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[Stensig]

I am literally out of ideas of how to beat this guy. I mean one rogue is annoying enough as it
is on NM, but a freaking BOSS ROGUE c'mon! He stealth like crazy and
if Avaline is not on 70%+ she'll get oneshottet, and to add salt to the injury
he is nearly 100% immune to every bloody CC I throw at him.

How the **** did you beat him on NM?

BTW I’m a lvl 13 mage waiting to get BM, and my party consists of Avaline,
Anders and Varic ofc.

Modifié par Stensig, 30 mars 2011 - 12:38 .

[IN1]

Stensig wrote...


I am literally out of ideas of how to beat this guy. I mean one rogue is annoying enough as it
is on NM, but a freaking BOSS ROGUE c'mon! He stealth like crazy and
if Avaline is not on 70%+ she'll get oneshottet, and to add salt to the injury
he is nearly 100% immune to every bloody CC I throw at him.

How the **** did you beat him on NM?

BTW I’m a lvl 13 mage waiting to get BM, and my party consists of Avaline,
Anders and Varic ofc.

He's not that tough. His main weakness is he's bound to his room as long as he's not actively engaging a party member. Your Varric has Stealth, I assume. What you need to do is to trigger the battle with Varric only: the rest of the party should be put on 'hold position' as far from Bartrand's room as possible (preferably, behind a closed door). Now, run with Varric into Bartrand's room and stealth. He will eventually come out of stealth and go back to his natural position. Unstealth, kite and shoot. Bartrand won't go back into Stealth as long as you are close to his natural spawn position. Don't worry, the guards won't rush in to help him -- they won't perceive you at all. He'll just try to AA you to death, and kiting him with a ranged character is really a piece of cake.

Alternatively, you may want to: (a) trigger the ambush, let Bart stealth, stealth with Varric, then run out of Bartrand's room downstairs and leave the main hall (get as far as possible); ( wait a bit, let Bart go back to his room (he must do it, if no one is in his limited perception range); © engage the ambushing guards with your whole party -- Bart won't get aggro on you, provided you are careful enough (his room is upstairs and quite isolated, so there is little chance you will provoke him). After the minions are taken care of, keep Bart unstealthed with Varric using the method I described, but now you'll have your whole party with you to shorten the battle.

[Att3r0]

he sure made me Oo being immune to petrify / horror / frozen
well wintergrasp did seem to slow him from time to time

Got Gravity ring i bet? i did it by running in the room all on hold aveline in fron and blocked the entry with gravity - that stoped Bartrand. Have dog out btw . kill of his guards , i focused landing combos on them. iF he is on rampage be sure to run away from the spot if you have dog leave dog there and rest run away , if you dont use imp stonewall on aveline after he stealths.
He did 1 shot my aveline (i think she had over 80% hp) what made me Oo but then 3 of my guys left and i just kited him - he didnt stealth afterwards - not sure if he used up his ability or was it some loop in AI that prevented him from stealthing till he hits something.

on side not gravity ring is our best friend i just did pull Xebenkeck solo thanks to it ;]

[Apathy1989]

I didn't have much trouble with him on nightmare. Killed everyone else very quickly, then killed bartred when he appeared. He is immune to petrify though which makes him tough.

I bet you are looking forward to later in game when you fight a rogue boss (on Inside Job quest), who is with ~5 other rogues. That fight makes me cry.


My nightmare run was as a 2H warrior, with anders, varric and merrill.

[SuicidalBaby]

Aveline has Shield Wall? Stonewall? Mages have Barrier? dog out? Hex of Torrment? Shield Bash/STAGGER - Chain Lightning upgraded?

I do recall landing Horror on him, but then again I never went after him at such a low level. 13? jesus you skipped alot in act 1.

[DA Trap Star]

I would wait to do that misson when your a little more experienced. I couldn't beat that sidequest till after LVL 16

[Att3r0]

eeee you need him done if you want the up for varric with rune socket ^^
i did him around 14-15 lv? started act 2 with lv 13.
i did not try to pull the fight away from there but you can probably try opening the door traping him wiht gravity ring and run away.(if you dont have stealth on varric like IN1 said the hell who does ? OO)

[GodBID]

Odd, i can't remember him being hard at all on NM, and your only level 13 how did you manage that? you must have skipped a ton of side quests.

[Phwrobel]

The decoy abilitiy is also very useful when Bartrand goes stealth. He'll always attack the decoy (the same applies to most rogues).

[shoggoth1890]

Mentioned this in one of the "dealing with rogues" threads: have your characters fight with their back to a wall. An assassin's backstab becomes weaker than a standard mob's attack when they are forced to execute it on anywhere other than your back. I used to fear assassin fights and scramble to get rid of them. Now I just laugh at their impotence.

[DA Trap Star]

Its not even Betrands stealth that makes him hard, his normal attacks do a boatload of damage and knock you back even if you're a Warrior. He's like a Juggernaut, he was a lot harder than I thought.

[jbblue05]

You have to throw the entire kitchen sink at Bartrand at once..

Petrify, shattering blow,assasinate chain reaction, bursting shot,archer's lance paralyzing prison, Despair, silence, Deep Freeze, etc.

Use your mabari if your lucky Bartrand will backstab him

[FFLB]

After clearing out his henchmen, I just had my ranged characters hold position and then had his target lead him on a chase while the others whittled him down.

[Sheonite]

Bartrand. o.o
I think I had the Sebastian bug, he was hitting me for ~300(?) with his backstab.
(Maybe not that much but it was a good 90% of my HP).

Respecced and grabbed stonewall, used every time bartrand stealthed and his hits were reduced to a slight tickle.

So, use stonewall on aveline when he goes stealth and that should really be all you have to do differently.

@ IN1

Thanks for that bit of info. Feels like so much nightmare in da2 has a much heavier focus on funneling/kiting than DAO where you could just keep up reaver aoe and CC everything to death. :3

I miss mass paralyzing giant groups of enemies in an inferno grease fire. D:

[Att3r0]

@Apathy1989 Inside Job quest was ez ^^. with "my new" strategy kiting was brought to another level!. So you can kite and avoid the subsequent weaves but what about the initial encounter? expecialy when you start via a cutscene everything starts chsing you. Well i run drop gravity ring on choke point and only let few pass and then run again !
Normaly if you just block them once ring is out you have them on you if you run for a while by the time the rest get to you ring is up again :] the bigger the map the better it is. Sometimes the rest of group will stop chasing and you can save.
Yea lame but not everyone can be 2h warrior! (and i refuse to use Fenris)

[Apathy1989]

Att3r0 wrote...

@Apathy1989 Inside Job quest was ez ^^. with "my new" strategy kiting was brought to another level!. So you can kite and avoid the subsequent weaves but what about the initial encounter? expecialy when you start via a cutscene everything starts chsing you. Well i run drop gravity ring on choke point and only let few pass and then run again !
Normaly if you just block them once ring is out you have them on you if you run for a while by the time the rest get to you ring is up again :] the bigger the map the better it is. Sometimes the rest of group will stop chasing and you can save.
Yea lame but not everyone can be 2h warrior! (and i refuse to use Fenris)

lol ok.

I did it, but died around 5 times before I managed to draw aggro and kill them off 3 at a time. Most comical death was when anders ressurected me, and as I was rising, a pair of rogues backstabbed me at the same time.

Usually problem isn't keeping myself alive, but my 3 ranged support who are much weaker.

Saying that, its all over as I finished DA2 yesterday.