nicethugbert wrote...
Meredith's story can't be stronger without magic insanity because magic insanity is the point of the whole series, or the vehicle for it. Unless, you want to say the genre is inherently weak because of magic.
Torax wrote...
All well and good. Though Sebastian and Aveline talking in Act 3 does have Sebastian saying that Elthina worries because Meredith stopped taking the Chantry's Advice. So maybe she was reasonable at some point. I think the only reason she backed off at the start of Act 3 was because it was infront of the nobles. She had to keep control lest they start more rumbling. If this was say in a private room with Elthina? I bet the conversation would have gone completely different.
nicethugbert wrote...
ImoenBaby wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
Without the idol the story would have been just another soap opera. The idol was a perfect idea because the entire DA magic system is built on lyrium, raw magic. It's not a drug but it has parallels so addiction and control issues can be explored. I liked very much how the idol was not a focus of the story and it was a surprise that made sense. Any other game would have spent it's entire time yammering about the idol totally ruining any surprise element.
What happens now that the lyrium addicted Templars are free of the chantry? Who controls the lyrium trade? How wide spread will the use of lyrium be? What will be the general effects? Lots of interesting anges to play with in the future.
Nah, the story wouldn't be another soap opera - it would just be forced to deal with the characters on their own terms. What a fun soap opera idea though: The Mages of our Lives. Kirkwall 90210. Hah.
But this is a fantasy world, and there's nothing wrong with using magic as a plot device. I also don't think fantasy has to resort to magic, or be frowned on for doing so. I look at story first, not genre, and I think Meredith's story is stronger without magic insanity.
Different strokes for different folks.
Meredith's story can't be stronger without magic insanity because magic insanity is the point of the whole series, or the vehicle for it. Unless, you want to say the genre is inherently weak because of magic.
bdcgvshujvgjvgsdjjgvsd wrote...
A power mad blonde woman who wouldn't listen to reason who eventually went completely mad so much so that at the end even her own troops turned against her - I'm old enough to remember that over here in the UK we had something similar happening between 1979 & 1990.
The Angry One wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
Meredith's story can't be stronger without magic insanity because magic insanity is the point of the whole series, or the vehicle for it. Unless, you want to say the genre is inherently weak because of magic.
I don't recall magic insanity being responsible for Loghain or Howe's actions.
ImoenBaby wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
Meredith's story can't be stronger without magic insanity because magic insanity is the point of the whole series, or the vehicle for it. Unless, you want to say the genre is inherently weak because of magic.
I don't recall magic insanity being responsible for Loghain or Howe's actions.
Indeed. I liked how you could see Loghain's life leading to the decisions he ultimately makes in Origins (at least, if you knew his backstory).
Meredith, on the otherhand, is magically warped by the idol, and I think she does things she would never otherwise do. You don't confront her because she's morally reprehensible or because she made the wrong decisions, you fight her because a magic idol turns her into a special effects extravaganza. I think you could confront her on her own terms: a woman whose personal tragedy results in many other wrongs. It would be more meaningful to confront someone over this reasoning, but you only get a taste of this near the end. Alas.
In some rpgs this wouldn't even be a battle to the death. Developed right, such a confrontation could end with you completely changing your own mind, or (less likely) you changing hers. But that's a different game, and off-topic speculation.
ImoenBaby wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
Meredith's story can't be stronger without magic insanity because magic insanity is the point of the whole series, or the vehicle for it. Unless, you want to say the genre is inherently weak because of magic.
I don't recall magic insanity being responsible for Loghain or Howe's actions.
Indeed. I liked how you could see Loghain's life leading to the decisions he ultimately makes in Origins (at least, if you knew his backstory).
Meredith, on the otherhand, is magically warped by the idol, and I think she does things she would never otherwise do. You don't confront her because she's morally reprehensible or because she made the wrong decisions, you fight her because a magic idol turns her into a special effects extravaganza. I think you could confront her on her own terms: a woman whose personal tragedy results in many other wrongs. It would be more meaningful to confront someone over this reasoning, but you only get a taste of this near the end. Alas.
In some rpgs this wouldn't even be a battle to the death. Developed right, such a confrontation could end with you completely changing your own mind, or (less likely) you changing hers. But that's a different game, and off-topic speculation.
Foolsfolly wrote...
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Scruffy agrees with what you said.
:::licks finger and slowly turns the page to Zero G Juggs magazine:::
(That means I agree 100% in Futurama references)
Torax wrote...
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The most telling part about Loghain's turning on Cailan is at Return to Ostagar. The letters from the Empress. He knew it.
TheBlackBaron wrote...
bdcgvshujvgjvgsdjjgvsd wrote...
A power mad blonde woman who wouldn't listen to reason who eventually went completely mad so much so that at the end even her own troops turned against her - I'm old enough to remember that over here in the UK we had something similar happening between 1979 & 1990.
Who does that make Orsino then? Gorbachev?
The Angry One wrote...
Loghain is an interesting character, especially if you recruit him and talk to him about his actions.
I don't agree with what he did and think his methods were ultimately self destructive but I can understand what lead up to it and see how he believed he was right.
Meredith could've been that, and does appear to go that way.. and then Soul Edge makes her evil. Come on.
The Angry One wrote...
Loghain is an interesting character, especially if you recruit him and talk to him about his actions.
I don't agree with what he did and think his methods were ultimately self destructive but I can understand what lead up to it and see how he believed he was right.
Meredith could've been that, and does appear to go that way.. and then Soul Edge makes her evil. Come on.
Naughty Bear wrote...
Female version of Hitler.
Mages = Jews.
XxDeonxX wrote...
Naughty Bear wrote...
Female version of Hitler.
Mages = Jews.
Thats the worst comparison ive ever heard in my life
thesuperdarkone wrote...
She was obviously based on the ardent Chantry supporters on our dear Bioware Forms.
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Foolsfolly wrote...
XxDeonxX wrote...
Naughty
Bear wrote...
Female version of Hitler.
Mages =
Jews.
Thats the worst comparison ive ever heard in my
life
Really?
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