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[Necroe-]

cunning is a stat that confuses me, other than for skills like coercion and combat tactics does this have any use for mages (i know it helps rogues) and beyond that, is there any point pushing it past the 16-17 you need for rank 4 coercion/tactics?

[Naelven]

Necroe- wrote...

cunning is a stat that confuses me, other than for skills like coercion and combat tactics does this have any use for mages (i know it helps rogues) and beyond that, is there any point pushing it past the 16-17 you need for rank 4 coercion/tactics?

It doesn't really help mages so much as it helps rogues that go for the Lethality talent which swaps Strength for Cunning on their damage rolls.  At least that's how I understand it.  Maybe someone else has a better idea.

[JackDresden]

I think it's mostly about dialog options but in Bioware games they can be important in giving you a lot of extra options.

[manneger]

This was discussed (on the old forum) earlier on and someone was saying that higher cunning might be needed for coercion to be succesful too. So that to pass a coercion check you might need to have the highest skill level on coercion, but also a high score on cunning.

Dont know if that is correct though, and even if it is the effect of that might not be worth it really..

I will certainly get the required cunning for highest coercion anyway, after that i dont know if i will put any more points into it.

Modifié par manneger, 29 octobre 2009 - 09:50 .

[Malanek]

Seems almost useless other than meeting requirements for skills. At least for warriors it also helps with armour penetration. I'm not intending to put points into it.

[JackDresden]

Unless your looking to take sneaky dialog options I'd agree it seems to be a stat mages won't want to pump accept for role-playing reasons.

[shertokch]

the question is do you just need a high coercion skill oder do you need many points in cunning for all the dialogue options? sadly, both possibilites are quite bad.

[NetBeansAndJava]

As Manneger said, cunning will affect persuasion checks in all coercion interactions. When you attempt to coerce someone, the game checks your skill level AND adds any bonuses granted from str. or cunning. Str. will help you intimidate and cunning will help you persuade.



A dev said that 16 pts in cunning with Rank 4 coercion will allow you to pass almost all persuade checks. So if you want to pass them all, you'll likely need 16+. ... the exact number I can't say.

[aidron]

One of the developers (Stanley, I believe) stated that there may be times in which investing in Cunning beyond what Coercion IV calls for can be beneficial.

The Cunning attribute will also be added to your Coercion skill for Persuade options (Strength for Intimidate).

Modifié par aidron, 29 octobre 2009 - 09:53 .

[GhoXen]

I like Paragon/Renegade system more for persuasive/intimidating dialogue options. Ah well, guess my warrior will threaten everyone in their faces with his 16 Con, 4 level coerce and a mountain of stacked Str.

[JamesX]

AFAIK



Coercion is applied in game as the main character's charisma ability. It is used to infulence dialogue choices. It has no mechanical value.



Combat Tactics is how many commands you can queue up for the character or something like that.

[TheSmilingDude]

Regardless, for mages it seems acceptable to invest points in cunning, or are cunning mages outlawed in DA?

[JackDresden]

TheSmilingDude wrote...

Regardless, for mages it seems acceptable to invest points in cunning, or are cunning mages outlawed in DA?

Well being as they seem to practice their fire spells in the chantry library how cunning can they be .

[NetBeansAndJava]

Why would cunning mages be outlawed? If you want to persuade and be effective at it, you'll need to invest pts in cunning. My mage will likely invest in cunning up to maybe 20 (or more, depending on how hard persuasion turns out to be). Enough to get rank 4 coercion and some extra to ensure I pass all persuade checks.

[CJohnJones]

I misread the title and thought that this was another romance thread. Move along...

[JackDresden]

CJohnJones wrote...

I misread the title and thought that this was another romance thread. Move along...

[themightybob2000]

Will persuade be possible if points are added to cunning to get the coerce level then points are removed from cunning using the pc bug?

[Dragoon001]

I think so but if you are willing to cheat why not save the hassle and give yourself free cunning points?

[Damar Stiehl]

I've never encountered a situation where Cunning higher than 16 was required. With Cunning at 16 and Coercion at 4 I bluffed, lied and cheated my way through every dialog-driven check.



Protip (Maker, I hate that word): if you play with "No Starting Abilities" mod, set your Cunning to 14 and pick up 2-3 levels of Coercion straight away. Persuade checks happen all the time, and it's nice being able to pass them. I don't consider it cheating because the sum total of points you get remains the same. And I play it off in my character's backstory - for example, my Mage was a bit of a slacker during his Tower days and skipped/slept through the alchemy classes... but finding creative excuses for his slackery gave him quite the knack for persuading people around him.

[RodentofDoom]

I raised Cunning high enough to access the L4 tactic skill (16 or 18), and had no points in coertion .. I was still able to pass several Persuade checks in dialogues, but not all of them.



Oddly when I replayed using a rogue, with coertion trained and a higher Cunning stat, I failed several of the persuade's that my mage passed ....

[Myusha]

Year Old Topic.

[RodentofDoom]

Myusha wrote...

Year Old Topic.

Not everyone bought it a year ago ......