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[Ariella]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I still love* you too....

* Not a guarantee of actual love such as between a man and a really great cheeseburger.

If I bribe you with the promise of really great cheeseburgers you think you could send a little of that Bioware love to Chicago Wizard World this summer? I know some really good resturants to get the most heavenly cheeseburgers.

[NedPepper]

planed scaped wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...


Except that, unlike ME2 or BG2, general consensus is that DA2 is a significant disappointment. From fans and critics alike.

It's not a matter of taste like other Bioware titles and has more to do with the fact that the game is just plain sub-par.

This. Just compare the reviews.

it's not just haters or bashers, it's legitimately a lesser game. Doesn't mean people can't find it fun though.

That is still YOUR OPINION.  Spare me the grand overgeneralization.  I enjoy the game, and I find comments like these insulting to not only my intelligence, but everyone else who enjoys the game.

[Waage25]

nedpepper wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...


Except that, unlike ME2 or BG2, general consensus is that DA2 is a significant disappointment. From fans and critics alike.

It's not a matter of taste like other Bioware titles and has more to do with the fact that the game is just plain sub-par.

This. Just compare the reviews.

it's not just haters or bashers, it's legitimately a lesser game. Doesn't mean people can't find it fun though.

That is still YOUR OPINION.  Spare me the grand overgeneralization.  I enjoy the game, and I find comments like these insulting to not only my intelligence, but everyone else who enjoys the game.

So what?. Maybe you deserve to be insulted for what you like and what you think.
I like a lot of bad games, but i am never insulted when some think the game is bad becaus I know the flaws of the game and yet i can still have fun with it.

I do not need outside validation for my choices unlike some people her.

The new Golden axe is **** and still i like the game, but i can see it is a bad game.
Conan the Barbarian (not the mmo) is also a bad game and yet i like it.

Now i can accept al the flaws in those games and live with them becaus I unlike some people her do not need outside sources to tell me that i like.

[Horus Blackheart]

Alpha Protocol was a good example of a game that was relentlessly paned in the us typcaly. it had horable metacritic scores and yet it was a flawed gem that did so many things right ( framed naritive with choice and consequences that mattered ) to the estent it changed the encounters you faced your allies and foes were not hardwired choises you made also affected the combat. it was a flawed gem. just as DA2 is a flawed gem the difrence is DA2 will require alot more work to come good.

[NedPepper]

Waage25 wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...


Except that, unlike ME2 or BG2, general consensus is that DA2 is a significant disappointment. From fans and critics alike.

It's not a matter of taste like other Bioware titles and has more to do with the fact that the game is just plain sub-par.

This. Just compare the reviews.

it's not just haters or bashers, it's legitimately a lesser game. Doesn't mean people can't find it fun though.

That is still YOUR OPINION.  Spare me the grand overgeneralization.  I enjoy the game, and I find comments like these insulting to not only my intelligence, but everyone else who enjoys the game.

So what?. Maybe you deserve to be insulted for what you like and what you think.
I like a lot of bad games, but i am never insulted when some think the game is bad becaus I know the flaws of the game and yet i can still have fun with it.

I do not need outside validation for my choices unlike some people her.

The new Golden axe is **** and still i like the game, but i can see it is a bad game.
Conan the Barbarian (not the mmo) is also a bad game and yet i like it.

Now i can accept al the flaws in those games and live with them becaus I unlike some people her do not need outside sources to tell me that i like.

Fallout New Vegas is a bad game I enjoy.  Marvel Ultimate Alliance is a crappy game, yet I still played it with fanboy glee.  But it doesn't matter, because it's just my opinion.  Because I didn't enjoy Fallout: New Vegas, does that mean it's a "bad game"?   It's still YOUR OPINION.  Period.

And I don't need outside sources to dictate whether I like or dislike a game.  You know how I determine if I like a gam?.  If I sit there, play it, and say, "I'm enjoying this."  If I based my opinion of games on critics or fan response, I'd be calling Red Dead Redemption the best game ever made.  But, quite frankly, I played it for a couple days and thought, "I'm not enjoying this.  I should be.  I love Westerns.  I love the concept.  Just not feeling it."

Again, just AN OPINION.  You may want to declare DA 2 a massive failure, but that doesn't  make it a fact.  I'll even go so far as to say most of this nerdrage will fade and the game will be remembered a lot more fondly in, say, a year's time.

[Blacklash93]

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
I can understand that it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's hardly a bad game and definitely not "Bioware's weakest title to date" as some love to claim.

Sure, the Sonic game was worse.

As crummy as Metacritic may be, DA2 is far and away their lowest reviewed big game. And in comparison to its predecessor, thats especially glaring. DA2 isn't a terrible game by any stretch, but (IMO) its terribly average and for a BioWare game, pretty mediocre overall.

Pretty much this.

Most people seem to agree that DA2 could have been much better. I'd put it a notch above mediocre, but it still stands that DA2 can't compare to Bioware's other titles like Origins and ME2.

[jacobkosh]

Waage25 wrote...

So what?. Maybe you deserve to be insulted for what you like and what you think.

Jesus, are you a child? Perhaps it's time to consider becoming a more worthwhile human being.

[Blacklash93]

nedpepper wrote...

Fallout New Vegas is a bad game I enjoy.  Marvel Ultimate Alliance is a crappy game, yet I still played it with fanboy glee.  But it doesn't matter, because it's just my opinion.  Because I didn't enjoy Fallout: New Vegas, does that mean it's a "bad game"?   It's still YOUR OPINION.  Period.

And I don't need outside sources to dictate whether I like or dislike a game.  You know how I determine if I like a gam?.  If I sit there, play it, and say, "I'm enjoying this."  If I based my opinion of games on critics or fan response, I'd be calling Red Dead Redemption the best game ever made.  But, quite frankly, I played it for a couple days and thought, "I'm not enjoying this.  I should be.  I love Westerns.  I love the concept.  Just not feeling it."

Again, just AN OPINION.  You may want to declare DA 2 a massive failure, but that doesn't  make it a fact.  I'll even go so far as to say most of this nerdrage will fade and the game will be remembered a lot more fondly in, say, a year's time.

It is perfectly within you right to disagree, but the point is that the majority thinks of DA2 as a disappointment (of varying degrees).

Like I said, general consensus is that it's a lesser game.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 31 mars 2011 - 01:43 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Taking fan reaction (the bad and the good) and passing it on to the Dev team is a core part of my job. I would much rather have fan feedback than silence. Sure, I would rather have everyone love everything we did and do nothing but tell me how awesome I am, but lets be realistic here. Even if you take BioWare's most successful games ever (arguably Baldur's Gate II or Mass Effect 2) there will still be people who didn't like them, or elements of them they didn't like. It is like asking what is the best ice cream or pizza topping. Not everyone likes the same things.

Except that, unlike ME2 or BG2, general consensus is that DA2 is a significant disappointment. From fans and critics alike.

It's not a matter of taste like other Bioware titles and has more to do with the fact that the game is just plain sub-par.

It is a matter of taste. And no general consensus has been conducted. Don't link me to the trollfest that is Metacritic.

Probably the most accurate accurate consensus was a poll put on here by another user and last I checked it was a dead even split.

http://social.biowar...20/polls/16529/
Like this one I put up days ago? Seems a third dislike, and two thirds like DA2.

No. It was far more sound.

[randallman]

nedpepper wrote...

Here's my take on The Old Republic.  I'm not going to buy it and I'm not going to comment on it once it's released based on the fact that I' will have never played it.  I don't like MMO's.  I just don't understand the point to them.  I hope Bioware is successful, but it's a completley different audience than ME or DA. 

I will say I'd rather they just make KOTOR 3 instead.  Do you know how many gamers grew up on that game and want the story concluded?  Anytime I talk about video games with someone, I'll always hear "What's going on with Revan?  Where is KOTOR 3?"  I can bring up Mass Effect and Dragon Age and they zone out.  There actually is a HUGE demand for KOTOR 3.  Not sure why Bioware won't pull the trigger....

Firstly, I agree - I still have faith in Bioware!  Even if this is a trend and a harbinger of 'The End', they have enough credit in my book that I'm willing to try again.

That being said, I did my MMO time w/ EQ1... 2 years of what some might call 'a second life' with multiple level 60 chars w/ all the bells and whistles in 2000.  I guess EQ1 is still played by many and there's about 20 expansions and you can get to level 80 or something...  NEVER AGAIN!  

1)  Wife would kill me
2)  Wife would kill me...

Therefore, I agree that they should just make KOTOR 3 :-)

While TOR might be a fun MMO in a fun setting, I've found that every MMO I tried since leaving EQ (Earth and Beyond - another EA game, and SW:G) have been seriously lacking in content for the powergamer in the first 2 months and therefore have lost the majority of the powergamer fans.  Perhaps with a AAA budget in a more mature MMO-scape, this wouldn't be a problem for TOR? 

EDIT: Oh, and let's not forget All Points Bulletin... Closed down a month or two after launch?

--Randall

Modifié par randallman, 31 mars 2011 - 02:04 .

[nokori3byo]

I have been a fan of Bioware since playing the original Mass Effect on my 360 back in 2007--so I'm a relative late-comer to this party. Looking back at that far from perfect gem, it was compelling enough to steal my heart away from my previous fave, the Half-Life saga, I'll immediately pick up and play anything this company puts out because, even at their least polished, Bioware games offer an unparalleled oportunity to lose oneself in an imaginary world. Just last week, I found myself saying to a friend "You know there's a new Bioware game out when I'm taking paid leave to go home and finish the campaign."
With 8 playthroughs to its name, Mass Effect 2 is my de facto favourite game of this generation. Dragon Age Origins was good enough to help me overcome my long-standing hatred of fantasy (excluding Tolkien and the music of Donovan), so that's saying something too.
Dragon Age 2 was, in some respects, a mild disappointment, but it also showed evidence that its dev team was willing to take risks by departing from what had become Bioware formula. I applaud that and hope to see more risk-taking in the future. What I don't hope to see more of is endlessly recycled game assets.

Modifié par nokori3byo, 31 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[neppakyo]

I agree. I do not like MMO's. I tried WoW for around 15 minutes. Uninstalled and never touched it again.

Could be I just hate people.

[Mick301981]

neppakyo wrote...

I agree. I do not like MMO's. I tried WoW for around 15 minutes. Uninstalled and never touched it again.

Could be I just hate people.

Played WOW on and off for 3 years.

Finally kicked the habit over a year ago.  I came to the realization that I'm just not a social gamer. Basically
meaning

I just hate people.

heh:)

After quitting WOW, I picked up an XBox 360 and Mass Effect 2, and here I am .

Modifié par Mick301981, 31 mars 2011 - 03:04 .

[nytewind2174]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

I am pretty sure that TOR will fail.

I was going to purchase TOR untill I played DA2, if they can't manage to keep consistant with a single player why would I want a online multiplayer? 

[Ariella]

Blacklash93 wrote...


It is perfectly within you right to disagree, but the point is that the majority thinks of DA2 as a disappointment (of varying degrees).

Like I said, general consensus is that it's a lesser game.

Were is this majority of yours? Or even general concensus? I'd take anything and everything here with a grain of salt and NOT representative of the entire population that has played DA2. Nor anywhere else on the internet, and user reviews such as metacritic tend to be unscientific in the extreme. I've seen it happen where good mods on NWNVault get panned just because certain players didn't like them and tried to make it seem as if a "majority" agreed, by posting under various screen names.

Honestly, I thought the best review came out of Time magazine, which surprised me:

http://techland.time...eight-champion/

It makes some good points, and the reviewer isn't the only person I've come across who couldn't finish DAO but loved DA2. Seems to me, the less preconcived notions one had about DA2 visa vi DAO the more one enjoyed the game.

[RussMajere]

I love DA2 and I definitely still love you Bioware!  Even if you're making a MMORPG.  I hope that's a success too so you can keep making games I love!  Now... how about getting around to making  BG 3?

[Rann]

Hear, hear. Didn't care for DA2, alas, but at least with Bioware, I have every expectation, based on constant greatness otherwise, that my feedback will be taken seriously. And DA:O built up a lot of karma for them IMO -- I reckon I've worn my disk drive out playing it over and over again, trying each battle just a little differently (I feel like Benedict in Zelazny's "Amber" series :-)). Heck, I tried to replay Obsidian's NWN2 after several months of love affair with DA:O, and just couldn't do it -- superficially like DA:O, so you'd think I would, but somehow not close enough, like looking at a funhouse mirror-- but a subsequent leap into NWN:SoU/HotU and BG/BG2 was quite fun. Common thread for my faves? Bioware...

[MegWithAMouth]

I'm so glad to see a thread like this. With so many negative threads around lately, I've mostly been avoiding posting simply because it seems like there's always someone out there trying to start an argument about something. Which is silly because what it all boils down to is, some people like the game and some people don't.

I think we can all agree DA2 has it's issues. Personally, none of that bothered me and I love DA2 more than DAO, but I can respect the opinions of people who think otherwise. I also realize we're all here in the first place because we care enough about Bioware and their creations to take the time to post our thoughts/critiques/opinions. I just wish more people realized that and acted accordingly.

In any case, we all owe Evil Chris for the work he does, which must be mind numbingly frustrating at times, as well as the other devs and moderators who make the effort to read our thoughts and respond to them even though they really don't have to. They support us as much as we do them.
As the OP said, we love you Bioware! Thanks for everything you do! /blatant Bioware fangirl gush

[pwnjuicesucka]

Painiess wrote...

I don't think there would be this much constructive criticism if these guys hadn't given us the best part of two decades worth or RPG loving. Let's strike a deal - we'll go back to idolising Bioware and it's creations if Bioware promises not to produce something as mangled as DA2 again.

what? did you read this boards before DA2?  Everyone was always complaining about something then too.   Bioware has the worst worshippers anywhere.  It would be like if Christians ****ed at Jesus for turning water into wine but it wasn´t a vintage merlot

[Horus Blackheart]

Personaly I don't think that Bioware want blind devotion. Constently being told that everything you did was without flaw would get stale after a while. Thats as counterproductive as pitchfork waveing and ranting

[addu2urmanapool]

Making SWTOR (for which there is no audience) instead of KOTOR 3 (for which there is a huge audience) will be Bioware's death blow.

[neppakyo]

pwnjuicesucka wrote...

what? did you read this boards before DA2?  Everyone was always complaining about something then too.   Bioware has the worst worshippers anywhere.  It would be like if Christians ****ed at Jesus for turning water into wine but it wasn´t a vintage merlot

I blame Jesus for giving me easter eggs and seeing his shadow, making it 6 more weeks of winter.

[Talladarr]

All I have to say about this is that I still love Bioware, it's EA I hate =3

[FuseBlues]

addu2urmanapool wrote...

Making SWTOR (for which there is no audience)

Whilst I have no interest in it myself (love Star Wars, hate MMOs), I think there is a buttload of MMO playing Star Wars fans out there - who are a guaranteed audience.

Modifié par FuseBlues, 31 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[MrTijger]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

MrTijger wrote...

Hurbster wrote...

Just rehire Brent for DA3 and just don't bullishly go down the 'streamlining route' anymore.

He quit, he wasnt fired, and he quit because the job was too stressful.

Now see it's lies like that which give people the wrong idea of what happened. He quit because he didn't like the direction DA2 was going in. Proof below. 

"Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a shooter. 

Through a series of circumstances it was decided that with my not wanting to participate on Dragon Age 2 it was time to transition in a new lead to finish the Dragon Age console versions and ramp up for Dragon Age 2. I moved out of an active lead role though I stayed on for several months performing quality assurance and helping with the transition. I completed the game several times during this period and racked up the second or third highest bug totals… so, still busy but doing something quite different. 

After this was over and the content locked down I took a sabbatical. "

http://blog.brentkno...08-summer-2009/

Try reading more than just the part you WANT to hear? Read his article on why he didnt just take a sabbatical but left the industry.