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[Chromie]

rayvioletta wrote...

Julie Shepard wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

I rather not pay 15 dollars a month.

Cheapest hoby I can think of.

DA:O cost me £30 including Soldiers Peak & Prisoner of Stone DLCs, has lasted over a year now and still not bored of it. a lot less than WoW cost me in the first year even when you throw the other DLCs in. plus hobbies like reading don't cost a lot (depending on what and how many books you buy) and writing costs even less. some hobbies can even be profitable, like working on cars, radios, computers etc

Your hobbies aren't my hobbies. Reading isn't all my free time just some of it. You played Origins for over a year and enjoy I got tired of it after 14+ playthroughs great game but people all have different interests.

Still a Mass Effect MMO, no way. I'm waiting for ToR and don't wanna be the kind of people who have like 4 mmo subscriptions active at once. After 5 years of WoW i finally stopped, permenant not sure but it's been a couple of months.

[thatbwoyblu]

MMOs do nothing but ruin lives and make people depressed. Thank the Lord for the X Box 360 and its fire flame games.

[Raith Mano]

Q4Waveslr wrote...

Hate to break it to you but Bioware will not be doing an original IP MMO for at least another decade, they will not compete with their own massive budget MMO until it is dying.

As to your dislike of the Star Wars IP, it is causing you to miss one of if not Bioware's best games in KoToR.

I suggest you give it a shot, it is on a completely different level from most other Star Wars games with much of it's own lore and story

I don't get why people say that a company won't compete with themselves when it comes to making money.

Abercrombie & Fitch also owns Hollister, Sears owns K-Mart, TigerDirect.com owns CircuitCity.com, and so on and so forth. 

Why do they do this?  Because if things at one store don't appeal to someone, theres a good chance that things at a different store of a different name will.  It doesn't matter if they make their money from you playing SW:TOR or ME: Universe

Saying they're not going to compete against themselves to make money is like saying they shouldn't make Dragon Age because it competes with Mass Effect.  Yeah, Mass Effect and SW:TOR are both sci-fi games, but Mass Effect appeals to me a lot more then Star Wars, and I love me some Star Wars- its just that Mass Effect appeals to me more because of its setting and because a lot of the technology is completely possible.

Modifié par Raith Mano, 30 mars 2011 - 04:46 .

[Khayness]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

MMOs do nothing but ruin lives and make people depressed. Thank the Lord for the X Box 360 and its fire flame games.

C'mon, you can do better than that!

Where is the Emo manchild stuff and P. C. elitist bashing?

[cedgedc]

Firstly I would just like to clarify the following:

This is the Mass Effect forum, and it is indeed after playing DA and ME series that I noticed this gaping hole in the MMO genre. That said, somewhere along the road this became a discussion of 'Should they make an Mass Effect Online? I wasn't advocating an ME mmo necessarily. Do I personally feel that the world they created lends itself well to it? Sure.

But most importantly what I feel bioware has is a good sense of what makes a world realistic and what pulls players in. That is what is missing from most MMO's. There is no sense of realism. Rift for instance, advertises a 'wartorn world' (Hell they all do.) but when you play it, I mean heck it doesn't look so bad!

If this is war, where are the refugees? Where is the poverty and the misery that comes from war? Where are any of the aspects that realistically come from such a large scale conflict, besides just warriors killing stuff, and heroes parading around?

Most MMO's focus on making everything fantastical so that a player's initial reaction when they see a main city is 'Ooo! Pretty!' But after 30 mins or so, it becomes closer to 'Okay let me get what i need and get the hell outta this place.'

With Bioware games, when I find a new city it starts with an 'Ooo!' and an hour later, I'm looking into every nook and crany, going to the shadiest parts of town to see what trouble  I can stir up, etc.


Secondly with regards to the ME- MMO concept:

Again I'm not saying they should do this and not consider something else, including fresh IP for an MMO. But if they did I think people's preconceptions are narrowing their view of what could be done.

Not -every- mmo needs to be about leveling, dungeons and getting epicz. On the contrary, I think it's time for something alternative. I don't want to spend my time leveling. Levels are relatively meaningless. I want to develop my character in a more meaningful way.

The ME universe lends itself to this due to the sheer number of possibilities. But most importantly, it could provide the oportunity to explore a world (universe) that I think everyone here would like to see more of. 

ME 2 was just the tip of the iceberg. They gave us a taste of this environment and many of us wanted more. They could have had another 5 hours of quests on omega and i'd still be saying 'I want more! Screw the universe, I wanna take this place over!'

You could have an MMO that is more about exploring wonders, becoming a shady, double-dealing trader, interracting with the different races (actually player controled however!) and chilling on different worlds without knowing what can happen outside the rigid structure of even the most flexible of single player rpg's.

From a designer's perspective, it gives them the chance to take us outside the 5-10 room previews we get of the major cities, (omega, citadel, that place on illium) and bring them to life; make them real, organic, and living.

These people created the window. You can't tell me they wouldn't want to climb through it  any less than their fans do!

[cedgedc]

Raith Mano wrote...

Saying they're not going to compete against themselves to make money is like saying they shouldn't make Dragon Age because it competes with Mass Effect.  Yeah, Mass Effect and SW:TOR are both sci-fi games, but Mass Effect appeals to me a lot more then Star Wars, and I love me some Star Wars- its just that Mass Effect appeals to me more because of its setting and because a lot of the technology is completely possible.

Agreed. I think if this thread has proven anything it's that some people like MMO's, some like single player, and not all of them enjoy both.

If you don't think you'd enjoy the mmo you aren't compelled to play.

Also as an aside, Guild Wars 2 is releasing as a free to play title, folks. Good mmo's can be designed around this model if that's going to be your biggest concern.

[ScepticMatt]

I'm sure you have heard of an MMO Codenamed Titan by now (Blizzards new SciFi MMO ~2014)If not, that could be interresting after playing TOR in the meantime
Lg, Matt

[cedgedc]

ScepticMatt wrote...

I'm sure you have heard of an MMO Codenamed Titan by now (Blizzards new SciFi MMO ~2014)If not, that could be interresting after playing TOR in the meantime
Lg, Matt

New doesn't mean good of course. Sure a Sci-fi mmo would be fun, and does blizzard ever really fail to deliver on a project? Usually it's quality stuff.

That said if they release another Teen rated mmo, then it falls in the same pile as the rest and wouldn't satisfy any of the criteria i've described here.

[Tasker]

I doubt thet there will ever be an ME MMO as it would mean that Bioware would have to put back all the stuff they took out when they butchered ME2.

[thetawaves90]

cedgedc wrote...
it will never hold a candle to the interractions players share with eachother.

The insults a singer player BioWare NPC aims at me are written and intended to add to enjoyment of the game. If I screw up mid-game on the couple of MMOs I play, I get rained on by juvenile mentalities with a sticky caps-lock. I think if they were to do MMO, co-op/squad play would be the way to go, allowing you to get a better selection of your game-mates.  Generally because the most fun (enjoyable banter, stupid moments, funny times) I've had on MMOs are when my friends (online or otherwise) are playing along as well, not just a complete (usually obnoxious) stranger.

cedgedc wrote...
you seem to realise that to make a real world, it needs to be a place that is filled with corruption, senseless violence and injustice, where the good is often drowned out by darkness and the way to salvation seems all but hopless...

...A lot of gamers are still waiting for that multiplayer experience which combines the quality and immersion of a mature single player rpg, with the social integration of a massively multiplayer game. Bioware is the company that can deliver this.

True that. I may have fallen foul to MMORPGs' stigma of "FORCES OF EVIL vs FORCES OF GOOD", but the idea of different criminal gangs (as represented on Omega) or various militant factions representing different degrees of morality and motives...that would be good. An utter bear to manage and to populate with like-minded gamers, but very good.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Star Wars MMO turns out. I thought the majority of Star Wars games were a tad naff, but BW's story-driven game play made for the releases of KotOR and KotOR 2 (with the added content mod) being very fun experiences. It would be very easy for them to simply go "aaargh, evil SITH vs wooo, goodie JEDI" with this MMO, so I'm hoping they will mix it up with the varying factions present in Star Wars lore. 

Fun times! 

Modifié par thetawaves90, 30 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[esideras]

If you are asking for a Mass Effect MMO, no, just no.
Please don't rape Mass Effect.

[ADelusiveMan]

simbjv wrote...

cedgedc wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Death to the MMO!

ME would be ruined.

Who among us wouldn't enjoy that??

Those who enjoy storytelling more than the social aspect of games. I understand BW is trying to bring that to the genre in full force with TOR, but you just can't match the immersion of a story in a single player game.

MMO = fail.

All of them. For the above reason. Also MMOs sacrifice story and character development for "lets run around and gather items and use them to beat the crap out of other players!!" Games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age and Oblivion tower of MMOs for this reason.

[cedgedc]

*High fives thetawaves90*

I think I am not the only player here to burn out on the cliche fantasy style mmo catering to a bunch of 15 year olds like.. well all of them except AoC (which has it's own problems of course)

Yet I still miss the social aspects granted from an MMO when I play a single player rpg.

Don't get me wrong. I found both the Dragon Age series and Mass Effect as well to be great. The npc responsiveness is unmatched. And true enough, you always have people who really detract from the experience.

That said, I think a realistic and futuristic world is something players could get into more. Bioware sucks people in whether they want to be sucked in or not. Most people don't want to go around being all 'I shall smite ye, brigand!'

But in a sci-fi mmo, people can place themselves inside their character more easily. No old english required.

Having a game that is 18+ would also help with this, of course. (Though of course kids will get their hands on it sooner or later.)

[ADelusiveMan]

cedgedc wrote...

*High fives thetawaves90*

I think I am not the only player here to burn out on the cliche fantasy style mmo catering to a bunch of 15 year olds like.. well all of them except AoC (which has it's own problems of course)

Yet I still miss the social aspects granted from an MMO when I play a single player rpg.

Don't get me wrong. I found both the Dragon Age series and Mass Effect as well to be great. The npc responsiveness is unmatched. And true enough, you always have people who really detract from the experience.

That said, I think a realistic and futuristic world is something players could get into more. Bioware sucks people in whether they want to be sucked in or not. Most people don't want to go around being all 'I shall smite ye, brigand!'

But in a sci-fi mmo, people can place themselves inside their character more easily. No old english required.

Having a game that is 18+ would also help with this, of course. (Though of course kids will get their hands on it sooner or later.)

I will agree with you on this. But I don't think a Mass Effect MMO would be that great. For starters, because it would be PC only (like most MMOs are), Bioware would lose about half of the ME fanbase when it came to sales. Second, the plot of being a crime lord on Omega wouldn't be fun. I don't find "Lets be a crime lord on Omega and do things that have no plot connection whatsoever" very interesting. Mass Effect is driven on plot and character development. An MMO of any kind in my opinon would kill it. Aside from that,  I don't like being bothered by other players when I'm trying to enjoy a game. If I wanted to see people all over the place I'd play Fable. And even that drives me nuts.

Single Player FTW.

Modifié par ADelusiveMan, 30 mars 2011 - 06:28 .

[cedgedc]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

I will agree with you on this. But I don't think a Mass Effect MMO would be that great. For starters, because it would be PC only (like most MMOs are), Bioware would lose about half of the ME fanbase when it came to sales. Second, the plot of being a crime lord on Omega wouldn't be fun. I don't find "Lets be a crime lord on Omega and do things that have no plot connection whatsoever" very interesting. Mass Effect is driven on plot and character development. An MMO of any kind in my opinon would kill it. Aside from that,  I don't like being bothered by other players when I'm trying to enjoy a game. If I wanted to see people all over the place I'd play Fable. And even that drives me nuts.

Single Player FTW.

I would like to see the same care, and more over realism that bioware brings to a game, applied in an MMO. That is all I'm really driving at. I understand that people are warey about something being released haphazzardly that could spoil the elements of Mass Effect they cherish so much.

And believe me, I get it. I think it would be a crime to introduce some cruddy game that tarnishes the image of the others. That's why people are nervous about ME3 (as well as excited.)

But, it's the level of quality.. and the decisions of where to apply that quality that I'm saying are needed, moreso than a Mass Effect based mmo.

I do feel though, as many do that the Mass Effect universe begs further exploration. I hope that ME3 will fill that void, though if the primary conflict is taking place on earth, we'll see whether or not that's possible.

[kidbd15]

Making an ME MMO would probably ruin the franchise for me. I don't play MMO's. I believe they are a waste of time. And I'd imagine if an ME MMO were successful, BW and EA would milk the sh*t out of it, and wouldn't make any other ME game, just like Blizzard has done with Warcraft (WHERE IS MY WARCRAFT 4!?).

So... No ME MMO please. Thank you.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Do we realy need great franchise ruined by MMO?
If you want sci-fi there is Old Republic already on the way.
Geez, why cant you people stick to WOW, Guild Wars, Cabal..etc
Does no one appreciate anymore that some games should be just without multiplayer, MMO...
Mass Effect is exactly one of them.

[cedgedc]

kidbd15 wrote...

Making an ME MMO would probably ruin the franchise for me. I don't play MMO's. I believe they are a waste of time. And I'd imagine if an ME MMO were successful, BW and EA would milk the sh*t out of it, and wouldn't make any other ME game, just like Blizzard has done with Warcraft (WHERE IS MY WARCRAFT 4!?).

So... No ME MMO please. Thank you.

Well, it is in the nature of any business to milk any succesful franchise for all it's worth, really. That said:

1) WoW is a freak of nature. Not doing something for fear that it will be another WoW is not a good guideline.

2) Unlike, say, the Dragon Age series, Mass Effect was planned as a trilogy from the begining. There very likely will not be a Mass Effect 4 which just continues the story.

       -  I do believe I recall a quote from the one of the project leads mentioning something to the effect of them doing -something- with the mass effect IP after the trilogy, but they did not leave any hints as to what that could be.
You already know my vote though.

[ADelusiveMan]

cedgedc wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Making an ME MMO would probably ruin the franchise for me. I don't play MMO's. I believe they are a waste of time. And I'd imagine if an ME MMO were successful, BW and EA would milk the sh*t out of it, and wouldn't make any other ME game, just like Blizzard has done with Warcraft (WHERE IS MY WARCRAFT 4!?).

So... No ME MMO please. Thank you.

       -  I do believe I recall a quote from the one of the project leads mentioning something to the effect of them doing -something- with the mass effect IP after the trilogy, but they did not leave any hints as to what that could be.

They actually did say something - No more Shepard after ME3.

Modifié par ADelusiveMan, 30 mars 2011 - 07:47 .

[cedgedc]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Do we realy need great franchise ruined by MMO?
If you want sci-fi there is Old Republic already on the way.
Geez, why cant you people stick to WOW, Guild Wars, Cabal..etc
Does no one appreciate anymore that some games should be just without multiplayer, MMO...
Mass Effect is exactly one of them.

Not everyone is content to play either WoW or Star Wars.  I know people like star wars, but I got over that whole series, the lore, everything about jedi's and sith when I was like 15.

I understand that people like it, and that SWTOR is supposedly very different from the starwars content that preceeds it, but at the end of the day Star Wars products are highly targeted. They make one group of people crap their proverbial pants in anticipation, and another group of people roll their eyes and think 'Really? Another one?'

So saying, 'hey if you want sci-fi, play starwars!' Makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little.

And for perhaps the 10th time, I'm advocating bioware to use their own IP to make an immersive multiplayer world. Not necessarily a Mass Effect MMO.

[ADelusiveMan]

scyphozoa wrote...

 no offense to the OP or anyone else, but how do you actively play MMOs and not know about SWTOR?

I don't play MMOs...and I know about SWTOR. I love Star Wars, but there is no denying the fact the series has been pretty much dead for a while, which is unfortunate. 

[cedgedc]

ADelusiveMan wrote...

They actually did say something - No more Shepard after ME3.

Ah yes. I guess that was safe to assume when they emphasized how it would be a single, selfcontained trilogy. Which is fine by me. Yes, the story is super compelling, and i love my version of shepard, but the environments, the world are really what sell it to me.

[cedgedc]

scyphozoa wrote...

 no offense to the OP or anyone else, but how do you actively play MMOs and not know about SWTOR?

Because, and I say this with all due respect to star wars fans out there.. I don't like starwars! When someone mentions starwars I plug my ears and go 'Ahhh lalalallala!'

Well not literally. It just doesn't appeal to me. Not everyone who enjoys sci-fi likes Star Wars, just like not everyone who likes fantasy likes lord of the rings or harry potter.

Furthermore, as a rule of thumb, I don't play games that are based around movies. I know you'll tell me it's totally different, but it's still in that category for me.