own family..

If you side with Harrowmont, his name only mentioned in Varrick's gift conversation. He says his letters finally can go into Orzammar as Harrowmont shut the real world outside.

So that really make my belief on Bhelen is better than Harrowmont firm. Also Bhelen supports more equal look to Casteless and surfacer dwarves.

[ExiledMimic]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

He is a surfacer, what kind of rebellion would he ever be able to make?

Kal Sharok abandoned the caste system while in their Blight-enforced exile.  Or it's illuded to in the dwarf nobel origins in DAO.  All Harrowmont would have to do is go to them, raise some hell, and being out a few thousand dwarves who's hobbies include holding the line with their backs to the wall for over a century and still surviving.  I'd say that'd be like some guy telling Chuck Norris that you called his beard "sissy" in terms of pop culture.  So I'm told.

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm surprised you think Harrowmont is a better ruler than Bhelen. As
King, Harrowmont is willing to murder the entire population of Dust Town
if he has access to golems, and if he doesn't, he keeps the
"traditions" intact that prevent the casteless from gaining freedoms.
Bhelen's reforms are the only means by which the casteless will ever get
any measure of rights in the centuries of dwarven history.

Simple Answer
Metagaming is bad. Lol

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 31 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[TobiTobsen]

Dragon Age 3:

Mages vs. Templars

Orzammar vs. Kal Sharok.

And it's all your fault! *points in Hawkes direction*

[Forst1999]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

Well, there is no alternative quest when Harrowmont is king. You know, he might not be a great king, but he doesn't try to kill all relatives of his former rival. I think it is a little reminder, the the progressive king Bhelen comes with a price.

I'm surprised you think Harrowmont is a better ruler than Bhelen. As King, Harrowmont is willing to murder the entire population of Dust Town if he has access to golems, and if he doesn't, he keeps the "traditions" intact that prevent the casteless from gaining freedoms. Bhelen's reforms are the only means by which the casteless will ever get any measure of rights in the centuries of dwarven history.

I don't think that Harrowmont is a better ruler. A progressive king like Bhelen is just what Orzammar needs.
In regards to the Golems: Harrowmont stops giving volunteers after a short time. Bhelen gives Branka subjects - willing or not - for some time. Harrowmont's brutal surpressing of a casteless rebellion is unconnected to this.
My point was just that this quest is there to remind you that while Bhelen is a better king, he also is a ruthless murder. The type who kicks people who lie on the ground.

[Legbiter]

Killed him. Bhelen is the future, let the Harrowmonts be history.

[Mykel54]

Lord Harrowmont was nothing but an usurper, the only reason Orzammar is still standing is because of Paragon Aeducan, the throne belongs to house Aeducan and no one else.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

He is a surfacer, what kind of rebellion would he ever be able to make?

I agree. Lord Renvil Harrowmont is the last of his line, and his immediate concern seems focused on surviving assassination rather than usurping the throne. Orzammar is virtually impenetrable to the surface world even when Harrowmont becomes King and the surface retaliates against Paragon Branka's abduction of people from the surface. If they were to attack from the Deep Roads, there's an ocean of darkspawn standing between Kal Sharok and Orzammar. Between the warrior caste, the newly recruited casteless fighters, and a possible army of golems, I don't see how Kal Sharok would mount an invasion force capable of overthrowing King Bhelen.

Forst1999 wrote...

I don't think that Harrowmont is a better ruler. A progressive king like Bhelen is just what Orzammar needs.
In regards to the Golems: Harrowmont stops giving volunteers after a short time. Bhelen gives Branka subjects - willing or not - for some time. Harrowmont's brutal surpressing of a casteless rebellion is unconnected to this.
My point was just that this quest is there to remind you that while Bhelen is a better king, he also is a ruthless murder. The type who kicks people who lie on the ground.

I agree, Bhelen can be ruthless, but I think that's pretty clear when he becomes King and orders the immediate execution of Lord Harrowmont, then sends the sons of all the Harrowmont supporters to the surface to fight in the battle against the darkspawn. I'd assume his political opponents would likely be the "unwilling" volunteers for the Anvil since he also recruits the casteless to take up arms against the darkspawn in exchange for more freedoms.

[Mahtisonni]

Bhelen is ruthless, but during a liberal social revolution which Bhelen promised by abolishing the caste system, there is high chance that somebody else will attempt to hijack his revolution and he would succeed were Bhelen not so ready to butcher anybody who stands against him.

Whether or not Bhelen is right can be easily seen if this question can be anwsered.

Is Bhelen ruthless because he knows that his values will not be accepted unless he applies force, or did Bhelen adopt more liberal stance so that people would overlook his ruthless behaviour?