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[bdcgvshujvgjvgsdjjgvsd]

A power mad blonde woman who wouldn't listen to reason who eventually went completely mad so much so that at the end even her own troops turned against her - I'm old enough to remember that over here in the UK we had something similar happening between 1979 & 1990.  

[Naughty Bear]

Female version of Hitler.

Mages = Jews.

[Xrissie]

Oh look, Godwin's law in the first post.

[Clangeddin86]

Bloody Mary?
Mary the Bloodthirst?
I'm not sure how it's translated in english.

http://en.wikipedia....ry_I_of_England

[Raiil]

Talking about the old Iron Lady, are we?


I can see it.

[brain_damage]

Somebody's mother in law?

[ImoenBaby]

Meredith reminded me of Admiral Cain from Battlestar Galactica. Both women are ruled by brutal family tragedies, and the guilt and pain turns them into harsh leaders determined to prevent these events from happening again. And in the name of this survival, they subject other people to new tragedies. I don't know if Meredith is "based" off Admiral Cain, but I find their simularities interesting.

[Kaorunandrak]

she fought like wesker from resident evil tho

[MoogleNut]

bdcgvshujvgjvgsdjjgvsd wrote...

A power mad blonde woman who wouldn't listen to reason who eventually went completely mad so much so that at the end even her own troops turned against her - I'm old enough to remember that over here in the UK we had something similar happening between 1979 & 1990.  

Shhh!
Don't mention she-who-must-not-be-named lest her legacy be rebor.....oh wait, too late

[GSSAGE7]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Female version of Hitler.

Mages = Jews.

Honestly, I thought the elves were Jews. City Elves, anyway. Dalish seem like gypsies, in my head.

[i love lamp x3]

I think the races don't really have real-life counterparts. but meredith.. let's see.. drug use has destroyed her mind and she loves the chantry and she'd probably kill a man for pulling a rabbit out of his hat for fear of demons.... omg Sarah palin?

[Lianaar]

I disagree with Meredith seeing no reason. Her predecessor was hung in the gallows and she was assigned here to make peace, order, arrest the viscount, name a new one and handle mages anyway. This caused a fertile enough ground for her increasing paranoia. She saw mages escape, kill templars at sight, turn to blood magic, become abomination. I think she was highly unimaginative. She didn't know how to respond WELL to the situation. She was certainly narrow minded, but she did see reason. The Grand Cleric managed to calm her down, and even after you opposed her in public (if you did) she talked to you, you could have convinced the templars (and indirectly Meredith) to let Alain live, despite being part of escaped apostates, despite taking part in an anti-Meredith conspiracy. You can convince her to let Orsino handle the Qunari, instead of her way, even right after she saved your life. She sees the reason in Orsino's words too, just finds them too late.

I find her paranoid, valid, self-centred, righteous, narrow-minded, but neither stupid, nor unreasonable. Let us not forget, she already proved herself to Kirkwall. There is a very important reasons for her to have the power she has.

Modifié par Lianaar, 31 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[Beerfish]

Obviously she is patterned after Martha Stewart.

[thesuperdarkone]

She was obviously based on the ardent Chantry supporters on our dear Bioware Forms.

[Kaiser Shepard]

She's obviously Siegfried from the Soul series, only with breasts.

[Curlain]

ImoenBaby wrote...

Meredith reminded me of Admiral Cain from Battlestar Galactica. Both women are ruled by brutal family tragedies, and the guilt and pain turns them into harsh leaders determined to prevent these events from happening again. And in the name of this survival, they subject other people to new tragedies. I don't know if Meredith is "based" off Admiral Cain, but I find their simularities interesting.

I would have loved for them to build up her character to be something like Admiral Cain, to bad they never gave enough time to build her up, and put all her actions down to being driven insane by the idol.  Act 3 would have been so much more compelling if there had been no idol, and instead of a ranting insane 'blackguard' villain we had at the end, they instead built on the idea of a person shaped by previous tragedies driven by what she saw as necessity to prevent far greater evil. 

[Goldens]

One of my friends calls her Hot Lips Houlihan.

[Parrk]

I've always thought that she was like an evil Hillary Clinton.

THIS IS NOT A COMMENT ON THE SEC'S POLITICAL VIEWS.

Both honestly believe that they are doing the right thing and both are and seem to be quite formidable opponents.

They share this quality where their presence seems to transcend gender. like even if you considered gender, you would ultimately conclude "She is a woman, but I can think of no man that is more fierce a competitor."

you don't see too much of that. I can think of only a couple more, Margaret Thatcher being the most obvious.


I've always been a libertarian and I would vote for Hillary with zero reservation.  She exudes strong leadership.

Modifié par Parrk, 31 mars 2011 - 07:35 .

[ImoenBaby]

Curlain wrote...

ImoenBaby wrote...

Meredith reminded me of Admiral Cain from Battlestar Galactica. Both women are ruled by brutal family tragedies, and the guilt and pain turns them into harsh leaders determined to prevent these events from happening again. And in the name of this survival, they subject other people to new tragedies. I don't know if Meredith is "based" off Admiral Cain, but I find their simularities interesting.

I would have loved for them to build up her character to be something like Admiral Cain, to bad they never gave enough time to build her up, and put all her actions down to being driven insane by the idol.  Act 3 would have been so much more compelling if there had been no idol, and instead of a ranting insane 'blackguard' villain we had at the end, they instead built on the idea of a person shaped by previous tragedies driven by what she saw as necessity to prevent far greater evil. 

Absolutely this. I rather liked how the idol snuck its way through the story, mind you (see: Chekhov's Gun - one of my favourite TV Tropes ever). Giving Meredith the idol removes at least some of her own agency, but I don't know how much - it seems to amplify negative personality traits, or maybe twist neutral or positive ones. I think something similar happens to Anders and Justice when they join. 

 

[nicethugbert]

Without the idol the story would have been just another soap opera. The idol was a perfect idea because the entire DA magic system is built on lyrium, raw magic. It's not a drug but it has parallels so addiction and control issues can be explored. I liked very much how the idol was not a focus of the story and it was a surprise that made sense. Any other game would have spent it's entire time yammering about the idol totally ruining any surprise element.

What happens now that the lyrium addicted Templars are free of the chantry? Who controls the lyrium trade? How wide spread will the use of lyrium be? What will be the general effects? Lots of interesting anges to play with in the future.

[ImoenBaby]

nicethugbert wrote...

Without the idol the story would have been just another soap opera. The idol was a perfect idea because the entire DA magic system is built on lyrium, raw magic. It's not a drug but it has parallels so addiction and control issues can be explored. I liked very much how the idol was not a focus of the story and it was a surprise that made sense. Any other game would have spent it's entire time yammering about the idol totally ruining any surprise element.

What happens now that the lyrium addicted Templars are free of the chantry? Who controls the lyrium trade? How wide spread will the use of lyrium be? What will be the general effects? Lots of interesting anges to play with in the future.

Nah, the story wouldn't be another soap opera - it would just be forced to deal with the characters on their own terms. What a fun soap opera idea though: The Mages of our Lives. Kirkwall 90210. Hah.  

But this is a fantasy world, and there's nothing wrong with using magic as a plot device. I also don't think fantasy has to resort to magic, or be frowned on for doing so. I look at story first, not genre, and I think Meredith's story is stronger without magic insanity.

Different strokes for different folks.

[TheBlackBaron]

bdcgvshujvgjvgsdjjgvsd wrote...

A power mad blonde woman who wouldn't listen to reason who eventually went completely mad so much so that at the end even her own troops turned against her - I'm old enough to remember that over here in the UK we had something similar happening between 1979 & 1990.  

Who does that make Orsino then? Gorbachev? 

[Torax]

Lianaar wrote...

I disagree with Meredith seeing no reason. Her predecessor was hung in the gallows and she was assigned here to make peace, order, arrest the viscount, name a new one and handle mages anyway. This caused a fertile enough ground for her increasing paranoia. She saw mages escape, kill templars at sight, turn to blood magic, become abomination. I think she was highly unimaginative. She didn't know how to respond WELL to the situation. She was certainly narrow minded, but she did see reason. The Grand Cleric managed to calm her down, and even after you opposed her in public (if you did) she talked to you, you could have convinced the templars (and indirectly Meredith) to let Alain live, despite being part of escaped apostates, despite taking part in an anti-Meredith conspiracy. You can convince her to let Orsino handle the Qunari, instead of her way, even right after she saved your life. She sees the reason in Orsino's words too, just finds them too late.

I find her paranoid, valid, self-centred, righteous, narrow-minded, but neither stupid, nor unreasonable. Let us not forget, she already proved herself to Kirkwall. There is a very important reasons for her to have the power she has.

All well and good. Though Sebastian and Aveline talking in Act 3 does have Sebastian saying that Elthina worries because Meredith stopped taking the Chantry's Advice. So maybe she was reasonable at some point. I think the only reason she backed off at the start of Act 3 was because it was infront of the nobles. She had to keep control lest they start more rumbling. If this was say in a private room with Elthina? I bet the conversation would have gone completely different.

[Esbatty]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

She's obviously Siegfried from the Soul series, only with breasts.

Thats - hmm, thats hot.

[nicethugbert]

ImoenBaby wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Without the idol the story would have been just another soap opera. The idol was a perfect idea because the entire DA magic system is built on lyrium, raw magic. It's not a drug but it has parallels so addiction and control issues can be explored. I liked very much how the idol was not a focus of the story and it was a surprise that made sense. Any other game would have spent it's entire time yammering about the idol totally ruining any surprise element.

What happens now that the lyrium addicted Templars are free of the chantry? Who controls the lyrium trade? How wide spread will the use of lyrium be? What will be the general effects? Lots of interesting anges to play with in the future.

Nah, the story wouldn't be another soap opera - it would just be forced to deal with the characters on their own terms. What a fun soap opera idea though: The Mages of our Lives. Kirkwall 90210. Hah.  

But this is a fantasy world, and there's nothing wrong with using magic as a plot device. I also don't think fantasy has to resort to magic, or be frowned on for doing so. I look at story first, not genre, and I think Meredith's story is stronger without magic insanity.

Different strokes for different folks.

Meredith's story can't be stronger without magic insanity because magic insanity is the point of the whole series, or the vehicle for it.  Unless, you want to say the genre is inherently weak because of magic.