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[lobi]

wintermonk wrote...

Actually, I just started my fourth play-through of DA2, and I'm disappointed with the negative feedback because I suspect Bioware will go back to the standard story of "Man/Woman of humble origins must travel vast distances, with a small band of colorful companions, through varied terrains swarming with monsters whose purpose in life is to wait for me to arrive so I can kill them, all so that I may acquire some special magic thing to slay some big bad dark being threatening the world because, well, because he's big, bad and dark."

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So you like 'Two' big dark beings and no 'Specific' magic thing with repeating maps.

[Persephone]

lobi wrote...

wintermonk wrote...

Actually, I just started my fourth play-through of DA2, and I'm disappointed with the negative feedback because I suspect Bioware will go back to the standard story of "Man/Woman of humble origins must travel vast distances, with a small band of colorful companions, through varied terrains swarming with monsters whose purpose in life is to wait for me to arrive so I can kill them, all so that I may acquire some special magic thing to slay some big bad dark being threatening the world because, well, because he's big, bad and dark."

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So you like 'Two' big dark beings and no 'Specific' magic thing with repeating maps.

Point....Missing it. And is it really necessary to attack someone because they disagree?<_<

[Dragoonlordz]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too.

The reason people here have been very... vocal is because we have the most passionate fans. When we do something you like, you let us know. When we do something you dislike, you let us know, frequently loudly.

[snips]

It's good to know the loud hater/crybabies haven't turned the offices into a black and white film where people are sipping cold lattes and staring out the window at the pouring rain.

Maturity clearly is a stage in life you have yet to reach.


On a side note or tbh more to the point, very few people here have hatred for Bioware, almost (with exception of a couple threads), all negative comments refer to the most recent game DA2 not the company.  DA2 fell short for a lot of fans of your titles here when set against the quality and standards you set yourselves from past titles.

Like I said everyone here has taken the time and effort to take part, contribute some good some bad but all fans nevertheless. It's what differentiates us from the average Joe on the street.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mars 2011 - 06:20 .

[Navasha]

The only problem with DA2 is that it has to live up to Origins reputation. If DA2 was released by itself, it was an absolutely fabulous game. It just couldn't reach the epic level of game that Origins achieved because they tried too hard to make it more console friendly. Bioware... learn the lesson here. Make a great PC game and console gamers will love it too. That doesn't necessarily work in reverse. People actually do like the depth to their games.

[Hurbster]

Just rehire Brent for DA3 and just don't bullishly go down the 'streamlining route' anymore.

[Anariel Theirin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too.

The reason people here have been very... vocal is because we have the most passionate fans. When we do something you like, you let us know. When we do something you dislike, you let us know, frequently loudly.

When Fox news accused Mass Effect of being a game about sex, our fans jumped to our defense. Now that some (not all, but some) fans have problems with Dragon Age II, they are jumping to let us know. Not because they hate BioWare, actually the opposite, because they care. They want BioWare to make great games and are letting us know that they have problems with Dragon Age II. They want us to make DA2 or DLC or other future games better. Yes there are a few trolls or troublemakers who are only trying to cause trouble, but these are very few. Most people are posting to let us know they liked the game and what they liked or disliked the game and what they didn't like and they're doing it becuase they care about BioWare or Dragon Age.

Taking fan reaction (the bad and the good) and passing it on to the Dev team is a core part of my job. I would much rather have fan feedback than silence. Sure, I would rather have everyone love everything we did and do nothing but tell me how awesome I am, but lets be realistic here. Even if you take BioWare's most successful games ever (arguably Baldur's Gate II or Mass Effect 2) there will still be people who didn't like them, or elements of them they didn't like. It is like asking what is the best ice cream or pizza topping. Not everyone likes the same things.

So, yes, some people are complaining and have problems. And some people enjoyed Dragon Age II and haven't had problems. I'm still here, reading, taking the feedback (negative and positive) and making sure that their voices are heard. We do this becuase we care about what our fans and customers think almost as much as they care about what we do.


* Not a guarantee of actual love such as between a man and a really great cheeseburger.

It makes me love you guys very much to hear this incredibly respectful and hope-inspiring post!  Well said, and I'm glad to hear you guys are listening, while still understanding we're just passionate about these games.  It speaks highly of you guys, really, that your games inspire such passion!

[JohnstonMR]

nedpepper wrote...

DTKT wrote...

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I am pretty sure that TOR will fail .

you would be wrong.

MMO's are extremly tricky to launch. They typically have a 3-4 weeks window where they need to hook the player or they tend to drift off to more established franchises.

I'll keep the mindset that TOR will fail till I'm proven otherwise when it will come out. It might be amazing or it might just be a wow clone with voice acting.

Here's my take on The Old Republic.  I'm not going to buy it and I'm not going to comment on it once it's released based on the fact that I' will have never played it.  I don't like MMO's.  I just don't understand the point to them.  I hope Bioware is successful, but it's a completley different audience than ME or DA. 

I will say I'd rather they just make KOTOR 3 instead. 

This, times ten.  I don't have the $250+ to spend per year to maintain a MMO game subscription, and I hate the boring, repetitive quests more than I can possibly say.  So bleah to TOR even though I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan.  But I'd buy KoTOR in a hot second.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Now here is a question. If most of you hate bioware and won't buy anymore of their content...

Then why are you still here?

[Statulos]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too.

The reason people here have been very... vocal is because we have the most passionate fans. When we do something you like, you let us know. When we do something you dislike, you let us know, frequently loudly.

When Fox news accused Mass Effect of being a game about sex, our fans jumped to our defense. Now that some (not all, but some) fans have problems with Dragon Age II, they are jumping to let us know. Not because they hate BioWare, actually the opposite, because they care. They want BioWare to make great games and are letting us know that they have problems with Dragon Age II. They want us to make DA2 or DLC or other future games better. Yes there are a few trolls or troublemakers who are only trying to cause trouble, but these are very few. Most people are posting to let us know they liked the game and what they liked or disliked the game and what they didn't like and they're doing it becuase they care about BioWare or Dragon Age.

Taking fan reaction (the bad and the good) and passing it on to the Dev team is a core part of my job. I would much rather have fan feedback than silence. Sure, I would rather have everyone love everything we did and do nothing but tell me how awesome I am, but lets be realistic here. Even if you take BioWare's most successful games ever (arguably Baldur's Gate II or Mass Effect 2) there will still be people who didn't like them, or elements of them they didn't like. It is like asking what is the best ice cream or pizza topping. Not everyone likes the same things.

So, yes, some people are complaining and have problems. And some people enjoyed Dragon Age II and haven't had problems. I'm still here, reading, taking the feedback (negative and positive) and making sure that their voices are heard. We do this becuase we care about what our fans and customers think almost as much as they care about what we do.


* Not a guarantee of actual love such as between a man and a really great cheeseburger.

**** yeah! At last someone gets the joke! Guys, I have used your games and your work as examples of art in academic environments. I have discussed plot elements as cases where mythological narratives are employed, and even considered your RPG as a legit part of the Western storytelling tradition.

I would really have loved to insert Dragon Age 2 in all the above and I hope you guys come up with the Ultimate Plan of Doom and Evil to allow me to do so, because frankly, this time and this game does not really deserve it.

[planed scaped]

I don't and never really have loved any video game companies as a whole. Just like I don't really like any artists/bands as a whole. (well maybe 1)

I just want to have Chris Avellone's man babies. If he were a romance in DA2 I'd go gay.

Modifié par planed scaped, 30 mars 2011 - 07:54 .

[Woodstock-TC]

100% agree Chris. Well put

[scpulley]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too.

The reason people here have been very... vocal is because we have the most passionate fans. When we do something you like, you let us know. When we do something you dislike, you let us know, frequently loudly.

When Fox news accused Mass Effect of being a game about sex, our fans jumped to our defense. Now that some (not all, but some) fans have problems with Dragon Age II, they are jumping to let us know. Not because they hate BioWare, actually the opposite, because they care. They want BioWare to make great games and are letting us know that they have problems with Dragon Age II. They want us to make DA2 or DLC or other future games better. Yes there are a few trolls or troublemakers who are only trying to cause trouble, but these are very few. Most people are posting to let us know they liked the game and what they liked or disliked the game and what they didn't like and they're doing it becuase they care about BioWare or Dragon Age.

Taking fan reaction (the bad and the good) and passing it on to the Dev team is a core part of my job. I would much rather have fan feedback than silence. Sure, I would rather have everyone love everything we did and do nothing but tell me how awesome I am, but lets be realistic here. Even if you take BioWare's most successful games ever (arguably Baldur's Gate II or Mass Effect 2) there will still be people who didn't like them, or elements of them they didn't like. It is like asking what is the best ice cream or pizza topping. Not everyone likes the same things.

So, yes, some people are complaining and have problems. And some people enjoyed Dragon Age II and haven't had problems. I'm still here, reading, taking the feedback (negative and positive) and making sure that their voices are heard. We do this becuase we care about what our fans and customers think almost as much as they care about what we do.


* Not a guarantee of actual love such as between a man and a really great cheeseburger.

And THIS is why I still buy Bioware games. They may not always be very vocal, but they do actually take the time to look at the feedback and work with it. Now, which feedback they go with or the tendancy to go cut out a feature rather than fix it is niether here nor there Hopefulyl when you guys get around to DA 3 you'll take the improved gameplay in DA 2 and add a story that's as well done as DAO, doesn't have to go back to a more traditional cRPG story, but at least have the quality level so people that buy your games for good stories don't go into fits of rage all over the forums hehe.

[Maclimes]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Now that some (not all, but some) fans have problems with Dragon Age II, they are jumping to let us know. Not because they hate BioWare, actually the opposite, because they care. They want BioWare to make great games and are letting us know that they have problems with Dragon Age II. They want us to make DA2 or DLC or other future games better. 

Quoted For Truth.

I really want to like DA2 more than I do. I like it ... but I wanted to like it as much as I liked DAO. Sadly, that didn't happen. But I still have faith in Bioware to clean up the franchise, push forward, and make awesome game after awesome game.

[bluewolv1970]

I will agree with the OP...while DA II is a terrible game IMO and a huge disappointment (particularly all of the bugs in it)...I absolutely love the ME series and cannot wait for ME3...I think when being critical of Bioware games, rather than using the generic "Bioware" it is important to refer to the particular teams making the individual games...Overall Bioware is still a great game company but the DA brand needs new direction and leadership IMO

[Orion34]

I will never be upset with any person or group of people for their shortcomings/mistakes,unless they don't make a sincere effort to improve upon them. And I am pretty confident that Bioware will rebound from the shortcomings of DA2 and improve them for future installments.

No love lost here.

[Medhia Nox]

Mr. Priestly - as a harsh critic of Dragon Age 2, I sincerely appreciate everything you just wrote. If I truly did not care at all about your games, I wouldn't purchase them. I certainly wouldn't show nerd rage (it's a healthy form of expression).

As a consumer, I expect a lot out of your company. I hope you and yours can take that as the compliment it is meant to be.

+10 Faith Restorted In Bioware.

[FedericoV]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too.

The reason people here have been very... vocal is because we have the most passionate fans. When we do something you like, you let us know. When we do something you dislike, you let us know, frequently loudly.

When Fox news accused Mass Effect of being a game about sex, our fans jumped to our defense. Now that some (not all, but some) fans have problems with Dragon Age II, they are jumping to let us know. Not because they hate BioWare, actually the opposite, because they care. They want BioWare to make great games and are letting us know that they have problems with Dragon Age II. They want us to make DA2 or DLC or other future games better. Yes there are a few trolls or troublemakers who are only trying to cause trouble, but these are very few. Most people are posting to let us know they liked the game and what they liked or disliked the game and what they didn't like and they're doing it becuase they care about BioWare or Dragon Age.

Taking fan reaction (the bad and the good) and passing it on to the Dev team is a core part of my job. I would much rather have fan feedback than silence. Sure, I would rather have everyone love everything we did and do nothing but tell me how awesome I am, but lets be realistic here. Even if you take BioWare's most successful games ever (arguably Baldur's Gate II or Mass Effect 2) there will still be people who didn't like them, or elements of them they didn't like. It is like asking what is the best ice cream or pizza topping. Not everyone likes the same things.

So, yes, some people are complaining and have problems. And some people enjoyed Dragon Age II and haven't had problems. I'm still here, reading, taking the feedback (negative and positive) and making sure that their voices are heard. We do this becuase we care about what our fans and customers think almost as much as they care about what we do.


* Not a guarantee of actual love such as between a man and a really great cheeseburger.

Very nice post! Thanks! Your job is not easy... but that's the spirit of the Bioware I know and love since BG 1.

If you only take the time to develop your vision more clearly, DA2 would have been a masterpiece. While I see some of the flaws most people are talking about, I still had a great time with the game... well, at least untill the very last quest of act. 3 wich turned me off somehow.

[Rhobert]

Maclimes wrote...

Quoted For Truth.

I really want to like DA2 more than I do. I like it ... but I wanted to like it as much as I liked DAO. Sadly, that didn't happen. But I still have faith in Bioware to clean up the franchise, push forward, and make awesome game after awesome game.

Agree.

It's not so much that any of us 'hate' or are 'mad' or any other such silliness.  It's really more that we were hoping for something more than we got.  

DA2 is not a bad game.  But what's frustrating is that it feels like there is a really great game there, just under the surface, that just was not fully developed.  

No need for engine changes or graphics improvements.  Just more time and polish on the dialogue and role-playing aspects. 

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too.

The reason people here have been very... vocal is because we have the most passionate fans. When we do something you like, you let us know. When we do something you dislike, you let us know, frequently loudly.

When Fox news accused Mass Effect of being a game about sex, our fans jumped to our defense. Now that some (not all, but some) fans have problems with Dragon Age II, they are jumping to let us know. Not because they hate BioWare, actually the opposite, because they care. They want BioWare to make great games and are letting us know that they have problems with Dragon Age II. They want us to make DA2 or DLC or other future games better. Yes there are a few trolls or troublemakers who are only trying to cause trouble, but these are very few. Most people are posting to let us know they liked the game and what they liked or disliked the game and what they didn't like and they're doing it becuase they care about BioWare or Dragon Age.

Taking fan reaction (the bad and the good) and passing it on to the Dev team is a core part of my job. I would much rather have fan feedback than silence. Sure, I would rather have everyone love everything we did and do nothing but tell me how awesome I am, but lets be realistic here. Even if you take BioWare's most successful games ever (arguably Baldur's Gate II or Mass Effect 2) there will still be people who didn't like them, or elements of them they didn't like. It is like asking what is the best ice cream or pizza topping. Not everyone likes the same things.

So, yes, some people are complaining and have problems. And some people enjoyed Dragon Age II and haven't had problems. I'm still here, reading, taking the feedback (negative and positive) and making sure that their voices are heard. We do this becuase we care about what our fans and customers think almost as much as they care about what we do.


* Not a guarantee of actual love such as between a man and a really great cheeseburger.

Someone should copy this post and use it against the people who say "I HATE BIOWARE THEY DON'T CARE OR LISTEN TO US FANS WAAAAAA!"

[nightlordv]

DungeonLord wrote...

It's like leaving a relationship of many years after you realize it just won't work anymore. Something has been fundamentally broken. There is still a longing for the good old times, but also sobering knowledge that something better is out there.

I'll give ME3 a try, after the reviews are in, but I truly have no hope for any future offerings from Bioware, sad to say. That includes SWTOR - which seems to look like just another WoW clone

Old Republic does look pretty bland and unexciting. Way too cartoonish and the combat looks robotic and clunky

[Pyrate_d]

Good Bioware post. I'm not sure where the series will go from here, but at least you're reading.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Not sure if hes still reading, but might as well post my thoughts and hope he is.

I didn't necessarily hate DA2, a bit disappointed. Though I did actually like it. It seemed like you guys had some nice ideas going along. Though my main problem is that there seemed to be way to many missed opportunities with this game. Few of my main problems with DA2 were these recycled areas used constantly throughout the game, and also lack of an outside world. I know you guys are probably under time pressure from EA, but I still think you can pull off a game without using recycled maps or not expanding the Dragon Age world further. Same can be said with Mass effect but I thought that series is just absolutely brilliant when it comes to that game's universe.

Also, I didn't really understand the plot all to well. I'm not sure how much more I can add on to that. It just sort of seemed a bit mangled. Really to me what saved this game were the characters and combat. Although I think the combat can be greatly improved, I thought it was a bit better than just watching your character auto attack enemies, that to me seemed to be a bit boring in DAO. How I think the combat can be improved is to add in hit or spell combinations instead of constantly mashing one button. Adding in the auto-attack option is a plus, but when I heard that the combat was more interactive I thought Hawke would be able to add in different types of hit combos, maybe you can explore that region a little bit.

So basically, I hope you guys don't use recycled areas, improve the combat, add in better plots for the main and side quests, and expand more on the Dragon Age universe.